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Postby Roendavar » Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:20 am

In response to Dorm's timeline and Ainslie's post,

Ainslie wrote:Roendavar
  • You mention being involved with espionage work, especially against the Neo-Imperialists. Perhaps you could be a part of the group trying to keep Charbagnia from uprising against the empire in the middle of a war?


Sounds good. Could be part of a deal for Roendavar to eventually receive assistance in the future in exchange for our involvement in Charbagnia through the HEI. I've already established that the HEI would have been operating throughout TWI as early as 1931 so this is probable.

Ainslie wrote:We need a location for the post-war trials and the imprisonment of various war criminals. Anyone want to volunteer for that? Especially for taking Dormill’s failed dictator?


As for where the trials could be done, I am open to any place, although, if anyone doesn't take it, it could be done in Roendavar at the city of Misanthril (which was the first city to fall to Doraltic hands). I would imagine the Roendavareil government would be outraged by the whole war and would seek reparations. We'd love to have them tried and carted off to their deaths. Would also connect with my planned history with the HEI and IW1 and the eventual Shadow Over Gael.

Ainslie wrote:Should we make the International District (which didn’t have any of its proper government buildings but rather was a bunch of mobs at the time) neo-imperialist? It seems to be a logical move, given Magarat is next door. That could really mess up trade and weaken the Free Powers by complicating the way they’d need to do things.


Neo-Imperialist for the ID, yes.

Ainslie wrote:What would cause you to enter this war? Would the annexation of Arvan be enough? The activities at the Canal? The invasion of San Montagna? Some other factor? The invasion of Roendavar? Let us know - this is really important in making the headcanon more detailed and interesting.


Invasion of Roendavar obvs.

Ainslie wrote:Let us know if you will sign the Rickemonde (Decolonisation + stopping more colonialism) Accords or the Naval Limitations Treaty.


We would be a reluctant supporter of the accords. The conservative government echoed the dream of re-establishing the Empire of Corinthus and they thought that a war would be able to have Roendavar gain something. The invasion would eventually trash that plan and the conservative government would be ousted from power.

DRAFT NEW TIMELINE


July, 1940 - De Vries is welcomed in Roendavar as part of the Themasaliel Decree that offered santuary to any foreign citizen regardless of their status. The HEI welcomes him and his supporters in the port of Misanthril during a covert operation and was transferred to the Gold Mansion in Dociara.
November, 1940 - Several Doraltic agents infiltrate Roendavar in search of De Vries. They would be successful in confirming that De Vries is in Dociara. The Roendavareil government was informed by the HEI of this act and they publicly acknowledged De Vries.
November 14, 1940 - Celion Cornelius Decebal Avantharin Iralethias releases a statement rejecting Doraltic demands, reminding the Doraltic side of the sanctity of neutrality and asylum in Roendavar. The Roendavareil High Council and most of the population echoes the sentiment of the King.
November 20, 1940 - Dormill and Stiura crosses the Stenon River and besieges the towns of Faerin and Relanthir. The Battle of Roendavar, known in Roendavar as "The Awakening" starts. They are captured within a day.
November 29, 1940 - Misanthril falls to the invaders and becomes the main site where Roendavarian civilians and POWs are sent. The Roendavareil Royal Army is regrouped and defensive lines are established at the borders of Vastaros. Vastarosi Thronai Cinderil Valathvarin Selvianu issues the Vastarosi Guard to defend the cities of Xelionil and Safirial.
December 10, 1940 - Safirial falls and one-fourths of the Vastarosi Guard is either killed or surrendered to enemy forces. Selvianu moves to Xelionil to lead the resistance himself.
December 12, 1940 - The Battle of Xelionil begins. Fierce fighting erupts all around the city, resulting in high casualties on both sides.
December 25, 1940 - Xelionil is captured and razed by the enemy forces. Defensive lines are pulled back to the outskirts of Lantaroci. Selvianu disappears as Xelionil surrenders and Haldeil Valeinan Cailaen assumes the position of temporary Thronai.The fall of Xelionil and the disappearance of Selvianu pushed the conservative government to enact mandatory conscription for the very first time in Roendavar's history.
January 8, 1941 - Days before the Feast of Iralia, enemy forces engage the Roendavareil Royal Army in Lantaroci, in Thersos, and in Wieras.
January 15, 1941 - The Roendavareil Royal Army retreats and abandons Thersos and Wieras, allowing it to be captured by enemy forces and opens the Corcalien Road to Dociara, directly threatening the capital city. The RRA hunkers down at the city of Althoros.
April 2, 1941 - The city of Althoros falls. The same day, enemy forces cross the Gate of Daisies, entering the outskirts of the city of Dociara. This would be the very first time that a foreign enemy force has reached the ancient city, fueling public outrage in Roendavar against the government and the Doraltic forces. The citizens of Althoros and the outskirts of Dociara employ a scorched earth tactic as they fled to Dociara.
April 5, 1941 - Riots erupt in Dociara over the perceived cowardice and failures of the Government of 1931, mainly composed of conservatives, monarchists, and unionists who took power after Arkhail. The High Council was stormed and the government subsequently surrendered to the people. The interim government, made up of the liberals and the Greens, took power and Araedel Circasius Olrien was appointed Thoraen.
April 6, 1941 - Celion Cornelius Decebal appeals to the people to take arms against the "foreign invaders". Known as the Emerald Address, it was broadcasted throughout the country and many were roused to war. Roendavar formally declares itself as a Free Power. Throughout the following months, thousands of Roendavarians from all walks of life, even women and children, from different cities and towns left their homes in caravans carrying supplies and offered help. While they all went to the frontlines, most of them especially Andavarians, called the Eathaielen (The Hopeful), poured through the western gates of Dociara and the frontline cities and joined the defense of the country.
April 19, 1941 - The Battle of Dociara, known in Roendavar as the Test of the Eternal City, begins as Doraltic forces cross the Perlos River. The entire city of Dociara was roused to defend.
May 4, 1941 - Through the combined efforts of the Roendavareil Royal Army and Roendavarian citizens, the Doraltic advance, which was already slow due to the HEI and the Vastarosi resistance harassing supply lines and fierce fighting by both the RRA and the citizenry, was halted at the Theirin Cliffs.
1942 to 1943- The war stagnates in Roendavar. The Doraltic forces are unable to capture Lantaroci due to its defenses and the support of the Roendavareil Navy and the defensive line in Dociara remains strong. Roendavar slowly builds up its defense as Doraltic forces are preoccupied on other fronts.
March 17, 1944 - Doraltic forces captures the town of Veithan. RRA retreats to the city of Caenera.
May 21, 1944 - The city of Aelceir is captured by the invading force. The remaining Vastarosi Guard retreats to the state capital of Lantaroci and joins the defense of the city.
January 14, 1945 - Three days after the day of Unification and two days after the Feast of Iralia, the Doraltic line broke after the RRA and the HEI manage to launch a covert attack. The Miracle of Vladiras, as it was called, saw Doraltic positions fall all across Vastaros and eastern Andavar for the following weeks. The retreating Doraltic forces would continously be harassed by Roendavareil elements. Selvianu resurfaces and is officially confirmed by the HEI as the leader of the Vastarosi Resistance.
January 18, 1945 - The Roendavareil Royal Army successfully crosses the River Faris and engages the already weakened Doraltic force. The siege is lifted and Doraltic forces are forced to retreat. Captured soldiers and civillians at Misanthril were executed en masse by the weakening Doraltic force. It would be remembered as the Misanthril Massacre.
January 21, 1945 - Allies of Roendavar from the Free Powers arrive in the city of Constantiara as they prepare for the invasion of Dormill and Stiura. Much of western Vastaros have been liberated while retreating Doraltic soldiers still occupied the east.
January 30, 1945 - Misanthril was liberated by a combination of the Vastarosi Resistance, the RRA, and the HEI, after a series of engagements within the city. The last of the Doraltic forces retreated across the border.
February 1, 1945 - Roendavar is declared liberated by Celion Cornelius Decebal amidst celebrations across the country. Cinderil Valathvarin Selvianu was appointed as the head of the Roendavareil Expeditionary Force that would join the united Free Powers invasion of Dormill and Stiura.

Note esp to Dorm: I changed a few things but I followed your timeline. Let me know if you want anything changed.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:41 pm

I am sorry Ioudaia but the canon has changed. So we no longer have 18 or so states under foreign occupation.

Instead there is a peacekeeping mission ASAP after Imperial War (totally not foreign occupation) in the Magarati Federation. The Ipachis in east and the Khumbuwanis in north had sided with Free Powers during the Imperial War; hoping to get their own countries. The Ipachis got their wish, the Khumbuwanis did not.

Previously, what I agreed with Noronica was that Liba Hangate and Mahakirat Hangate started the canal project but they bankrupted themselves (particularly because they were fighting in the Great Gael War/War of the Khas-Kirati Succession). These two hangates sold their territory to Noronica to remove their debts. If Torom agrees, we could have the rich and neutral Torom buy what is now southern Torom from these two hangates. This could be why the fascists in Empire of Magarat consider southern Torom and the canal "this belongs to us".

Aye, many battles have to be redrawn.

Also Ainslie, Nyssics and Domans were not the only non-KKs who were rounded up. In the Khas-Kirat Empire, Nyssics and Domans and (most) non-KKs had long been exempt from military service by paying special taxes. The fascists in the Empire of Magarat wanted non-KK families to send at least one of their sons to fill the ranks of the ever-growing Imperial Magarati Armed Forces and "proving loyalty". It just happened that most of the people put into concentration camps were Nyssics and Domans (since they were the largest non-KK groups).

And yeah, the Noronnicans left in 1928 after facing large violent protests they felt could erupt into a war.

The Doman-Magarati War actually started a year later in 1938 (a ten year treaty imposed by Noronica on Magaratis in 1928 forbidding war and the fascists using the time to militarize).

And instead of just one Battle of Karnali Sea in 1944 (this was done back when Keomora and Dragao do Mar existed and a battle there does not make sense now), I instead propose the the Battle of Wake Islands in 1944 and several other battles. And setting in Wake Islands allows for more Free Powers/Neo-Imperialist nations to be involved.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:22 am

Aka, this one instead of the Karnali Sea battle

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Magarati navy is hopeless after this. And this is one of the primary reason for why the Doman-Magarati War finally ends.
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Postby Torom » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:33 am

Athara Magarat wrote:Instead there is a peacekeeping mission ASAP after Imperial War (totally not foreign occupation) in the Magarati Federation. The Ipachis in east and the Khumbuwanis in north had sided with Free Powers during the Imperial War; hoping to get their own countries. The Ipachis got their wish, the Khumbuwanis did not.

Previously, what I agreed with Noronica was that Liba Hangate and Mahakirat Hangate started the canal project but they bankrupted themselves (particularly because they were fighting in the Great Gael War/War of the Khas-Kirati Succession). These two hangates sold their territory to Noronica to remove their debts. If Torom agrees, we could have the rich and neutral Torom buy what is now southern Torom from these two hangates. This could be why the fascists in Empire of Magarat consider southern Torom and the canal "this belongs to us".


It would be interesting in that scenario since Segentova would have me in his sphere of influence at least by the time of the war. Segen wants to have a Panama situation with me so he could grab the canal. If Segen is up to it, I'd be down to have it be Kirati-built and then just bought off by Segen/Torom to cover debts.

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Regarding the status of Altera; it's safe to assume that - if everyone is happy with it - we should resume to role of the Noronican Empire (or in this case, the Alteran Commonwealth of Nations)

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Postby Jeriga » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:07 am

Alteran Republics wrote:Regarding the status of Altera; it's safe to assume that - if everyone is happy with it - we should resume to role of the Noronican Empire (or in this case, the Alteran Commonwealth of Nations)

If people are happy with that, I'll try to be in contact soon to outline a few key crucial dates.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:32 am

Torom wrote:
It would be interesting in that scenario since Segentova would have me in his sphere of influence at least by the time of the war. Segen wants to have a Panama situation with me so he could grab the canal. If Segen is up to it, I'd be down to have it be Kirati-built and then just bought off by Segen/Torom to cover debts.

This is great.

Since Altera moved places, I was actually thinking of reasons I needed to declare war on Segen. If Torom is a Segen sphereling, no need do declare wars everytime.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:09 am

Roendavar wrote:In response to Dorm's timeline and Ainslie's post,
DRAFT NEW TIMELINE


July, 1940 - De Vries is welcomed in Roendavar as part of the Themasaliel Decree that offered santuary to any foreign citizen regardless of their status. The HEI welcomes him and his supporters in the port of Misanthril during a covert operation and was transferred to the Gold Mansion in Dociara.
November, 1940 - Several Doraltic agents infiltrate Roendavar in search of De Vries. They would be successful in confirming that De Vries is in Dociara. The Roendavareil government was informed by the HEI of this act and they publicly acknowledged De Vries.
November 14, 1940 - Celion Cornelius Decebal Avantharin Iralethias releases a statement rejecting Doraltic demands, reminding the Doraltic side of the sanctity of neutrality and asylum in Roendavar. The Roendavareil High Council and most of the population echoes the sentiment of the King.
November 20, 1940 - Dormill and Stiura crosses the Stenon River and besieges the towns of Faerin and Relanthir. The Battle of Roendavar, known in Roendavar as "The Awakening" starts. They are captured within a day.
November 29, 1940 - Misanthril falls to the invaders and becomes the main site where Roendavarian civilians and POWs are sent. The Roendavareil Royal Army is regrouped and defensive lines are established at the borders of Vastaros. Vastarosi Thronai Cinderil Valathvarin Selvianu issues the Vastarosi Guard to defend the cities of Xelionil and Safirial.
December 10, 1940 - Safirial falls and one-fourths of the Vastarosi Guard is either killed or surrendered to enemy forces. Selvianu moves to Xelionil to lead the resistance himself.
December 12, 1940 - The Battle of Xelionil begins. Fierce fighting erupts all around the city, resulting in high casualties on both sides.
December 25, 1940 - Xelionil is captured and razed by the enemy forces. Defensive lines are pulled back to the outskirts of Lantaroci. Selvianu disappears as Xelionil surrenders and Haldeil Valeinan Cailaen assumes the position of temporary Thronai.The fall of Xelionil and the disappearance of Selvianu pushed the conservative government to enact mandatory conscription for the very first time in Roendavar's history.
January 8, 1941 - Days before the Feast of Iralia, enemy forces engage the Roendavareil Royal Army in Lantaroci, in Thersos, and in Wieras.
January 15, 1941 - The Roendavareil Royal Army retreats and abandons Thersos and Wieras, allowing it to be captured by enemy forces and opens the Corcalien Road to Dociara, directly threatening the capital city. The RRA hunkers down at the city of Althoros.
April 2, 1941 - The city of Althoros falls. The same day, enemy forces cross the Gate of Daisies, entering the outskirts of the city of Dociara. This would be the very first time that a foreign enemy force has reached the ancient city, fueling public outrage in Roendavar against the government and the Doraltic forces. The citizens of Althoros and the outskirts of Dociara employ a scorched earth tactic as they fled to Dociara.
April 5, 1941 - Riots erupt in Dociara over the perceived cowardice and failures of the Government of 1931, mainly composed of conservatives, monarchists, and unionists who took power after Arkhail. The High Council was stormed and the government subsequently surrendered to the people. The interim government, made up of the liberals and the Greens, took power and Araedel Circasius Olrien was appointed Thoraen.
April 6, 1941 - Celion Cornelius Decebal appeals to the people to take arms against the "foreign invaders". Known as the Emerald Address, it was broadcasted throughout the country and many were roused to war. Roendavar formally declares itself as a Free Power. Throughout the following months, thousands of Roendavarians from all walks of life, even women and children, from different cities and towns left their homes in caravans carrying supplies and offered help. While they all went to the frontlines, most of them especially Andavarians, called the Eathaielen (The Hopeful), poured through the western gates of Dociara and the frontline cities and joined the defense of the country.
April 19, 1941 - The Battle of Dociara, known in Roendavar as the Test of the Eternal City, begins as Doraltic forces cross the Perlos River. The entire city of Dociara was roused to defend.
May 4, 1941 - Through the combined efforts of the Roendavareil Royal Army and Roendavarian citizens, the Doraltic advance, which was already slow due to the HEI and the Vastarosi resistance harassing supply lines and fierce fighting by both the RRA and the citizenry, was halted at the Theirin Cliffs.
1942 to 1943- The war stagnates in Roendavar. The Doraltic forces are unable to capture Lantaroci due to its defenses and the support of the Roendavareil Navy and the defensive line in Dociara remains strong. Roendavar slowly builds up its defense as Doraltic forces are preoccupied on other fronts.
March 17, 1944 - Doraltic forces captures the town of Veithan. RRA retreats to the city of Caenera.
May 21, 1944 - The city of Aelceir is captured by the invading force. The remaining Vastarosi Guard retreats to the state capital of Lantaroci and joins the defense of the city.
January 14, 1945 - Three days after the day of Unification and two days after the Feast of Iralia, the Doraltic line broke after the RRA and the HEI manage to launch a covert attack. The Miracle of Vladiras, as it was called, saw Doraltic positions fall all across Vastaros and eastern Andavar for the following weeks. The retreating Doraltic forces would continously be harassed by Roendavareil elements. Selvianu resurfaces and is officially confirmed by the HEI as the leader of the Vastarosi Resistance.
January 18, 1945 - The Roendavareil Royal Army successfully crosses the River Faris and engages the already weakened Doraltic force. The siege is lifted and Doraltic forces are forced to retreat. Captured soldiers and civillians at Misanthril were executed en masse by the weakening Doraltic force. It would be remembered as the Misanthril Massacre.
January 21, 1945 - Allies of Roendavar from the Free Powers arrive in the city of Constantiara as they prepare for the invasion of Dormill and Stiura. Much of western Vastaros have been liberated while retreating Doraltic soldiers still occupied the east.
January 30, 1945 - Misanthril was liberated by a combination of the Vastarosi Resistance, the RRA, and the HEI, after a series of engagements within the city. The last of the Doraltic forces retreated across the border.
February 1, 1945 - Roendavar is declared liberated by Celion Cornelius Decebal amidst celebrations across the country. Cinderil Valathvarin Selvianu was appointed as the head of the Roendavareil Expeditionary Force that would join the united Free Powers invasion of Dormill and Stiura.

Note esp to Dorm: I changed a few things but I followed your timeline. Let me know if you want anything changed.

Nothing to change here, I like how this feels. However, I do want to add one more thing that I brought up in Shadow over Gael that I want to keep, the Rush of Stelias Hill. This will be in some time during mid-to-late 1944 as it is the last time Denisian forces in Dociara held the advantage and went on the offensive as they attempted to rush the defenses built at the summit of the very hill. After this moment and for the rest of the war, Doraltic forces would slowly succumb to the three long years of attrition leading up to the Miracle of Vladiras.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:55 am

Fronts of the Imperial War


Disclaimer: Although they are important on their own right, events such as the Khas Kirati - Tsunter Partition of San Montagna (which starts the Imperial War according to the new canon), Khas-Kirati Invasion of Solaryia or the Keverai Campaign are not counted as "fronts".

Doman War Front (1938 - 1944)

The Khas-Kirati Invasion of Domananian starts in 1938 and became yet another front of the Imperial War from 1941. After losing most of their Western Fleet in the major naval Battle of North Mesder Sea (which is further divided into four different naval engagements) in late 1944 and Estral Invasion of KK-occupied San Montagna becoming evident, the KK Empire recalls it forces back to its mainland and this war ends in Domananian+alles being victorious.

Neo-Imperialists: Khas-Kirat Empire
Free Powers: Domanania, Ioudaia

Gael Front (1940 - 1947)

The Gael Front starts in November 1940 after Doraltic forces invade Roendavar. Like with Doman War Front, it too becomes part of the broader Imperial War after March 1941. In 1946, the Free Powers invade DS and a year later, fascist leader Ludovic Denis surrenders from his prison cell.

Neo-Imperialists: Dormill and Stiura
Free Powers: Roendavar, TBD Free Powers

Canal War Front (1942 - 1947)

The Canal Front starts with the Khas-Kirati Invasion of Torom in January 1942. As Torom is under Segentova's sphere, this brings the latter to war as well. Fierce fighting from both sides continues until the Free Powers are able to push the KKs all the way back. In 1947, the Canal Front ends as the Free Powers Invasion of Vendriothos (Magarat) begins.

Neo-Imperialists: Khas-Kirat Empire
Free Powers: Torom, Segentova, Weinam

Southern Front (1941 - 1946)

In the aftermath of the Khas Kirati - Tsunter Partition of San Montagna, the Tsunters occupy most of San Montagna coastal areas while the KKs take the interior. Overconfident with their victory and new style called "Hurrican Warfare" that involves extensive use of carriers, the Tsunters invade Aizcona the same year. Tsunter naval tactics prove effective against the Estrals (denonym of people from Aizcona) but prove ineffective at land. The Southern Front turned into a war of attrition as Tsunter soldiers were trapped in hostile port cities under siege by Estral forces. In 1943, Jeriga joins the war on the side of the Free Powers and by 1945, the Free Powers rapidly progress into Tsunterlands. Khas-Kirat Empire and the United Partitions are forced to send their forces to help the Tsunters but to no use. The Free Powers Liberation of San Montagna also begins just as the Tsunter capital is overtaken in mid-1946.

Neo-Imperialists: The Tsunterlands, The United Partitions, Khas-Kirat Empire
Free Powers: Aizcona, Jeriga, TBD Free Powers
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Postby Aruia » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:42 am

during the Imperial war initially Aruia would strike down an airforce trying to penetrate its airspace and naval space.
What i think from there on either forces would invade Aruia to be used as a launching point for artillery, air and naval operations from its geographical point as well as payload and force movement by trains
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:46 am

Aruia wrote:during the Imperial war initially Aruia would strike down an airforce trying to penetrate its airspace and naval space.
What i think from there on either forces would invade Aruia to be used as a launching point for artillery, air and naval operations from its geographical point as well as payload and force movement by trains

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Postby Aizcona » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:13 am

An interesting thing with the movement of the canal into Aizcona, I’d like there to be a special Tsunter operation that makes it so the Estral Southern Seas fleet can’t use the canal. I’m WW2 I believe there was planned operations for the Italians to capture the Sues Canal and then damage it in ways that it would take months to years to fix which would have cut the British empire apart from each other. I think they would be a fun thing to do here, in this case the Tsunters launch an attack early in the war that captures the Mesder end for long enough to cause serious damage to it and while they are pushed out, it is not soon enough to stop the Canal from being put out of commission for at least a year, along with that we can have them pop up every now and then to disrupt efforts to fix the canal. This makes it so we can have thr skirmishes off the cape of Martenyika
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Postby Wellsia » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:31 am

Aizcona wrote:An interesting thing with the movement of the canal into Aizcona, I’d like there to be a special Tsunter operation that makes it so the Estral Southern Seas fleet can’t use the canal. I’m WW2 I believe there was planned operations for the Italians to capture the Sues Canal and then damage it in ways that it would take months to years to fix which would have cut the British empire apart from each other. I think they would be a fun thing to do here, in this case the Tsunters launch an attack early in the war that captures the Mesder end for long enough to cause serious damage to it and while they are pushed out, it is not soon enough to stop the Canal from being put out of commission for at least a year, along with that we can have them pop up every now and then to disrupt efforts to fix the canal. This makes it so we can have thr skirmishes off the cape of Martenyika


This was also a major concern of the US Navy and the Panama Canal, and until it was determined that there was no chance of attack major naval, air force and army units were kept there.

Also I would like to include Wellsia in the war. sending troops to assist the Keverai and Estral. The bulk of the army will be sent to Keverai is a failed attempt to stop the United Partitions invasion. The Wellsian Army will be poorly armed and equipped, the disaster will lead to a Pusan enclave. Which up to the powers that be can either continue to be a thorn in the Neo-Imperialist or be a Bataan/Crete disaster for Wellsia.
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Postby Aizcona » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:50 am

Could have a analog to Dunkirk with the Estral Southern Seas fleet needing to evacuate the Wellsia forces from Keverai
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I think you need to tone down your losses, winning armies rarely take as heavy losses as loosing ones. Most casualties happen after the battle is fought and the defeated force’s organization breaks down.

Aziconia, thought about the Dunkirk idea as well, would be more realistic with the defeated Wellsian Army being evacuated to your territory. The remainder and then be retrained and rearmed for use on your front with The Tsunterland and UP.
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Postby Ainslie » Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:15 pm

Aizcona wrote:Could have a analog to Dunkirk with the Estral Southern Seas fleet needing to evacuate the Wellsia forces from Keverai

United Partitions was looking to invade all of Keverai so that could definitely work out provided that Wellsia and yourself agree. We'll turn the battle of seswick into a retreat instead of a successful defence.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:53 pm

Wellsia wrote:
I think you need to tone down your losses, winning armies rarely take as heavy losses as loosing ones. Most casualties happen after the battle is fought and the defeated force’s organization breaks down.

Aziconia, thought about the Dunkirk idea as well, would be more realistic with the defeated Wellsian Army being evacuated to your territory. The remainder and then be retrained and rearmed for use on your front with The Tsunterland and UP.

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Postby Alteran Republics » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:09 pm

So, it's been a while since I moved and I have a lot of my basic lore in place; so I'll begin outlining and addressing Altera's new role:

What's changed?
The major change is down largely to our location. No longer in Argus, bordering Athara Magarati territory, the majority of our war effort will not be focused on repelling invaders from our own lands and retaking the canal. In our new location in Raedlon/Mesder, we're fairly isolated from direct conflict; thus on the outbreak of war there would be - as far as I'm aware - no direct threat to Altera.

Secondly, no longer a colony nation - but the head of a respectable coalition of nations (the Alteran Republican Commonwealth) - we are no longer at the whim of a colonial overlord. This would give Altera greater access to resources and additional forces.

Imperial War - the Initial Fight
No longer sharing a land border with a direct adversary does mean that Altera would likely (for now at least) mean we won't be having the bulk of our forces in position to face off against enemies. Whilst I contemplated having forces in Keverai on the outbreak of war - Ainslie has rightly pointed out earlier that this would not seem practical or likely, as Altera has no real military interest or investment in the small republic. Therefore, on the outbreak of war, Altera would have forces based in:
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> Aprosia (mixed of colonial forces and locally raised, poorly equipped 'native' regiments)

This may expand as more nations join the Commonwealth.

In which case, Altera would be somewhat prepared for conflict - but would struggle to launch support and counter-invasions as the nation gears up for war.

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If possible, Altera's ultimate role within the Imperial War could be largely supportive in the early days - maintaining maritime trade routes, producing munitions and arms for allies, whilst employing small commando-style attacks on enemy positions and infrastructure. Being an aerospace 'superpower' naturally I'd like to have the Alteran Air Defence Force carrying out bombing raids - in increasing capacity and destruction - as the war rages on; using a mixture of our own air bases, and those in allied nations.

Later on in the war, we can join in naval landings, other counter-invasions and liberations of Free Power nations; but for most of the war I think we could be the "Arsenal of the Free World".

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I think Weinam will need to seek 'Arsenal' from Altera since it has a very lengthy campaign against Athara Magerat in Argus.
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Keomora wrote:We need a new map. And I need to decide on which side.

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Postby Ainslie » Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:00 am

keverai factbook is written up for IW1 - https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1557663

Let me know if you've got any ideas, would like any changes or want to get involved.
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Keomora wrote:We need a new map. And I need to decide on which side.

Yeah, like Altera said. You better join the Free Powers.

I imagine Neo-Imperialists mostly being in the "center" (Argus or Gael or Raedlon).
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