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A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]

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Postby Covonant » Mon May 07, 2018 8:17 pm

Could Covonant fit in that role??

Covonant would have its presence on East Charbagnia at that time and would be looking for a market to sell its masses produced items to and in that process develop some industry in Corindia. Perhaps could make you somewhat the South Korea of the region just one small problem is the Spanish language. That language as no connection or historical linkages to Covonant. If you are willing we pull discuss something with tying our history. To note if any connection would be add you’d be apart of the Overseas Protectorate as Covonant did not view herself a colonial or imperial power but viewed her presence and participation on the regional stage as a good to protect and safeguard states from being colonized by what the country termed the “old powers” which were Noronica, and the Magarati Colonial Realm.

Also Mik I am in full support of the moratorium being held in Covonant.
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Postby Corindia » Mon May 07, 2018 8:35 pm

Covonant wrote:Could Covonant fit in that role??

Covonant would have its presence on East Charbagnia at that time and would be looking for a market to sell its masses produced items to and in that process develop some industry in Corindia. Perhaps could make you somewhat the South Korea of the region just one small problem is the Spanish language. That language as no connection or historical linkages to Covonant. If you are willing we pull discuss something with tying our history. To note if any connection would be add you’d be apart of the Overseas Protectorate as Covonant did not view herself a colonial or imperial power but viewed her presence and participation on the regional stage as a good to protect and safeguard states from being colonized by what the country termed the “old powers” which were Noronica, and the Magarati Colonial Realm.

Also Mik I am in full support of the moratorium being held in Covonant.

I wouldn't want to go as far as being explicitly labeled a protectorate, but an informal arrangement of sorts could be reached. We could even push your leasing of that base on Flores back by 70 years or so.

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Postby Miklania » Wed May 09, 2018 6:47 pm

So the conference shall be held in Covonant. Cov, do you have any particular place you'd like to host it? A nice high class retreat town or something like that?

I'm also going to talk to Verdon about the technical implications of a region wide empire moratorium.
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Postby Covonant » Wed May 09, 2018 7:21 pm

Rikemonde, Sharoni is the best place during that time to host the event. It around that time would be a quiet town situated almost in the middle of the country and would be the go to area for derby, garden events, and a time for relaxing away from the major cities.
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Postby Verdon » Tue May 15, 2018 9:29 am

Miklania wrote:So the conference shall be held in Covonant. Cov, do you have any particular place you'd like to host it? A nice high class retreat town or something like that?

I'm also going to talk to Verdon about the technical implications of a region wide empire moratorium.

I heard my name.

Also, Verdon would be one of the first signatories on the moratorium, considering it follows a decade of warfare on the back-heel. It would've been seen as a very popular move by the general public as it implies an incorrect sense of 'no more fighting on foreign soil'.

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Postby Miklania » Wed May 16, 2018 12:30 pm

Excellent. So we shall have the World Imperialism Conference in Covonant, which will lead to the Rickemonde Accords, prohibiting new colonization, and making vague promises to visit the issue of decolonization at some indefinite future date.

With the implicit understanding, of course, being that the issue won't be seriously brought up unless it suddenly becomes convenient for the empires involved.
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On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

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Postby Negarakita » Mon May 21, 2018 12:56 am

Has there been a decision on how me, being part of France, will work for this conflict?
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Postby Miklania » Tue May 22, 2018 1:28 pm

Negarakita wrote:Has there been a decision on how me, being part of France, will work for this conflict?

So far that has not been discussed, but I would strongly prefer to not have any real life countries involved in any way.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Negarakita » Tue May 22, 2018 2:13 pm

Miklania wrote:
Negarakita wrote:Has there been a decision on how me, being part of France, will work for this conflict?

So far that has not been discussed, but I would strongly prefer to not have any real life countries involved in any way.

Why? It's not like it changes anything. And I'm not gonna let myself be kicked from a huge historical event because I want the French language
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Tue May 22, 2018 3:24 pm

Negarakita wrote:
Miklania wrote:So far that has not been discussed, but I would strongly prefer to not have any real life countries involved in any way.

Why? It's not like it changes anything. And I'm not gonna let myself be kicked from a huge historical event because I want the French language

The point of this is to replace ww2 in the region, but your point is a valid one. For this to be truly effective, drastic changes would need to be made to the map system, I think. There are a lot of logical issues with the way the map system works now. I think those issues will be the primary inhibitor to IW's ability to replace WW2
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Postby Miklania » Tue May 22, 2018 5:07 pm

It does change things, because France would be involved. We cannot role play France, nor do I want it involved. Speaking French is not an issue, but being part of France is.

The point is to help alleviate some of the logical problems with using WWII in the Isles.

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On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Keomora » Tue May 22, 2018 9:45 pm

Hey Mik does this sound good? After a decade of the conference, the Keomoran Empire pulls a Japan and begins to invade/reclaim surrounding territories, ignoring the warnings/sanctions of the treaty members?
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Postby Athara Magarat » Wed May 23, 2018 4:06 am

Keomora wrote:Hey Mik does this sound good? After a decade of the conference, the Keomoran Empire pulls a Japan and begins to invade/reclaim surrounding territories, ignoring the warnings/sanctions of the treaty members?

I thought that was the initial plan as mentioned in TGs...
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Postby Keomora » Wed May 23, 2018 5:26 am

Athara Magarat wrote:
Keomora wrote:Hey Mik does this sound good? After a decade of the conference, the Keomoran Empire pulls a Japan and begins to invade/reclaim surrounding territories, ignoring the warnings/sanctions of the treaty members?

I thought that was the initial plan as mentioned in TGs...

I mean before the war itself to raise instability like Japan did in Manchuria and China.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Wed May 23, 2018 7:46 am

Keomora wrote:
Athara Magarat wrote:I thought that was the initial plan as mentioned in TGs...

I mean before the war itself to raise instability like Japan did in Manchuria and China.

Exactly what I was saying. Domanania and I are also thinking of something like that between him and I. Maybe join the party-tion?
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Wed May 23, 2018 8:25 am

You know what would help this process along? An imperial war dispatch kinda like my UCCR one.
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Postby Miklania » Wed May 23, 2018 9:21 am

That might work. A few transgressions here and there, nothing big enough to get other countries to risk war, until you invade something big and important that people can't ignore. While allies simultaneously attack other people.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Miklania » Thu May 24, 2018 11:19 am

If people would post their intention to participate in the naval treaty and their motivations while there, I could start working on the master factbook.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu May 24, 2018 11:35 am

We would have signed it, for sure. But in 1937, we would have started breaking it after our fascist coup.
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Postby Keomora » Thu May 24, 2018 1:43 pm

Miklania wrote:If people would post their intention to participate in the naval treaty and their motivations while there, I could start working on the master factbook.

My country would have been present in the negotiations but resist signing that treaty at all cost.
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Postby Domanania » Fri May 25, 2018 3:09 am

Miklania wrote:If people would post their intention to participate in the naval treaty and their motivations while there, I could start working on the master factbook.

My nation would be present, and sign the treaty attempting to show good faith to the rest of the Isles and try to get on map politically for the first time
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Postby Corindia » Fri May 25, 2018 1:37 pm

Miklania wrote:If people would post their intention to participate in the naval treaty and their motivations while there, I could start working on the master factbook.

Corindia would sign the treaty in the hopes of avoiding an expensive and destructive arms race or conflict

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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Fri May 25, 2018 4:07 pm

May as well finally write something for this, since what happens in the Imperial War will impact my history from that point forward. As of now, I have the following for background:

Following the Canal War and the 1909 Revolution, the United Republics experienced a deep economic depression as the cost of building and maintaining its empire caught up with the nation, with both the North and South Argus Canals firmly in the hands of apathetic and unfriendly states, Dormill and Stiura's only source of reliable trade came from the Southern Sea which was (at least I assume for the time-being) growing ever more unstable and falling further from the control of Ile-de-Avillon and deeper into the hands of rival. Hugo Sonner was elected in 1919 with promises of reasserting the position of Dormill and Stiura in the Southern Sea and ending the depression that began to take root. Ostensibly, he was successful in reversing most of the impacts of the depression by introducing new policies both at home and in the remains of the empire (mostly involving massive deregulation in certain industries while tightening control over the budget to generate an excessive surplus). However, it was revealed in 1935 by a private investigation that not only did Sonner rig both the 1919 and 1929 elections in his favor but additionally was embezzling a significant portion of the government's surplus; these would lead to his impeachment where he would be found guilty in a year later. The entire Sonner Administration was implicated in the impeachment and everybody excluding Othmar Geary, the Minister of the Interior who was appointed after Sonner's reelection. Geary was now left with a nation that was dividing quickly between its distinct ethnic and cultural lines, threatening a deadly Civil War if nothing was done to stop it.


Now I am left with two options to go from here, one will lead me to join the Neo-Imperialists and try to bring down Noro's Empire (leading to a division of D&S for a period of time between various states in new spheres of influence); while the other option sees D&S join the Free Powers as a secondary partner to avoid being caught in the crossfire and to save the Dormill-Stiuraian Empire by being on the winning side of the war. I'll describe the options below in greater depth:

In 1939, the Presidential Elections saw a nationalist upstart beat Othmar Geary with promises to legally continue Sonner's work and eventually assert Dormill-Stiuraian dominance once again. The United Republics refuses to be party to the Rickemonde Accords on Imperialism and the Nolon City Naval Treaty, citing that both does nothing to limit current empires while hampering any other nation from acting freely. These actions and the contentious election beforehand caused a fracturing in the national fabric, luckily not between Dormillian and Stiuraian, but rather between the supporters of the quasi-dictator and those who opposed him. Soon, even tensions within the National Congress began to reach a boiling point as the President began to push for discriminatory legislation that would permanently divide Dormill-Stiuraian society into castes, where the pure French Dormillians would stand above the remainder of the nation as the nobility while every other citizen, most especially those of mixed origins, were to be deemed as "impure monsters". The Republics of Lieurneux, which had always been the racist bastion of "High French Culture", and Avillon, which saw the movement of Kaelectians across their borders as dangerous, stood behind the legislation while the remainder of the Republics stood against it. This resulted in the Council becoming splintered as all of the Republics fought over who would represent them. The Forum was little better while facing a similar situation. Eventually, the United Republics broke down as various Republics began the process to secede from the Union, eventually leaving Lieurneux and Avillon alone as the remaining Republics got their bearings as new nations, leaving the door open to invasion by the Francophiles. By the time of 1941, all but the former territories in Samudera were conquered by the United Republics, with its leader being declared President-for-Life shortly before the outbreak of the Imperial War where they would join the Neo-Imperialists and begin a large fight against Noronica. However, constant resistance made the war impossible to fight for the United Republics and the "President" was killed by revolutionaries. Following this, the United Republics was divided with the intention of avoiding reunification. The Union of New Dijon formed over what remained of the Dormillian Republics as a Unitary Parliamentary Republic, binding the three branches of government together in a purpose-built Parliament to keep that power from being too concentrated for too long. The Republic of Kapolder was annexed by Noronica as part of its "extended Gaeltic realms", the cities would gain independence at the formation of the Noronnican Republic as independent city-states. New Friesland and Stiura restored the Stiuraian Republic while Kaelectia reformed its prior government as a constituent to the United Republics to a fully national one. Orsland and the Samuderan Territories were additionally granted independence (or placed under a post-war Mandate, the choice is on Orsandia, Samudera, and whoever desires to maintain the mandate) and soon joined with their modern states. After a war between the New Dijon Union and the Stiuraian Republic in the 60s, the states began to consider a reunion, but the concept was quickly shut down by the international community. (After the formation of the Central Gael Community, the former Dormill-Stiuraian states gradually joined, utilizing the functions of the community to attempt a reunion.) Eventually, after much work, the United Republics was restored with the 1995 Constitution in commemoration of the 200th year of the foundation of the original United Republics.


Othmar Geary won the 1939 election as intended, fighting for the unity of the people of Dormill and Stiura and a return to the core of what made the United Republics a nation, with leading statements being "Unity through Diversity", "In Knowledge Follows Victory", and so on. Though the people remained mostly united, some radicals believed that this would only hasten the death of the United Republics as a nation relevant to the international stage, and thus began to fight on every level in every manner to crush the nation at its core. These efforts would manifest themselves in the future as the National People's Party, the Stiuraian Insurgency, the Kaelectian Insurgency, even the Aurian Troubles, however, the impacts felt by these forces were sporadic enough to keep the nation together through the Imperial War, where the United Republics set aside their grievances against Noronica to halt the Neo-Imperialists. History from then on remains unchanged from the current history written.


Which of these I should go with I don't entirely know but I wanted to leave these here and open a discussion on which I could go down and how that impacts the Imperial War.
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Postby Keomora » Fri May 25, 2018 4:26 pm

So Noronica controlled the northern canal back then? Sweet Keomoran vs Noronica action on land.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Fri May 25, 2018 4:28 pm

Keomora wrote:So Noronica controlled the northern canal back then? Sweet Keomoran vs Noronica action on land.

I'm not sure if he did exactly, but with Altera not far away from the Northern Argus Canal, it may as well be under his control.
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