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Postby Thuzbekistan » Fri May 25, 2018 4:35 pm

Dormill and Stiura wrote:
Keomora wrote:So Noronica controlled the northern canal back then? Sweet Keomoran vs Noronica action on land.

I'm not sure if he did exactly, but with Altera not far away from the Northern Argus Canal, it may as well be under his control.

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Postby Covonant » Fri May 25, 2018 4:49 pm

Just for clarification the south Argus canal was under Covonantian control as it was the Covonantians that built it. This history has been established and agreed between both Wellsia and I.
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Postby Linaviar » Fri May 25, 2018 6:38 pm

Alright, time that I join in on this, a little background on my nation at the time.

During the early 1900s the Linavian Empire would have still been licking its wounds from the 1882 war (currently Anglo-Linavian, might replace the Brits with AM though, more TGs to send...) and the loss of Xrevaro (with some revanchist sentiment present at the time), but the central government would also be taking advantage of the reduced territory to consolidate power into a more federal structure from the prior confederate one; this internal politicking and reorganization combined with some internal strife from the influx of xrevaro-linavians and the resulting refugees (most heading to Ter Natiour) would prevent the nation from seeking to act upon the revanchist attitudes, giving time for anti-imperial sentiment to rise up and for the political power of those with more imperial outlooks to be diminished. Enter the 1920s - a new grand chief, ñuli, is in control, one with more democratic leanings and who is well in tune with the popular anti-imperial sentiment. With the World Imperialism Conference occurring on the world stage, ñuli would seek to have Linaviar present to push for the moratorium and decolonization to score political points back home, declaw revanchist elements, and hopefully encourage some international stability to reduce the risk of the next move - the disbanding of the Linavian Empire in 1923 to pave the way for a republic.

While this disbanding would leave Linaviar without a central executive power, many of the bureaucratic institutions would continue to function, albeit in a ramshackle manner, for the next fifteen years while chiefs, visionaries, politicians, and others try, and fail, to hammer out a constitution which will serve as the basis for a unified government - certain aspects of social order also suffer during this time period, and while the conflicts never grow too large, a second, smaller wave of refugees take leave during this time period. Circumstances eventually force the creation of the republic via the ratification of a workable, if somewhat contentious at the time, constitution as a particularly ferocious ďǧrn uprising makes clear the need for a decisive executive action and national unity. The constitution of the Republic of Linaviar is signed and ratified in the spring of 1938, and a government is instituted later that summer.

A consequence of the interregnum the national military found itself in a state of profound weakness - the army, navy, and air force were all laughably obsolete, not having received equipment upgrades since the disbanding of the empire, and as such would have a vested interest in the adoption of the naval treaty; Linavian interest in submarine warfare would also grow during this time, and investment into a strong sub force would become a cornerstone of prewar naval investment. And while the army would be stuck with old guns and vehicles, interregnum conflicts and the counter-insurgency campaign against the ďǧrn would leave a number of battle-proven veterans with experience in asymmetric and jungle warfare forming the core of the armed forces. Such is how the stage would be set for my nation on the eve of the Imperial War.


TLDR: a number of political reorganizations including over a decade without a legitimate government occur during this time that leads to an outdated but battle-proven army, a dilapidated navy, and an air force in tatters on the dawn of IW1. Linaviar would seek to support both the moratorium on colonization and the naval treaty, as the Linavian Empire and the Republic of Linaviar respectively.

My nation will probably be an absolutely horrific battle site, as an RMB conversation a while back detailed, with my nation serving as the location of some brutal jungle and mountain-jungle warfare. Will be fighting with the Free Powers.

Any issues with this?

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Postby Athara Magarat » Fri May 25, 2018 7:36 pm

Linaviar - so I have TGs incoming?
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Postby Miklania » Fri May 25, 2018 8:14 pm

Glad to see you here Lin. That plan sounds excellent.

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Postby Verdon » Sun May 27, 2018 5:39 pm

Keomora wrote:So Noronica controlled the northern canal back then? Sweet Keomoran vs Noronica action on land.

We need to have a conversation about the Canal and I.D. npcs. There isn't any canon for either of them besides the past two years. I.D. is heavily policed by Van still, need to talk to him about it. They might both be important locales to this colab. For now, I would avoid assuming any history or control for either.

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Postby Noronica » Mon May 28, 2018 3:48 am

Miklania wrote:If people would post their intention to participate in the naval treaty and their motivations while there, I could start working on the master factbook.

Noronica would have been there to ensure that its navy wasn't reduced and that its ships set the precedent for the details of the treaty. As you might imagine from that sentence, Noronica is going to be extremely arrogant in the negotiations of the treaty and will attempt to curtail aspiring nations and their fleets from becoming too powerful.
Dormill and Stiura wrote:May as well finally write something for this, since what happens in the Imperial War will impact my history from that point forward. As of now, I have the following for background:

Following the Canal War and the 1909 Revolution, the United Republics experienced a deep economic depression as the cost of building and maintaining its empire caught up with the nation, with both the North and South Argus Canals firmly in the hands of apathetic and unfriendly states, Dormill and Stiura's only source of reliable trade came from the Southern Sea which was (at least I assume for the time-being) growing ever more unstable and falling further from the control of Ile-de-Avillon and deeper into the hands of rival. Hugo Sonner was elected in 1919 with promises of reasserting the position of Dormill and Stiura in the Southern Sea and ending the depression that began to take root. Ostensibly, he was successful in reversing most of the impacts of the depression by introducing new policies both at home and in the remains of the empire (mostly involving massive deregulation in certain industries while tightening control over the budget to generate an excessive surplus). However, it was revealed in 1935 by a private investigation that not only did Sonner rig both the 1919 and 1929 elections in his favor but additionally was embezzling a significant portion of the government's surplus; these would lead to his impeachment where he would be found guilty in a year later. The entire Sonner Administration was implicated in the impeachment and everybody excluding Othmar Geary, the Minister of the Interior who was appointed after Sonner's reelection. Geary was now left with a nation that was dividing quickly between its distinct ethnic and cultural lines, threatening a deadly Civil War if nothing was done to stop it.


Now I am left with two options to go from here, one will lead me to join the Neo-Imperialists and try to bring down Noro's Empire (leading to a division of D&S for a period of time between various states in new spheres of influence); while the other option sees D&S join the Free Powers as a secondary partner to avoid being caught in the crossfire and to save the Dormill-Stiuraian Empire by being on the winning side of the war. I'll describe the options below in greater depth:

In 1939, the Presidential Elections saw a nationalist upstart beat Othmar Geary with promises to legally continue Sonner's work and eventually assert Dormill-Stiuraian dominance once again. The United Republics refuses to be party to the Rickemonde Accords on Imperialism and the Nolon City Naval Treaty, citing that both does nothing to limit current empires while hampering any other nation from acting freely. These actions and the contentious election beforehand caused a fracturing in the national fabric, luckily not between Dormillian and Stiuraian, but rather between the supporters of the quasi-dictator and those who opposed him. Soon, even tensions within the National Congress began to reach a boiling point as the President began to push for discriminatory legislation that would permanently divide Dormill-Stiuraian society into castes, where the pure French Dormillians would stand above the remainder of the nation as the nobility while every other citizen, most especially those of mixed origins, were to be deemed as "impure monsters". The Republics of Lieurneux, which had always been the racist bastion of "High French Culture", and Avillon, which saw the movement of Kaelectians across their borders as dangerous, stood behind the legislation while the remainder of the Republics stood against it. This resulted in the Council becoming splintered as all of the Republics fought over who would represent them. The Forum was little better while facing a similar situation. Eventually, the United Republics broke down as various Republics began the process to secede from the Union, eventually leaving Lieurneux and Avillon alone as the remaining Republics got their bearings as new nations, leaving the door open to invasion by the Francophiles. By the time of 1941, all but the former territories in Samudera were conquered by the United Republics, with its leader being declared President-for-Life shortly before the outbreak of the Imperial War where they would join the Neo-Imperialists and begin a large fight against Noronica. However, constant resistance made the war impossible to fight for the United Republics and the "President" was killed by revolutionaries. Following this, the United Republics was divided with the intention of avoiding reunification. The Union of New Dijon formed over what remained of the Dormillian Republics as a Unitary Parliamentary Republic, binding the three branches of government together in a purpose-built Parliament to keep that power from being too concentrated for too long. The Republic of Kapolder was annexed by Noronica as part of its "extended Gaeltic realms", the cities would gain independence at the formation of the Noronnican Republic as independent city-states. New Friesland and Stiura restored the Stiuraian Republic while Kaelectia reformed its prior government as a constituent to the United Republics to a fully national one. Orsland and the Samuderan Territories were additionally granted independence (or placed under a post-war Mandate, the choice is on Orsandia, Samudera, and whoever desires to maintain the mandate) and soon joined with their modern states. After a war between the New Dijon Union and the Stiuraian Republic in the 60s, the states began to consider a reunion, but the concept was quickly shut down by the international community. (After the formation of the Central Gael Community, the former Dormill-Stiuraian states gradually joined, utilizing the functions of the community to attempt a reunion.) Eventually, after much work, the United Republics was restored with the 1995 Constitution in commemoration of the 200th year of the foundation of the original United Republics.


Othmar Geary won the 1939 election as intended, fighting for the unity of the people of Dormill and Stiura and a return to the core of what made the United Republics a nation, with leading statements being "Unity through Diversity", "In Knowledge Follows Victory", and so on. Though the people remained mostly united, some radicals believed that this would only hasten the death of the United Republics as a nation relevant to the international stage, and thus began to fight on every level in every manner to crush the nation at its core. These efforts would manifest themselves in the future as the National People's Party, the Stiuraian Insurgency, the Kaelectian Insurgency, even the Aurian Troubles, however, the impacts felt by these forces were sporadic enough to keep the nation together through the Imperial War, where the United Republics set aside their grievances against Noronica to halt the Neo-Imperialists. History from then on remains unchanged from the current history written.


Which of these I should go with I don't entirely know but I wanted to leave these here and open a discussion on which I could go down and how that impacts the Imperial War.

I for one think it would be best to go for the Empire of the Talon route as I feel that there will be a lot of people joining the Free Powers. It would also serve as an interesting dynamic for Arván which could be fought over between you and I. I also love the idea of a resistance in the Imperial War as that could allow for some covert RP.
Keomora wrote:So Noronica controlled the northern canal back then? Sweet Keomoran vs Noronica action on land.

As Verdon said, it might be tricky to discuss the canals without Van's assent. Right now however, I think it would be nice to see some naval battles on the bit of sea between you and the canal. Perhaps Keomora could move through the canal, (therefore minimising its usage and not involving it that much) where there could be a Gael-based landfight.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon May 28, 2018 3:42 pm

Noronica wrote:
Dormill and Stiura wrote:May as well finally write something for this, since what happens in the Imperial War will impact my history from that point forward. As of now, I have the following for background:

Following the Canal War and the 1909 Revolution, the United Republics experienced a deep economic depression as the cost of building and maintaining its empire caught up with the nation, with both the North and South Argus Canals firmly in the hands of apathetic and unfriendly states, Dormill and Stiura's only source of reliable trade came from the Southern Sea which was (at least I assume for the time-being) growing ever more unstable and falling further from the control of Ile-de-Avillon and deeper into the hands of rival. Hugo Sonner was elected in 1919 with promises of reasserting the position of Dormill and Stiura in the Southern Sea and ending the depression that began to take root. Ostensibly, he was successful in reversing most of the impacts of the depression by introducing new policies both at home and in the remains of the empire (mostly involving massive deregulation in certain industries while tightening control over the budget to generate an excessive surplus). However, it was revealed in 1935 by a private investigation that not only did Sonner rig both the 1919 and 1929 elections in his favor but additionally was embezzling a significant portion of the government's surplus; these would lead to his impeachment where he would be found guilty in a year later. The entire Sonner Administration was implicated in the impeachment and everybody excluding Othmar Geary, the Minister of the Interior who was appointed after Sonner's reelection. Geary was now left with a nation that was dividing quickly between its distinct ethnic and cultural lines, threatening a deadly Civil War if nothing was done to stop it.


Now I am left with two options to go from here, one will lead me to join the Neo-Imperialists and try to bring down Noro's Empire (leading to a division of D&S for a period of time between various states in new spheres of influence); while the other option sees D&S join the Free Powers as a secondary partner to avoid being caught in the crossfire and to save the Dormill-Stiuraian Empire by being on the winning side of the war. I'll describe the options below in greater depth:

In 1939, the Presidential Elections saw a nationalist upstart beat Othmar Geary with promises to legally continue Sonner's work and eventually assert Dormill-Stiuraian dominance once again. The United Republics refuses to be party to the Rickemonde Accords on Imperialism and the Nolon City Naval Treaty, citing that both does nothing to limit current empires while hampering any other nation from acting freely. These actions and the contentious election beforehand caused a fracturing in the national fabric, luckily not between Dormillian and Stiuraian, but rather between the supporters of the quasi-dictator and those who opposed him. Soon, even tensions within the National Congress began to reach a boiling point as the President began to push for discriminatory legislation that would permanently divide Dormill-Stiuraian society into castes, where the pure French Dormillians would stand above the remainder of the nation as the nobility while every other citizen, most especially those of mixed origins, were to be deemed as "impure monsters". The Republics of Lieurneux, which had always been the racist bastion of "High French Culture", and Avillon, which saw the movement of Kaelectians across their borders as dangerous, stood behind the legislation while the remainder of the Republics stood against it. This resulted in the Council becoming splintered as all of the Republics fought over who would represent them. The Forum was little better while facing a similar situation. Eventually, the United Republics broke down as various Republics began the process to secede from the Union, eventually leaving Lieurneux and Avillon alone as the remaining Republics got their bearings as new nations, leaving the door open to invasion by the Francophiles. By the time of 1941, all but the former territories in Samudera were conquered by the United Republics, with its leader being declared President-for-Life shortly before the outbreak of the Imperial War where they would join the Neo-Imperialists and begin a large fight against Noronica. However, constant resistance made the war impossible to fight for the United Republics and the "President" was killed by revolutionaries. Following this, the United Republics was divided with the intention of avoiding reunification. The Union of New Dijon formed over what remained of the Dormillian Republics as a Unitary Parliamentary Republic, binding the three branches of government together in a purpose-built Parliament to keep that power from being too concentrated for too long. The Republic of Kapolder was annexed by Noronica as part of its "extended Gaeltic realms", the cities would gain independence at the formation of the Noronnican Republic as independent city-states. New Friesland and Stiura restored the Stiuraian Republic while Kaelectia reformed its prior government as a constituent to the United Republics to a fully national one. Orsland and the Samuderan Territories were additionally granted independence (or placed under a post-war Mandate, the choice is on Orsandia, Samudera, and whoever desires to maintain the mandate) and soon joined with their modern states. After a war between the New Dijon Union and the Stiuraian Republic in the 60s, the states began to consider a reunion, but the concept was quickly shut down by the international community. (After the formation of the Central Gael Community, the former Dormill-Stiuraian states gradually joined, utilizing the functions of the community to attempt a reunion.) Eventually, after much work, the United Republics was restored with the 1995 Constitution in commemoration of the 200th year of the foundation of the original United Republics.


Othmar Geary won the 1939 election as intended, fighting for the unity of the people of Dormill and Stiura and a return to the core of what made the United Republics a nation, with leading statements being "Unity through Diversity", "In Knowledge Follows Victory", and so on. Though the people remained mostly united, some radicals believed that this would only hasten the death of the United Republics as a nation relevant to the international stage, and thus began to fight on every level in every manner to crush the nation at its core. These efforts would manifest themselves in the future as the National People's Party, the Stiuraian Insurgency, the Kaelectian Insurgency, even the Aurian Troubles, however, the impacts felt by these forces were sporadic enough to keep the nation together through the Imperial War, where the United Republics set aside their grievances against Noronica to halt the Neo-Imperialists. History from then on remains unchanged from the current history written.


Which of these I should go with I don't entirely know but I wanted to leave these here and open a discussion on which I could go down and how that impacts the Imperial War.

I for one think it would be best to go for the Empire of the Talon route as I feel that there will be a lot of people joining the Free Powers. It would also serve as an interesting dynamic for Arván which could be fought over between you and I. I also love the idea of a resistance in the Imperial War as that could allow for some covert RP.

The thing I'm most apprehensive about is how it impacts my standing in the international arena. But considering that in either case I go with I wind up as a more irrelevant player than before going into the Imperial War, it might be more fun to be on the "evil" side of the war.
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Wed May 30, 2018 4:42 pm

Miklania wrote:If people would post their intention to participate in the naval treaty and their motivations while there, I could start working on the master factbook.

(A bit late)

The Ilse would attend, and would probably support stricter measures, as the Ilsan navy would have been mothballed, especially with the extremely decentralised nature of the government. The Ilse would pursue all manner of restrictions that did not cut into their own fleet (which was modest by the standards of the Great Powers, but will probably be equivalent to about half the Italian navy).
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Postby Miklania » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:15 pm

Alright, I'll start writing up a few paragraphs about the naval treaty.

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Postby Miklania » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:07 am

I finally got around to writing up the history of the Nolan City Treaty. Check it out here, the new IW Master Factbook.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1048932

If there are any inaccuracies in the description of your nation, or you are grossly displeased with their allowances, please let me know.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:25 pm

Miklania wrote:I finally got around to writing up the history of the Nolan City Treaty. Check it out here, the new IW Master Factbook.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1048932

If there are any inaccuracies in the description of your nation, or you are grossly displeased with their allowances, please let me know.

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Postby Miklania » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:58 am

Since that's worked out it would be great if all the people who would be at the Rikemonde Accords to post what their country's positions would be. Covonant is going to start writing that one once he gets back from his conference.

That's the thing where imperialism gets banned, in case anyone missed that.
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On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Verona Beach » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:11 pm

I'd like to get involved as I was essentially a dominion at this time with my own military. How's it looking for me?
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Postby Corindia » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:16 pm

Miklania wrote:Since that's worked out it would be great if all the people who would be at the Rikemonde Accords to post what their country's positions would be. Covonant is going to start writing that one once he gets back from his conference.

That's the thing where imperialism gets banned, in case anyone missed that.

Corindia would be highly anti-imperialism at this time. This was back when Corindia was optimistic about communism liberating the people of the world of course.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:21 am

Just here to say that when the Nolon City Naval Arms Limitations Treaty was signed, what you know as "AM" (Kaski island) was a Noronican colony named Magarati Dominion.

When the Empire of Magarat is established 6 years later, the Magaratis would be balatantly ignoring the naval arms limitations like "we didn't sign it" or "it's Noronnican-Miklanian ploy to stop us", etc.
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Postby Domanania » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:54 pm

Domanania would be Anti-Imperialist, seeing it as a threat to its sovereignty based on their history
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Postby Negarakita » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:32 am

Verona Beach wrote:I'd like to get involved as I was essentially a dominion at this time with my own military. How's it looking for me?

You can't join in the fun sorry. I'm in the same boat.
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Postby Miklania » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:09 am

Noronica is working on the preliminary anti-imperialism conference. It would be great if people here could start thinking of and posting the details for their nations in the early 1940s. Things like population, GDP, economic development, and political situation. Research what countries around the real world at this time were like.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:10 am

Miklania wrote:Noronica is working on the preliminary anti-imperialism conference. It would be great if people here could start thinking of and posting the details for their nations in the early 1940s. Things like population, GDP, economic development, and political situation. Research what countries around the real world at this time were like.

Why would we need any of that? Are we going to build 1940s militaries to use?
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Postby Alteran Republics » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:29 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Miklania wrote:Noronica is working on the preliminary anti-imperialism conference. It would be great if people here could start thinking of and posting the details for their nations in the early 1940s. Things like population, GDP, economic development, and political situation. Research what countries around the real world at this time were like.

Why would we need any of that? Are we going to build 1940s militaries to use?

Dibs on the sentinel tank (though would likely be used by Noronica too).

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Postby Corindia » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:19 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Miklania wrote:Noronica is working on the preliminary anti-imperialism conference. It would be great if people here could start thinking of and posting the details for their nations in the early 1940s. Things like population, GDP, economic development, and political situation. Research what countries around the real world at this time were like.

Why would we need any of that? Are we going to build 1940s militaries to use?

I've actually been doing that

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Ex-Nation

Postby Thuzbekistan » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:58 pm

Corindia wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Why would we need any of that? Are we going to build 1940s militaries to use?

I've actually been doing that

You may have, but no one else has.
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