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Postby Aruia » Thu May 03, 2018 3:30 pm

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Aruia at that period refused to be part of the war none aligined itself, shooting down planes that tried to cross it aerial border.
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Postby Miklania » Thu May 03, 2018 5:05 pm

I'd love to help you with that planning Keo. The first thing we all need to work out is what the pre-war situation was.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu May 03, 2018 5:27 pm

Could you guys change it to Empire of Magarat? Athara Magarat is a new concept started after Imperial War (previously it was WW2) when the empire disintegrated into 18 different city-states. Modern AM is pretty much a federal union of these 18 Magarati hangates - hence the name Athara Magarat.

I know trivial stuff but if we are listing Noronican Empire and Keomoran Empire; then could it be written as Empire of Magarat?
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu May 03, 2018 5:44 pm

By the way, as for motivation, the blame is all on Noronica and her allies.

In 1857, the then great powers had signed the Argus Seas Treaty and given South Mesder Sea as Magarati sphere of influence. Two years later, some random Dormill-Stiuraian flotilla entered Magarati sphere while hunting pirates and a naval battle took place which wad not the best outcome for then Magarati Colonial Realms. This led to First Central Argus War and that further led to Round Two and that further to Round 3...you get the point.

The Magaratis lost war after war for a for nearly a century and lost their sphere of influence (and territory) with each war and being reduced to just one island. The few victories came at high cost and ultimately in 1918, became the Noronican colony known as the Magarati Dominion.

In 1928, the Noronicans were overthrown but the result now was the fascist Empire of Magarat seeking to restore the works of its predecessor states.

The citizens and military alike feel Moratorium on Colonization is a BS designed against them (esecially since they are now limited to just one island and empire just in name as compared to the Khas-Kirat Empire which used to be a historic superpower and Magarati Colonial Realms which was one of the great powers from 17th to late 19th Century). And no one in Magarat is content with just one island and seek what was "rightfully" theirs (cough San Montagna, cough Domanania, cough Vucari) and even more.

They find Keomorans as partners with similar goals.
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Thu May 03, 2018 7:31 pm

Aruia wrote:tag.

Aruia at that period refused to be part of the war none aligined itself, shooting down planes that tried to cross it aerial border.

In trying to stay neutral wouldn't it be better to force planes to land and then intern the pilots for the length of the war? I.e Ireland

Shooting them down would lead to... tense relationships.
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Postby Verdon » Thu May 03, 2018 7:46 pm

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Postby Corindia » Thu May 03, 2018 8:12 pm

Polar Svalbard wrote:
Aruia wrote:tag.

Aruia at that period refused to be part of the war none aligined itself, shooting down planes that tried to cross it aerial border.

In trying to stay neutral wouldn't it be better to force planes to land and then intern the pilots for the length of the war? I.e Ireland

Shooting them down would lead to... tense relationships.

Switzerland did it, I don't think it's out of the question, at least if there's some warning first

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Postby Negarakita » Fri May 04, 2018 12:23 am

I have some of this written up for WW2, so any way that this can be integrated would be appreciated. I appreciate that me still being a part of France at the time may give some difficulties for some people.
The start of World War Two was a watershed moment for the independence forces as it divided the independence movement into two camps, those supporting France (and by extension the allies) and those who supported a union with Samudera which was at the time a fascist nation aligned with the Axis powers. Danish Kelemat, an exiled Pan-Torangese theorist living in Bhinneka, led a campaign to convince Samudera to invade Sanggar Kepanie in order to facilitate a Torangese union in the southern sea. His campaign succeeded and Samudera invaded Sanggar-Kepanie in late may, 1940.

The invasion began with the battle of the Fitriana Strait on the first of June, where the small French fleet was crushed despite spirited resistance. The Samuderans then landed forces at Port Gantra, taking the port after a small skirmish with French soldiers and forcing the remaining soldiers to withdraw back to their positions on Mt Nagahijau. The leader of the Samuderan force was General Mangano, who vastly underestimated the mettle of his opponents and attacked this position with a relatively small advance backed up by three tanks. The thrust was defeated, as the French had almost double the numbers that had been expected and were far better trained than the Samuderan force composed mainly of conscripts. A secondary thrust on the third of June, this time backed up by air support and larger amounts of infantry, managed to dislodge the French troops who retreated back across the bridge to Gawai island before blowing out the bridge and beginning the siege of Gawai. Early attempts at a naval assault were repulsed by artillery and sea mines, leading to Mangano's decision to bomb Gawai into submission. Samuderan bombers pounded at much of the island, damaging even the old Mosque of Bayezid. This act lost much of the local support of the Sanggaric people, who saw it as an attack on their culture. French propaganda painted the event as proof of the destructiveness of fascism, gaining much support by showing the difference between their mosque building and the destruction at the hands of the Samuderans. The French garrison, which was composed mainly of native tirailleurs, managed to survive bombardment for almost a month, before food reserves ran out and they were forced to surrender. Before doing so, however, the French demobilised the Tirailleurs and hid their weapons, allowing them to form an effective resistance force after surrender. This force, known as the Francs-Tireurs des îles occidentales (Free Shooters of the Western Isles) worked in conjunction with pro-independence activists such as the Negarakitan Mujahideen in a display of solidarity. The Communist Party in particular gained support in this time, as it was able to secure weaponry from the Soviet Union. The Samuderans were forced to send more troops in to pacify Sanggar-Kepanie, an act that eventually contributed to their defeat. On the 29th of August 1944 a force of Covonantian soldiers arrived in Sanggar-Kepanie and, helped by local forces, liberated the colony from a Samudera that was now faltering. Tirailleur forces fought with allied forces in the final years of the war, serving with distinction. Militarily, the war had shown the mettle of the Sanggaric soldiers and gained them a fearsome reputation but had also shown how fragile their military situation was. Socially, the war resulted in a strengthening of the Islamist and leftist elements of Sanggar-Kepanie, setting the tone for politics until independence.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Fri May 04, 2018 1:05 am

Miklania wrote:I'd love to help you with that planning Keo. The first thing we all need to work out is what the pre-war situation was.

A question Mik.

According to the TG, I am supposed to be defeated by mid 1944. Maybe prolong that a couple more years?

I do not mind it but if that is the case then I would like to have Magarati expansions such as Invasion of Domanania be a separate war that got mixed into the bigger Imperial War (like the Sino-Japanese thing for example).
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Postby Samudera » Fri May 04, 2018 1:40 am

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Postby Covonant » Fri May 04, 2018 8:38 am

Tag...just to remind both AM and SM that during the 1940s you both were a part of the Covonantian Overseas Protectorate.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Fri May 04, 2018 8:39 am

Covonant wrote:Tag...just to remind both AM and SM that during the 1940s you both were a part of the Covonantian Overseas Protectorate.

Late 40s. Let me and SM have some fun for a few years, sir :)
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Postby Aruia » Fri May 04, 2018 9:11 am

Corindia wrote:
Polar Svalbard wrote:In trying to stay neutral wouldn't it be better to force planes to land and then intern the pilots for the length of the war? I.e Ireland

Shooting them down would lead to... tense relationships.

Switzerland did it, I don't think it's out of the question, at least if there's some warning first

Polar Svalbard wrote:
Aruia wrote:tag.

Aruia at that period refused to be part of the war none aligined itself, shooting down planes that tried to cross it aerial border.

In trying to stay neutral wouldn't it be better to force planes to land and then intern the pilots for the length of the war? I.e Ireland

Shooting them down would lead to... tense relationships.


Switzerland done it with warning shots, but it never helped so they resolved to shooting down planes to show there is no place for comprimise on neutrality. Aruia has a background of trying to step out of a xenophobic agenda in its governing so it really fit a neutral situation, the AP-DU was formed because of the attempts by nations to step over its borders during the war.
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Postby Miklania » Sat May 05, 2018 7:46 am

The first order of business is to determine what exactly was going on in the pre-war years.

The first thing that needs to happen is the moratorium on colonization. This is critical to the premise of the war. The League did not exist at the time, so we either need an old international organization or that treaty needs to be an independent conference thing. This would take place in the early 1920s.

Soon after there would need to be a naval treaty, tentatively called the Nolon City Naval Arms Limitations Treaty, which would restrict most people, at least those with larger navies (or the desire to have a larger navy). This is necessary to keeping the peace until the 1940s. It is also an important element of the attempted containment of the neo-imperialists.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Balnik » Sat May 05, 2018 10:10 am

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat May 05, 2018 10:23 am

Miklania wrote:The first order of business is to determine what exactly was going on in the pre-war years.

The first thing that needs to happen is the moratorium on colonization. This is critical to the premise of the war. The League did not exist at the time, so we either need an old international organization or that treaty needs to be an independent conference thing. This would take place in the early 1920s.

Soon after there would need to be a naval treaty, tentatively called the Nolon City Naval Arms Limitations Treaty, which would restrict most people, at least those with larger navies (or the desire to have a larger navy). This is necessary to keeping the peace until the 1940s. It is also an important element of the attempted containment of the neo-imperialists.

It's possible we could host the talks in the moratorium. From 1885-1937, we were a budding Republic which Noronica might want to ensure wasn't going to try and expand any further as we had taken Turvin from them in 1885 and formed the united Thuzbek Republic. We could host these talks in Ashluv in 1922, signing the treaty as well. It would have been a treaty we would have lobbied to host as we were still trying to prove our legitimacy as a nation.
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Sat May 05, 2018 10:24 am

Man if Tuernia were still here we'd have those conferences in a heartbeat.
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Postby Miklania » Sat May 05, 2018 11:30 am

They would probably have to be hosted somewhere established, somewhere with clout, since there would be plenty of people reluctant to come. I was thinking either Noronica or Covonant would be suitable locations. Of the two I think Covonant makes the most sense.
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On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Weinam » Sat May 05, 2018 11:32 am

I would love to organise and engage in a Pearl Harbour style mass surprise air attack - perhaps as the result of previous tensions in the run up to the IW.
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Postby Noronica » Sat May 05, 2018 12:04 pm

Miklania wrote:They would probably have to be hosted somewhere established, somewhere with clout, since there would be plenty of people reluctant to come. I was thinking either Noronica or Covonant would be suitable locations. Of the two I think Covonant makes the most sense.

I thought the naval treaty was in the City of Nolon?

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat May 05, 2018 12:08 pm

Noronica wrote:
Miklania wrote:They would probably have to be hosted somewhere established, somewhere with clout, since there would be plenty of people reluctant to come. I was thinking either Noronica or Covonant would be suitable locations. Of the two I think Covonant makes the most sense.

I thought the naval treaty was in the City of Nolon?

Hes referring to the moritoriam on colinization
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Postby Noronica » Sat May 05, 2018 1:03 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Noronica wrote:I thought the naval treaty was in the City of Nolon?

Hes referring to the moritoriam on colinization

Was he not talking about both of the conferences?

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Postby Miklania » Sat May 05, 2018 3:11 pm

No I was talking about the moratorium conference. The Naval Treaty is being held in Noronica.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Miklania » Mon May 07, 2018 11:28 am

Alright, so here's what I'm thinking right now.

There are a series of events in regional history already that fit the narrative. The end of the 19th and beginning of the twentieth centuries see a lot of empires losing territories and attempting to take them back. Making a council to stop the madness seems logical. Covonant is a de facto empire at this point but doesn't view itself as such. Perhaps they consider themselves an honest broker, or just want to be the voice of reason and international cooperation. (The soft-power empire thing is still part of their national character.) They host a council/conference that ultimately backs a proposal to place a moratorium on claiming new colonies.

Nations like Miklania would join in enthusiastically to 1) be part of the international scene; 2) spite Noronica; 3) remove urgency for rearmament. (Point 3 is also our primary reason for backing a naval treaty, going from zero to a run-for-your-money fleet is expensive)

Empires like Noronica might support the idea because of the costs (human financial and political) of recent colonial experiences.

Even those that don't want it to happen would show up so that they can see what's going on and maybe try to shoot it down. Their efforts could be thwarted by a variety of things. Diplomatic espionage could do it. The Japanese lost what they wanted at the Washington Naval Conference because their diplomatic communications were compromised, and so the US and Britain knew that they would be willing to back down if pressed hard enough. The same thing could happen to other nations, like Keomora. Another option would be for some contrary countries to be massaged by some of the larger moratorium supporting nations in their area.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Corindia » Mon May 07, 2018 8:07 pm

Hey guys, so around this time Corindia really should be in somebody's sphere, and this would have a big impact on Corindia's actions during the war, but I have no idea who would work best for that, so any thoughts/ideas from you guys would be great!

A few notes on Corindia at the time:
-Pretty Leftist! Especially at this time period before the cold war really popped off in the real world, Corindi volunteers fought alongside the communists in Spain and the Corindi government had a meaningful and active communist party. Look to Mexico at the same era for some of the other sentiments and flavor that would be floating around
-Trying to jump-start its industry! Corindia was pretty much a backwater until the early forties, its rise (a relative term) was kick-started when the US improved infrastructure enormously to support its airbases on the island (which were largely abandoned after the Korean War). This bit is sort of based off the American occupation of Iceland. Could you fill a similar role?? Let's see!

Other than that, I don't really have too too much going on at the time, it's a pretty blank slate!

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