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Thuzbekistan wrote:

Corindia wrote:I've actually been doing that

You may have, but no one else has.

Corindia wrote:are you suggesting... no past rps because people don't world build as much for their nations' past forms as much as their present ones?

more content is always good but I think you're fabricating a concern to play with somewhat here

Corindia wrote:

Thuzbekistan wrote:You may have, but no one else has.

AR and Norstham have been on it, Mik claimed a few real life fighters to work on so he might have something in a word doc we haven't seen too.

I guess weinam has too but via me so idk how that counts

Domanania wrote:So i have made this thing outlining AM's march through Domanania before the start of the Imperial War. It is more like the Sino-Japanese war. I will be adding in images outlining location of some Key battles and descriptions of the images in the future. But this is the first Month and a Half mostly done.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1081269

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:Ilsan Military Doctrine and Political Preparedness for the Imperial War

At the time of the Imperial War, Ilsan land doctrine was still focused around dominating battles through the use of elite noble calvary. Soldiers who fought on foot continued to consist mostly of conscripted peasants and the lower class, with knights in officer roles. Artillery was similarly comprised, and armour had been neglected, despite its proven efficacy, for its lack of chivalry, though self-propelled guns were slowly increasing in number, primarily with the rationale of being able to keep pace with and support the cavalry. The primary focus of the Ilsan Armour debate was the subject of tankettes, which allowed personal self-reliance, and were referred to by proponents as ‘battle armour’. Though still controversial, by the time of the Imperial War there were a notable number of ‘steeled knights’ who drove tankettes into battle. Interestingly, the armour debate spurred some forward thinking Ilsans into designing better anti-tank weapons, capable of penetrating 87 mm of armour at a range of 100 metres, and 54 mm at 1000 metres, both with reasonable accuracy. Later, an improved version was made comparable to the German PaK 38.

Eventually, midway through the Imperial War, the necessity of developing real armour, referred to as dragons out of contempt, was felt. The population of squires had been in decline ever since the Invasion of the de Blanchards, who brought over the idea that nobles should be educated, and who placed less emphasis on humility. With losses in the Imperial War mounting, it became evident that the men of the nobility would not be enough to sustain the war and maintain a healthy number of nobles at home. Thus squiring gained more popularity, first with the artillery, where the death of the commanding knight, with whom sole knowledge of aiming and accuracy rested, would effectively ‘knock out’ the battery. This was first solved by attaching more knights, though often these knights were needed in the calvary as well. This coincided with a general movement to open up knighthood, to which King Richard reluctantly agreed. Thus each artillery detachment was given in addition several squires, who quickly learned to command the artillery. Thus, as ‘dragon’ designs came to fruition, the social question of how to man them was resolved: they would be crewed with a number squires whilst a knight would command the ‘dragon’, and generally take credit for kills. Some knights, dissatisfied with the position of commander, would often attempt to become gunners as well.

Aviation generally progressed along similar trends, though it was less marked with controversy. Before the war, the Ilse was entirely equipped with fighter-bombers, though more fighter than bomber, as their express mission was to ‘break lances’ with enemy air forces, causing them to be very skilful, but also causing a heavy tactical focus which distracted them from ground support roles. As the war progressed, long range patrol bombers, dive bombers, and torpedo bombers were developed and relied heavily on the recruitment of squires from the bourgeoisie. Naval aviation was also considered, though mostly in a defensive capacity.

I would estimate Ilsan Military figures at roughly the below (these are definitely not final though):

3-4 Battleships (see HMS Warspite)

1 Aircraft carrier (slightly bigger than a Casablanca class)
or
Multiple seaplane tenders (see IJN Chitose)

4 or so Heavy Cruisers (maybe IJN Nachi without the improved torpedoes)

4 or so light cruiser of the Ajax class

20 destroyers

Few submarines, if any

Transports and a small number of medium sized short range landing craft

~200 Aircraft, all fighters with small pylons for bombs

10 ‘wheeled’ mobile artillery pieces

A good amount of conventional artillery

Cavalry— One brigade

Infantry— 3 ‘regular’ divisions, and 7 militia divisions

Ilsan naval doctrine was less mired in social problems, having been resolved and even become egalitarian since its foundation. The knights often received preferential treatment in candidacy for enlistment, though promotions tend to be meritocratic. Sea-knights tended to be more be subservient to seniority, recognising the necessity of survival over independence in naval combats. Ilsan naval strategies focused mainly on supplementing an allied navy (insert allies here), and on using light surface raiders against enemy commerce. The aircraft carrier was to take a defensive role. Destroyers would fulfil a screening role, with anti-submarine roles less emphasised. The Ilse focused heavily upon one to one class superiority, and thus focused its efforts limited ‘equal’ actions.


Final OOC Thoughts:

With whom can I have joint fleet exercises? (Athara Magarat? Keomora?)

I want to be on the offensive on land for some part of this, maybe in Wellsia?

Also, is there anyone in Argus whom I could obtain colonies in? This would probably be right before the moratorium on colonisation, which would miff the Ilse, who up to that point had been met with relative success and efficiency. Corindia? Negarakita? (The Ilse has a pre-dominantly French culture)

Also, as a qualifier to my previous naval positions, I would want the Ilse to focus on limiting quantity, since Ilsan doctrinal focus tends to emphasise quality. However, the delegation of the Ilse to a second or even third tier navy, and probably the sting of a Miklanian navy bigger than the Ilsan navy, would be enough to cause severe dissatisfaction with the treaty.

On the Rikemonde Accords, the Ilse would be belligerent and resentful, but would probably end up accepting the accord after making a show of defiance, in the face of warnings by stronger powers.

Miklania wrote:At the beginning of the war, our navy would have had nearly 200 ships authorized under the Vae Victis Act and permitted by the Nolan City Naval Treaty:

16 Battleships and Battlecruisers with 2 in reserve

34 Cruisers, light and heavy

74 Destroyers

7 Aircraft Carriers and 2 reserve experimental carriers

71 Submarines and Midget Submarines

65 Auxiliaries

These figures will increase by the end of the war as ships enter serial production. In 1947, the oldest of these vessels, the ones built between 1917 and 1927, will be retired from service. Those of that vintage that have survived the first half decade of war, that is.

Athara Magarat wrote:

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:Ilsan Military Doctrine and Political Preparedness for the Imperial War

At the time of the Imperial War, Ilsan land doctrine was still focused around dominating battles through the use of elite noble calvary. Soldiers who fought on foot continued to consist mostly of conscripted peasants and the lower class, with knights in officer roles. Artillery was similarly comprised, and armour had been neglected, despite its proven efficacy, for its lack of chivalry, though self-propelled guns were slowly increasing in number, primarily with the rationale of being able to keep pace with and support the cavalry. The primary focus of the Ilsan Armour debate was the subject of tankettes, which allowed personal self-reliance, and were referred to by proponents as ‘battle armour’. Though still controversial, by the time of the Imperial War there were a notable number of ‘steeled knights’ who drove tankettes into battle. Interestingly, the armour debate spurred some forward thinking Ilsans into designing better anti-tank weapons, capable of penetrating 87 mm of armour at a range of 100 metres, and 54 mm at 1000 metres, both with reasonable accuracy. Later, an improved version was made comparable to the German PaK 38.

Eventually, midway through the Imperial War, the necessity of developing real armour, referred to as dragons out of contempt, was felt. The population of squires had been in decline ever since the Invasion of the de Blanchards, who brought over the idea that nobles should be educated, and who placed less emphasis on humility. With losses in the Imperial War mounting, it became evident that the men of the nobility would not be enough to sustain the war and maintain a healthy number of nobles at home. Thus squiring gained more popularity, first with the artillery, where the death of the commanding knight, with whom sole knowledge of aiming and accuracy rested, would effectively ‘knock out’ the battery. This was first solved by attaching more knights, though often these knights were needed in the calvary as well. This coincided with a general movement to open up knighthood, to which King Richard reluctantly agreed. Thus each artillery detachment was given in addition several squires, who quickly learned to command the artillery. Thus, as ‘dragon’ designs came to fruition, the social question of how to man them was resolved: they would be crewed with a number squires whilst a knight would command the ‘dragon’, and generally take credit for kills. Some knights, dissatisfied with the position of commander, would often attempt to become gunners as well.

Aviation generally progressed along similar trends, though it was less marked with controversy. Before the war, the Ilse was entirely equipped with fighter-bombers, though more fighter than bomber, as their express mission was to ‘break lances’ with enemy air forces, causing them to be very skilful, but also causing a heavy tactical focus which distracted them from ground support roles. As the war progressed, long range patrol bombers, dive bombers, and torpedo bombers were developed and relied heavily on the recruitment of squires from the bourgeoisie. Naval aviation was also considered, though mostly in a defensive capacity.

I would estimate Ilsan Military figures at roughly the below (these are definitely not final though):

3-4 Battleships (see HMS Warspite)

1 Aircraft carrier (slightly bigger than a Casablanca class)
or
Multiple seaplane tenders (see IJN Chitose)

4 or so Heavy Cruisers (maybe IJN Nachi without the improved torpedoes)

4 or so light cruiser of the Ajax class

20 destroyers

Few submarines, if any

Transports and a small number of medium sized short range landing craft

~200 Aircraft, all fighters with small pylons for bombs

10 ‘wheeled’ mobile artillery pieces

A good amount of conventional artillery

Cavalry— One brigade

Infantry— 3 ‘regular’ divisions, and 7 militia divisions

Ilsan naval doctrine was less mired in social problems, having been resolved and even become egalitarian since its foundation. The knights often received preferential treatment in candidacy for enlistment, though promotions tend to be meritocratic. Sea-knights tended to be more be subservient to seniority, recognising the necessity of survival over independence in naval combats. Ilsan naval strategies focused mainly on supplementing an allied navy (insert allies here), and on using light surface raiders against enemy commerce. The aircraft carrier was to take a defensive role. Destroyers would fulfil a screening role, with anti-submarine roles less emphasised. The Ilse focused heavily upon one to one class superiority, and thus focused its efforts limited ‘equal’ actions.


Final OOC Thoughts:

With whom can I have joint fleet exercises? (Athara Magarat? Keomora?)

I want to be on the offensive on land for some part of this, maybe in Wellsia?

Also, is there anyone in Argus whom I could obtain colonies in? This would probably be right before the moratorium on colonisation, which would miff the Ilse, who up to that point had been met with relative success and efficiency. Corindia? Negarakita? (The Ilse has a pre-dominantly French culture)

Also, as a qualifier to my previous naval positions, I would want the Ilse to focus on limiting quantity, since Ilsan doctrinal focus tends to emphasise quality. However, the delegation of the Ilse to a second or even third tier navy, and probably the sting of a Miklanian navy bigger than the Ilsan navy, would be enough to cause severe dissatisfaction with the treaty.

On the Rikemonde Accords, the Ilse would be belligerent and resentful, but would probably end up accepting the accord after making a show of defiance, in the face of warnings by stronger powers.

You and I were allies; hence we did be having joint fleet exercises.

The other folks I know with French culture (some ties to France) are Negarakita, DS and Verdon (maybe talk to them?)

For Empire of Magarat, as I said on the first page of this thread as well...

Roughly 1,000 aircraft with around 600 fighters for the air force. As the war dragged, a high number of these pilots were women.

It was a country of 9 million back then. Hence, an army of 900,000 (45 divisions of 20,000 each) or maybe more conscripts as the war drags with multiple fronts fighting a hopeless war against way too many enemies.

I mean, Belgium had 8.5 million pop and fielded around 700,000 troops in WW2.

BTW, do you want to participate in the Second Doman-Magarati War as an ally of the Empire of Magarat?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ath ... id=1048902

I am not so good with navies. Can anyone help to design my Imperial War period navy?

Noronica wrote:-snip-

Athara Magarat wrote:

Noronica wrote:-snip-

Neat. You perfectly explained the situation

One thing, could my capital be just called called Libang (actually it's Liba Hang as in "Ruler's Rest" but I think it makes sense to say that most foreigners mis-spelt it as Libang and the name stuck)? The "New" part was added in the 1980s after the end of the three decades long civil war in Cold War era.

Noronica wrote:Thanks! Edited that bit now.