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Postby Corindia » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:13 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Corindia wrote:I've actually been doing that

You may have, but no one else has.

AR and Norstham have been on it, Mik claimed a few real life fighters to work on so he might have something in a word doc we haven't seen too.

I guess weinam has too but via me so idk how that counts

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:02 pm

Again, if you expect this to be a region wide war, you need to consider what the majority will be willing to do. You wont see many people wanting to build a ww2 military.
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Postby Corindia » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:03 pm

are you suggesting... no past rps because people don't world build as much for their nations' past forms as much as their present ones?

more content is always good but I think you're fabricating a concern to play with somewhat here
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:11 pm

Corindia wrote:are you suggesting... no past rps because people don't world build as much for their nations' past forms as much as their present ones?

more content is always good but I think you're fabricating a concern to play with somewhat here

Is this a past RP or is this a collaborative history? I'm just trying to figure out why we need to go through the process of simulating our nations in the 1940s.
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Postby Miklania » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:33 am

This is collaborative history. It would be better if people could come up with rough estimates of the things that they had, particularly large assets like aircraft carriers and battleships.

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Postby Alteran Republics » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:10 pm

Corindia wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:You may have, but no one else has.

AR and Norstham have been on it, Mik claimed a few real life fighters to work on so he might have something in a word doc we haven't seen too.

I guess weinam has too but via me so idk how that counts

Aye, we have. Admittedly, a lot of my stuff would be old/rehashed work from my pre-TWI days where Franco-Albion was literally a French-British union during WW2:
https://i.imgur.com/vF9nnJc.png

And as Altera would have more of a Noronican colony than it currently is, we'd pretty much take on the role of Noronica's !Canada - act as a pool for cannon fodder troops and pilots, but also as an extra manufacturing base for the Noronican war effort.

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Postby Domanania » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:38 am

So i have made this thing outlining AM's march through Domanania before the start of the Imperial War. It is more like the Sino-Japanese war. I will be adding in images outlining location of some Key battles and descriptions of the images in the future. But this is the first Month and a Half mostly done.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1081269
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:42 am

Domanania wrote:So i have made this thing outlining AM's march through Domanania before the start of the Imperial War. It is more like the Sino-Japanese war. I will be adding in images outlining location of some Key battles and descriptions of the images in the future. But this is the first Month and a Half mostly done.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1081269

Cool stuff :)
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Ilsan Military Doctrine and Political Preparedness for the Imperial War

At the time of the Imperial War, Ilsan land doctrine was still focused around dominating battles through the use of elite noble calvary. Soldiers who fought on foot continued to consist mostly of conscripted peasants and the lower class, with knights in officer roles. Artillery was similarly comprised, and armour had been neglected, despite its proven efficacy, for its lack of chivalry, though self-propelled guns were slowly increasing in number, primarily with the rationale of being able to keep pace with and support the cavalry. The primary focus of the Ilsan Armour debate was the subject of tankettes, which allowed personal self-reliance, and were referred to by proponents as ‘battle armour’. Though still controversial, by the time of the Imperial War there were a notable number of ‘steeled knights’ who drove tankettes into battle. Interestingly, the armour debate spurred some forward thinking Ilsans into designing better anti-tank weapons, capable of penetrating 87 mm of armour at a range of 100 metres, and 54 mm at 1000 metres, both with reasonable accuracy. Later, an improved version was made comparable to the German PaK 38.

Eventually, midway through the Imperial War, the necessity of developing real armour, referred to as dragons out of contempt, was felt. The population of squires had been in decline ever since the Invasion of the de Blanchards, who brought over the idea that nobles should be educated, and who placed less emphasis on humility. With losses in the Imperial War mounting, it became evident that the men of the nobility would not be enough to sustain the war and maintain a healthy number of nobles at home. Thus squiring gained more popularity, first with the artillery, where the death of the commanding knight, with whom sole knowledge of aiming and accuracy rested, would effectively ‘knock out’ the battery. This was first solved by attaching more knights, though often these knights were needed in the calvary as well. This coincided with a general movement to open up knighthood, to which King Richard reluctantly agreed. Thus each artillery detachment was given in addition several squires, who quickly learned to command the artillery. Thus, as ‘dragon’ designs came to fruition, the social question of how to man them was resolved: they would be crewed with a number squires whilst a knight would command the ‘dragon’, and generally take credit for kills. Some knights, dissatisfied with the position of commander, would often attempt to become gunners as well.

Aviation generally progressed along similar trends, though it was less marked with controversy. Before the war, the Ilse was entirely equipped with fighter-bombers, though more fighter than bomber, as their express mission was to ‘break lances’ with enemy air forces, causing them to be very skilful, but also causing a heavy tactical focus which distracted them from ground support roles. As the war progressed, long range patrol bombers, dive bombers, and torpedo bombers were developed and relied heavily on the recruitment of squires from the bourgeoisie. Naval aviation was also considered, though mostly in a defensive capacity.

I would estimate Ilsan Military figures at roughly the below (these are definitely not final though):

3-4 Battleships (see HMS Warspite)

1 Aircraft carrier (slightly bigger than a Casablanca class)
or
Multiple seaplane tenders (see IJN Chitose)

4 or so Heavy Cruisers (maybe IJN Nachi without the improved torpedoes)

4 or so light cruiser of the Ajax class

20 destroyers

Few submarines, if any

Transports and a small number of medium sized short range landing craft

~200 Aircraft, all fighters with small pylons for bombs

10 ‘wheeled’ mobile artillery pieces

A good amount of conventional artillery

Cavalry— One brigade

Infantry— 3 ‘regular’ divisions, and 7 militia divisions

Ilsan naval doctrine was less mired in social problems, having been resolved and even become egalitarian since its foundation. The knights often received preferential treatment in candidacy for enlistment, though promotions tend to be meritocratic. Sea-knights tended to be more be subservient to seniority, recognising the necessity of survival over independence in naval combats. Ilsan naval strategies focused mainly on supplementing an allied navy (insert allies here), and on using light surface raiders against enemy commerce. The aircraft carrier was to take a defensive role. Destroyers would fulfil a screening role, with anti-submarine roles less emphasised. The Ilse focused heavily upon one to one class superiority, and thus focused its efforts limited ‘equal’ actions.


Final OOC Thoughts:

With whom can I have joint fleet exercises? (Athara Magarat? Keomora?)

I want to be on the offensive on land for some part of this, maybe in Wellsia?

Also, is there anyone in Argus whom I could obtain colonies in? This would probably be right before the moratorium on colonisation, which would miff the Ilse, who up to that point had been met with relative success and efficiency. Corindia? Negarakita? (The Ilse has a pre-dominantly French culture)

Also, as a qualifier to my previous naval positions, I would want the Ilse to focus on limiting quantity, since Ilsan doctrinal focus tends to emphasise quality. However, the delegation of the Ilse to a second or even third tier navy, and probably the sting of a Miklanian navy bigger than the Ilsan navy, would be enough to cause severe dissatisfaction with the treaty.

On the Rikemonde Accords, the Ilse would be belligerent and resentful, but would probably end up accepting the accord after making a show of defiance, in the face of warnings by stronger powers.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:07 am

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:Ilsan Military Doctrine and Political Preparedness for the Imperial War

At the time of the Imperial War, Ilsan land doctrine was still focused around dominating battles through the use of elite noble calvary. Soldiers who fought on foot continued to consist mostly of conscripted peasants and the lower class, with knights in officer roles. Artillery was similarly comprised, and armour had been neglected, despite its proven efficacy, for its lack of chivalry, though self-propelled guns were slowly increasing in number, primarily with the rationale of being able to keep pace with and support the cavalry. The primary focus of the Ilsan Armour debate was the subject of tankettes, which allowed personal self-reliance, and were referred to by proponents as ‘battle armour’. Though still controversial, by the time of the Imperial War there were a notable number of ‘steeled knights’ who drove tankettes into battle. Interestingly, the armour debate spurred some forward thinking Ilsans into designing better anti-tank weapons, capable of penetrating 87 mm of armour at a range of 100 metres, and 54 mm at 1000 metres, both with reasonable accuracy. Later, an improved version was made comparable to the German PaK 38.

Eventually, midway through the Imperial War, the necessity of developing real armour, referred to as dragons out of contempt, was felt. The population of squires had been in decline ever since the Invasion of the de Blanchards, who brought over the idea that nobles should be educated, and who placed less emphasis on humility. With losses in the Imperial War mounting, it became evident that the men of the nobility would not be enough to sustain the war and maintain a healthy number of nobles at home. Thus squiring gained more popularity, first with the artillery, where the death of the commanding knight, with whom sole knowledge of aiming and accuracy rested, would effectively ‘knock out’ the battery. This was first solved by attaching more knights, though often these knights were needed in the calvary as well. This coincided with a general movement to open up knighthood, to which King Richard reluctantly agreed. Thus each artillery detachment was given in addition several squires, who quickly learned to command the artillery. Thus, as ‘dragon’ designs came to fruition, the social question of how to man them was resolved: they would be crewed with a number squires whilst a knight would command the ‘dragon’, and generally take credit for kills. Some knights, dissatisfied with the position of commander, would often attempt to become gunners as well.

Aviation generally progressed along similar trends, though it was less marked with controversy. Before the war, the Ilse was entirely equipped with fighter-bombers, though more fighter than bomber, as their express mission was to ‘break lances’ with enemy air forces, causing them to be very skilful, but also causing a heavy tactical focus which distracted them from ground support roles. As the war progressed, long range patrol bombers, dive bombers, and torpedo bombers were developed and relied heavily on the recruitment of squires from the bourgeoisie. Naval aviation was also considered, though mostly in a defensive capacity.

I would estimate Ilsan Military figures at roughly the below (these are definitely not final though):

3-4 Battleships (see HMS Warspite)

1 Aircraft carrier (slightly bigger than a Casablanca class)
or
Multiple seaplane tenders (see IJN Chitose)

4 or so Heavy Cruisers (maybe IJN Nachi without the improved torpedoes)

4 or so light cruiser of the Ajax class

20 destroyers

Few submarines, if any

Transports and a small number of medium sized short range landing craft

~200 Aircraft, all fighters with small pylons for bombs

10 ‘wheeled’ mobile artillery pieces

A good amount of conventional artillery

Cavalry— One brigade

Infantry— 3 ‘regular’ divisions, and 7 militia divisions

Ilsan naval doctrine was less mired in social problems, having been resolved and even become egalitarian since its foundation. The knights often received preferential treatment in candidacy for enlistment, though promotions tend to be meritocratic. Sea-knights tended to be more be subservient to seniority, recognising the necessity of survival over independence in naval combats. Ilsan naval strategies focused mainly on supplementing an allied navy (insert allies here), and on using light surface raiders against enemy commerce. The aircraft carrier was to take a defensive role. Destroyers would fulfil a screening role, with anti-submarine roles less emphasised. The Ilse focused heavily upon one to one class superiority, and thus focused its efforts limited ‘equal’ actions.


Final OOC Thoughts:

With whom can I have joint fleet exercises? (Athara Magarat? Keomora?)

I want to be on the offensive on land for some part of this, maybe in Wellsia?

Also, is there anyone in Argus whom I could obtain colonies in? This would probably be right before the moratorium on colonisation, which would miff the Ilse, who up to that point had been met with relative success and efficiency. Corindia? Negarakita? (The Ilse has a pre-dominantly French culture)

Also, as a qualifier to my previous naval positions, I would want the Ilse to focus on limiting quantity, since Ilsan doctrinal focus tends to emphasise quality. However, the delegation of the Ilse to a second or even third tier navy, and probably the sting of a Miklanian navy bigger than the Ilsan navy, would be enough to cause severe dissatisfaction with the treaty.

On the Rikemonde Accords, the Ilse would be belligerent and resentful, but would probably end up accepting the accord after making a show of defiance, in the face of warnings by stronger powers.

You and I were allies; hence we did be having joint fleet exercises.

The other folks I know with French culture (some ties to France) are Negarakita, DS and Verdon (maybe talk to them?)

For Empire of Magarat, as I said on the first page of this thread as well...

Roughly 1,000 aircraft with around 600 fighters for the air force. As the war dragged, a high number of these pilots were women.

It was a country of 9 million back then. Hence, an army of 900,000 (45 divisions of 20,000 each) or maybe more conscripts as the war drags with multiple fronts fighting a hopeless war against way too many enemies.

I mean, Belgium had 8.5 million pop and fielded around 700,000 troops in WW2.


BTW, do you want to participate in the Second Doman-Magarati War as an ally of the Empire of Magarat?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ath ... id=1048902

I am not so good with navies. Can anyone help to design my Imperial War period navy?
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:12 am

Like Domanania said earlier, he and I see the Second Doman-Magarati War (1937 - 1943) eventually becoming part of the Imperial War.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ath ... id=1048902

If there is some mistake, please feel free to point them out.
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Postby Negarakita » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:19 am

So at this stage, Negarakita was a dominion of Dorm's. We got invaded by Samu, and then resistanced til the end of the war. Our local defences would not have been huge, with around

- 15,000 infantry (mainly local colonial forces, some Dorm ones)
- 5 light tanks
- 20 Shore defence guns
- 50 Howitzers and other artillery pieces
- 20 !Fairey Battles made by me and Altera.
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Postby Miklania » Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:30 am

At the beginning of the war, our navy would have had nearly 200 ships authorized under the Vae Victis Act and permitted by the Nolan City Naval Treaty:

16 Battleships and Battlecruisers with 2 in reserve

34 Cruisers, light and heavy

74 Destroyers

7 Aircraft Carriers and 2 reserve experimental carriers

71 Submarines and Midget Submarines

65 Auxiliaries

These figures will increase by the end of the war as ships enter serial production. In 1947, the oldest of these vessels, the ones built between 1917 and 1927, will be retired from service. Those of that vintage that have survived the first half decade of war, that is.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:50 pm

Miklania wrote:At the beginning of the war, our navy would have had nearly 200 ships authorized under the Vae Victis Act and permitted by the Nolan City Naval Treaty:

16 Battleships and Battlecruisers with 2 in reserve

34 Cruisers, light and heavy

74 Destroyers

7 Aircraft Carriers and 2 reserve experimental carriers

71 Submarines and Midget Submarines

65 Auxiliaries

These figures will increase by the end of the war as ships enter serial production. In 1947, the oldest of these vessels, the ones built between 1917 and 1927, will be retired from service. Those of that vintage that have survived the first half decade of war, that is.

How many ships of what types do you think I could have had? A rapidly industrialized growing power with 9 million pop.

I got the planes and land forces figured out.
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Postby Corindia » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:39 pm

Athara Magarat wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:Ilsan Military Doctrine and Political Preparedness for the Imperial War

At the time of the Imperial War, Ilsan land doctrine was still focused around dominating battles through the use of elite noble calvary. Soldiers who fought on foot continued to consist mostly of conscripted peasants and the lower class, with knights in officer roles. Artillery was similarly comprised, and armour had been neglected, despite its proven efficacy, for its lack of chivalry, though self-propelled guns were slowly increasing in number, primarily with the rationale of being able to keep pace with and support the cavalry. The primary focus of the Ilsan Armour debate was the subject of tankettes, which allowed personal self-reliance, and were referred to by proponents as ‘battle armour’. Though still controversial, by the time of the Imperial War there were a notable number of ‘steeled knights’ who drove tankettes into battle. Interestingly, the armour debate spurred some forward thinking Ilsans into designing better anti-tank weapons, capable of penetrating 87 mm of armour at a range of 100 metres, and 54 mm at 1000 metres, both with reasonable accuracy. Later, an improved version was made comparable to the German PaK 38.

Eventually, midway through the Imperial War, the necessity of developing real armour, referred to as dragons out of contempt, was felt. The population of squires had been in decline ever since the Invasion of the de Blanchards, who brought over the idea that nobles should be educated, and who placed less emphasis on humility. With losses in the Imperial War mounting, it became evident that the men of the nobility would not be enough to sustain the war and maintain a healthy number of nobles at home. Thus squiring gained more popularity, first with the artillery, where the death of the commanding knight, with whom sole knowledge of aiming and accuracy rested, would effectively ‘knock out’ the battery. This was first solved by attaching more knights, though often these knights were needed in the calvary as well. This coincided with a general movement to open up knighthood, to which King Richard reluctantly agreed. Thus each artillery detachment was given in addition several squires, who quickly learned to command the artillery. Thus, as ‘dragon’ designs came to fruition, the social question of how to man them was resolved: they would be crewed with a number squires whilst a knight would command the ‘dragon’, and generally take credit for kills. Some knights, dissatisfied with the position of commander, would often attempt to become gunners as well.

Aviation generally progressed along similar trends, though it was less marked with controversy. Before the war, the Ilse was entirely equipped with fighter-bombers, though more fighter than bomber, as their express mission was to ‘break lances’ with enemy air forces, causing them to be very skilful, but also causing a heavy tactical focus which distracted them from ground support roles. As the war progressed, long range patrol bombers, dive bombers, and torpedo bombers were developed and relied heavily on the recruitment of squires from the bourgeoisie. Naval aviation was also considered, though mostly in a defensive capacity.

I would estimate Ilsan Military figures at roughly the below (these are definitely not final though):

3-4 Battleships (see HMS Warspite)

1 Aircraft carrier (slightly bigger than a Casablanca class)
or
Multiple seaplane tenders (see IJN Chitose)

4 or so Heavy Cruisers (maybe IJN Nachi without the improved torpedoes)

4 or so light cruiser of the Ajax class

20 destroyers

Few submarines, if any

Transports and a small number of medium sized short range landing craft

~200 Aircraft, all fighters with small pylons for bombs

10 ‘wheeled’ mobile artillery pieces

A good amount of conventional artillery

Cavalry— One brigade

Infantry— 3 ‘regular’ divisions, and 7 militia divisions

Ilsan naval doctrine was less mired in social problems, having been resolved and even become egalitarian since its foundation. The knights often received preferential treatment in candidacy for enlistment, though promotions tend to be meritocratic. Sea-knights tended to be more be subservient to seniority, recognising the necessity of survival over independence in naval combats. Ilsan naval strategies focused mainly on supplementing an allied navy (insert allies here), and on using light surface raiders against enemy commerce. The aircraft carrier was to take a defensive role. Destroyers would fulfil a screening role, with anti-submarine roles less emphasised. The Ilse focused heavily upon one to one class superiority, and thus focused its efforts limited ‘equal’ actions.


Final OOC Thoughts:

With whom can I have joint fleet exercises? (Athara Magarat? Keomora?)

I want to be on the offensive on land for some part of this, maybe in Wellsia?

Also, is there anyone in Argus whom I could obtain colonies in? This would probably be right before the moratorium on colonisation, which would miff the Ilse, who up to that point had been met with relative success and efficiency. Corindia? Negarakita? (The Ilse has a pre-dominantly French culture)

Also, as a qualifier to my previous naval positions, I would want the Ilse to focus on limiting quantity, since Ilsan doctrinal focus tends to emphasise quality. However, the delegation of the Ilse to a second or even third tier navy, and probably the sting of a Miklanian navy bigger than the Ilsan navy, would be enough to cause severe dissatisfaction with the treaty.

On the Rikemonde Accords, the Ilse would be belligerent and resentful, but would probably end up accepting the accord after making a show of defiance, in the face of warnings by stronger powers.

You and I were allies; hence we did be having joint fleet exercises.

The other folks I know with French culture (some ties to France) are Negarakita, DS and Verdon (maybe talk to them?)

For Empire of Magarat, as I said on the first page of this thread as well...

Roughly 1,000 aircraft with around 600 fighters for the air force. As the war dragged, a high number of these pilots were women.

It was a country of 9 million back then. Hence, an army of 900,000 (45 divisions of 20,000 each) or maybe more conscripts as the war drags with multiple fronts fighting a hopeless war against way too many enemies.

I mean, Belgium had 8.5 million pop and fielded around 700,000 troops in WW2.


BTW, do you want to participate in the Second Doman-Magarati War as an ally of the Empire of Magarat?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ath ... id=1048902

I am not so good with navies. Can anyone help to design my Imperial War period navy?

If you're looking for French culture I could help somewhat as well

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Postby Noronica » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:31 am

Here is the draft for the anti-imperialist conference of 1922, (Noronica's early 40's military, social and economic state coming soon). For the Conference, I am only going off of what is written in the thread, so if people want more detail, please post or tg me a paragraph on your nation's interests and actions during the conference.

I also understand that I may have gotten things wrong and I took some liberties, so please do correct any mistakes! This is most definitely not finished, and so any extra points would be appreciated.

As a consequence of the various imperialist conflicts fought over the Western Isles such as the Great Gael War, the Noronnican Empire had become increasingly concerned with the lack of balance and agreement over colonialism, which had for the longest time, allowed the Western Isles to run riot over the spoils of war. As its own desire for colonialism stagnated, and as new or revitalised colonialist nations coming to fruition, the Noronnican Empire, among many other powers in the Western Isles, sought to prevent this by holding an international conference which would once and for all decide upon the future of colonialism in the Western Isles.

It was decided that major and upcoming powers of the Western Isles would attend which would, therefore, in the minds of the Noronnicans, allow for a sensible and fair debate between the nations ' who had the power to be responsible for the future of the Isles'. The nations that attended the conference were, Noronica (Altera, Magarati Dominion (-would later form into Empire of Magarat), Wellsia), Miklania, Corindia, Verdon, Keomora, Thuzbekistan, Domanania, Dormill and Stiura (Negarakita), Linaviar, Belle Ilse en Terre, Norstham, San Montagna and Polar Svalbard.

The conference swiftly devolved into two clear-cut factions which held each other with total contempt and disregard and a few independent nations who merely desired peace. The Neo-Colonialists sought to prevent and disrupt proceedings, arguing for the memorandum to be disbanded and declaring that the other proposed signatories were attempting to stamp out any attempt at gaining power. The other side took to calling themselves the 'Free Nations' after the conference, as they sought to prevent the growing influence of the Neo-Colonialists, to promote democratic values and, (to some extent) to promote decolonisation.

Dormill and Stiura was one of the old powers that joined the Neo-Imperialist sentiment, angered by the efforts of the memorandum to prevent it from growing its influence, seeing the memorandum as nothing more than an excuse for its old rival Noronica to maintain its own power. The Keomoran Empire felt very much the same, resisting the memorandum by refusing to follow through with any of its clauses. Keomora desired to cultivate its own growing influence and resented the fact that other powers were trying to prevent their cause.

Belle Ilse en Terre and Norstham were both heavy supporters of the Neo-Colonialists, as they were themselves wanting to nurture and grow their own colonial interests around the Isles. They swiftly grew suspicious of the memorandum, desiring to prevent its ratification at all costs, seeing it as an affront on their growing power in the region.

Many in the Magarati Dominion were greatly angered by the Government in Nolon supporting the memorandum, as they desired to grow Magarati influence around the Isles if they were to become independent from Noronica. Protests were held in Libang by pro-Magarati groups, increasing the desire for independence tenfold. When independence finally came in 1928, the newly declared Empire of Magarat sought to remove any influence of the memorandum that Noronica imposed on them previously.

The Noronnican Empire had grown satisfied with its size, instead desiring to consolidate rather than expand further. The liberal Noronnican Government wished to push for Noronica to enter into a policing-role, seeing the Noronnican Empire as having a responsibility to ensure peace and stability in the region, especially after its failure in the Second Miklanian Independence War and after the decolonisation of the Magarati Dominion. With this in mind, Noronica took to becoming much less aggressive, instead adopting a deterrent policy in which its military influence would serve as a warning to others. However, as the Neo-Colonialist faction grew into fruition, Noronica took to supporting the memorandum, wishing to maintain its power and slow the unstoppable aggressive growth of newer powers.

Altera, Wellsia and the Magarati Dominion were all granted seats at the conference, despite their presence being met with suspicion by many of the other nations due to their status within the Noronnican Empire, as they were seen as being extra Noronnican votes. Assured that this was not the case, the Dominions were allowed access to the conference.

Miklania, despite hostilities and suspicion towards the Noronnican Empire due to the prior Second Miklanian Independence War, agreed whole-heartedly to the conference, due to its own increasing military influence and its desire to hamper colonialism once and for all. It desired also to spite Noronica, preventing it from trying to expand any further and maintaining a close eye on the old colonial power. Corindia was very much the same, careful to add its own desire for regional peace and the prevention of an arms race.

The Thuzbek Republic, a budding new Republic, sought to increase its international legitimacy by becoming a signatory of the memorandum. Domanania was the same, as a growing power in the region, it wanted to show itself to be a part of the greater international decisions made by the traditional powers.

The Government of Verdon, in a move to increase its public support, supported the memorandum as a sign of the end of Verdonian troops on foreign soil.

With the disbanding of the Linavian Empire inevitable, Linaviar also supported the memorandum in an attempt to encourage public support at home and prevent the rise of revanchist groups. There was also a desire to encourage international stability, allowing for the transition from Empire to Republic to be as smooth as possible.

San Montagna took to becoming an ardent supporter of the memorandum when the Empire of Magarat grew into fruition, as Magarati aggression had been a major issue for the San Montagnan people and its Government, who sought to maintain their independence from any of the regional powers.

Polar Svalbard had come out of redeeming itself as a nation 30 years prior to the memorandum and its most recent act on the international stage was helping Miklania gain and sustain independence. With a large growing military influence, Polar Svalbard felt it necessary to attend the conference, especially to help legitimize its new ally in Miklania.
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:00 am

And Polar Svalbard was just there.

For real terms though Polar Svalbard had come out of redeeming itself as a nation 30 years prior and its most recent act on the international stage was helping Miklania gain independence. With a large navy Polar Svalbard felt it necessary to attend this conference, especially to help legitimize its new ally in Miklania.
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Postby Miklania » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:14 pm

Most excellent sir, thank you.

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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:52 pm

All good with me, Noronic
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Postby San Montagna » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:52 pm

Its okay with me.
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Postby Noronica » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:01 am

Thanks guys. If there are any more changes please tell me.

If everything is in order, I think it would be best to add this to the master IW1 dispatch Miklania?

Polar Svalbard - I have added your section with a little edit.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:00 pm

Noronica wrote:-snip-

Neat. You perfectly explained the situation :)

One thing, could my capital be just called called Libang (actually it's Liba Hang as in "Ruler's Rest" but I think it makes sense to say that most foreigners mis-spelt it as Libang and the name stuck)? The "New" part was added in the 1980s after the end of the three decades long civil war in Cold War era.
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Postby Noronica » Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:13 am

Athara Magarat wrote:
Noronica wrote:-snip-

Neat. You perfectly explained the situation :)

One thing, could my capital be just called called Libang (actually it's Liba Hang as in "Ruler's Rest" but I think it makes sense to say that most foreigners mis-spelt it as Libang and the name stuck)? The "New" part was added in the 1980s after the end of the three decades long civil war in Cold War era.

Thanks! Edited that bit now.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:22 am

Noronica wrote:Thanks! Edited that bit now.

Cool! Thanks.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:34 am

I'm really not sure what my role would be here. Essentially we would be fighting ostehaar but staying out of it otherwise.
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