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Postby Miklania » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:26 am

Brulafi, remind me of where you stand at the beginning of the war. Aizcona not being in the same spot as Polar Svalbard has introduced a few plot holes to the existing beginning of the war narrative.

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Postby Miklania » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:51 am

Alrighty, here's a basic plot structure for the war. Hopefully people can start to fill in details if there's a framework to build on.

1941: Initial invasions. Almorea, Alteran Republics, and Brulafi(?) fall to the invading hordes. Armies retreat to Noronica and Aizcona. Miklania, Razzgriz, and others join the war.

1942: Air and naval campaigns are waged to establish control over lines of communications. Miklania invades Belle Isla en Terre, knocking most of it out of the war. Aizcona holds the line at its borders. Noronica fights for control of the Argean.

1943: Status quo is largely maintained. Allies have mostly won sea control. Paratan(?) invaded/liberated/commandeered by allies as airbase for bombing into Keomora and others. Invasions are prepared. Aizcona and friends advance into occupied Brulafi.

1944: Noronica and exiles land in Alteran Republics, and make progress until they are bogged down near the canal. Miklania attempts to invade San Montagna, but the attack bogs down and ultimately fails. After much arguing, Miklanian forces are sent north to open a second northern front in Tracera(?) or Almorea. This relieves pressure on the Noronicans and forces push towards AM.

1945: Aizcona has advanced to the southern border of San Montagna. Significant Miklanian forces are redeployed again to the south to support the invasion. San Montagna is liberated. Fighting in the north stagnates again.

1946: Status quo as all land fronts are bogged down, in no small part due to a resurgence in Neo-Imp naval activity. Open for minor powers and actions away from the main theaters.

1947: Breakthroughs achieved in both north and south. Allied forces link up and AM knocked out by end of year. Invasions of Radelon planned.

1948: War resolved, either by invasions, nuclear bombs, or socio-economic pressure.

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Postby Miklania » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:13 am

I have plans for a few specific battles, mostly ones that concern my forces:

1943: Miklanian Battleship Ascendant Spear, the oldest and most famous ship in the RMN (the one that dealt the final blow to the Noronicans in the Second Independence War), while escorting a convoy from surface raiders encounters the most formidable Keomoran raider ever built. The Spear delays the raider long enough for the convoy to escape, but is sunk in the process. The RMN swears to avenge the pride of the fleet, and the hunt is on.

1944: Battle of [insert]: First time Miklanian and Noronican forces fight side-by-side. Rivalries are put aside to overcome the strong Magarati-manned defenses around the canal.

1945 or 1946: Battle of [insert]: Last mighty clash between battleships. A Keomoran surface fleet, sent out to destroy the ports and convoys supplying the northern flank, meets with a combined allied battle fleet. Appalling Argean weather keeps aircraft neutralized for much of the action. The allies are forced to rely on a screen of surface combatants to keep the opposing force at bay. Keomoran battleships, including a super battleship, engage with Miklanian, Noronican, and Estran (Aizcona) battleships. Keomoran forces ultimately sunk or driven off, saving allied logistics.

1945 or 1946: Battle of [insert], "[insert] Turkey Shoot": Simultaneous plan to destroy Miklanian beachhead in San Montagna, defeated mostly by Miklanian, Estran, and Osean carrier aircraft.

1947: Battle of Arun Valley: First place where northern and southern allied forces meet. Miklanian and Noronican mechanized formations converge from opposite directions on strong AM defensive positions, and in intense 4-day battle destroy them in detail, crushing what is left of AM's armored forces, and dealing a decisive blow to the entire country's morale. Mountain fighting is not as intense or protracted as it could be as a result, and the country falls within a year.

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Postby Austrovik-Germania » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:41 pm

Miklania (and others),
On the subject of such a timeline, honestly I see no problem with it but I'm just going to let it be known that I have a plan to be involved i the Imperial War somehow. I'm not sure exactly why yet, the details are still a bit misty, but I reckon Austrovik-Germania may play a rather large role if it owned Martenyika, which, if you take a look at the regional map, is a rather large portion of Southern Argus and also is rich (according to the player behind Martenyika) in iron ore.


If Austrovik-Germania were to somehow be allied with one of the major Neo-Colonialist powers - I think the best choice being Belle Isle - and due to this seperate agreement be dragged into the war on the side of said powers, it could have a much larger impact than even I realised. It also bares in mind that I also owned Paratan at the time (if he is no longer active I may have to request for the island to become an NPC nation in his absence).


Taking a look at the geopolitics of the regional map, due to the fact Austrovik-Germania is in such a location that it is, it presents the Republic of Miklania with a dilemma, if you will. Again, looking at the map, you can see that Belle Isle, myself and Marten (then Austrovik Sudenargus) create a sort of "Triangle of Death" if you will. I still believe the Free Powers would be able to overcome this but the fact of the matter is it would be much harder. However, it also presents myself with a sustainability problem; I would estimate around 40-50% of iron ore at that time came from Sudenargus and if that were to be cut off somehow then it could cause serious issues.


Furthermore, Austrovik-Germania, unlike Belle who went down a more cavalry-based tank approach, much like the British Cruiser tanks of the 30s and early 40s (or at least how I see it), Austrovik-Germania went down a path which had effectively two seperate branches. On the one hand, the monarchy and many of the leading officers in the then Rijkswehr saw the "Land Battleship" approach very effective, and as a result many of the Austrovik tanks eventually became comparable to the PzKmpfw VII Tiger I tank, or maybe the russian IS-1, or KV-2. Heavy, scary, amazing armament but stupidly unreliable and slow (maybe hitting a top of a very maximum of 25 miles per). On the other hand, you had many private companies such as Schyster and Krupp and Übermacht Motors pushing for a tank approach similar if not more extreme than Belle. They opted for light, fast and nimble little critters like the PzKmpfw I A and B and probably reaching a zenith at something like a Cromwell. This creates a real inequality on the battlefield, with some divisions stuck with many fast tanks and some with too many larger heavy ones. Not to mention my production rate plummeted probably after the second year of fighting and also due to the larger industrial capability of the Free Powers and the fall of Belle.


It is also important in my history that the Free Powers occupy my country in three seperate zones, which all later unify into the new State of Austrovik-Germania, before the rise of Proletarianism in the 60s. As a result, I could see a outcome where at first Austrovik-Germania is holding off the attacks, but as Martenyika (Austrovik Sudenargus) becomes liberated along with Paratan (Austrovik Paratun) and the collapse of Belle Ilse I could se Austrovik-Germania surrendering somewhere around 1944 or 1945.


On the subject of Naval combat, I think Austrovik-Germania would be a whole lot more like Japan in that they had amazing battleships but the materials just weren't there to keep up with the losses. I don't see any Yamatos or things like that being made by the old colonial AG but certainly some pretty powerful vessels. Maybe a large naval battle off the coast of Belle could occur with some my my ships battering Free Power vessels. However, one thing I am sure about is that Austrovik-Germania does not dabble in aircraft carrier ideas until the 50s, much like Nazi Germany during its existence, and maybe only three carriers tops are produced, one of which is jsut a retrofitted battlecruiser maybe.


Air combat would probably also follow suit of the Germans in WW2 in that it was just too much demand for the producers to handle. I could see Schyster producing amazing aircraft and diver-bombers but frequent Free Power bombing and the lack of resources could lead to just not enough aircraft in the sky at any one point.


As for nuclear weapons and the like, Austrovik-Germania definitely would not dabble in that science, nor do I really want any sort of nuclear strike occuring on AG, but I think remote-controlled ballistic missiles, like the V1 and V2 rockets, could be tested on Miklanian and Free Power naval vessels.
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Postby Miklania » Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:55 pm

Imma gloss over some of your points about naval powerfulness and industry and whatnot.

Your entering the war on the Neo-Imperialist side would likely push back the timeline by about six months, with a point of departure at 1943, as I would have to spend most of my energies in 43 dealing with you before I can consider attacking San Montagna. Alternatively a shorter rescheduling could be possible, with the reason for the SM invasion failing being (at least in part) my efforts being spread too far to deal with a morass on the continent. Additional support for operations against you could come from Razzgriz. If Nhoor wants to get involved that could also help things.

You will likely be out of the war by the end of 1943, or mid 44 at the latest.

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Postby The Aziran Islands » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:26 pm

Trying to figure out where we'd fit in as an Austrovik colony. We have a lot of metals and are in a pretty strategic location, so we'd probably have a significant role. I'm thinking the Free Powers would help the Aziran Freedom Fighters (check my colonial history factbook for more info).

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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:56 am

It might be good to have a large naval battle off the Ilse involving a combined Austrovik-Ilsan fleet, with the result being a large number of Austrovik and Ilsan ships heavily damaged, and put out of action for some time.

In Austrovik's case, this would sap his production and resources. I am envisioning something similar to the Meditteranean theatre as it involved the British and Italians, with the Ilsans and Austroviks continually having their capital ships sunk or disabled, preventing effective naval resistance.

After that, Miklania could easily effect a landing anywhere in the Ilse (which would not be able to defend its entire coast).
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Postby Razzgriz » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:00 am

With a lack of Neo-Imperialist in the east the UE(OE) has a lot of operational space and could continue to fill its predecessor’s role as the economic crossroads between east and west. Despite the loss of Nezeava (1899) and Yorrkon (1938, still remained strong economic partners) the UE still owned the Wellsian Canal Zone, Yitoría & Yunáví (Part of Eastern Athara Magarat), Doelá (A jointly owned City in Havalland), Háloptí (A city on Martenyika‘s southern peninsula and the remains of what used to be a larger Confederation presence on the coast) and Nhoor, with additional assistance from Dothrakia and Yorrkon.

It’s likely my Eastern Fleets would have been concerned with escorting convoys and concentrating on assisting the UE’s main offensive on A-G’s holdings in South Argus & attempting to establish naval dominance in the sea’s around AM. My western strategy depends on how strong and reputable the Doman Navy was before the war, the amount of commitment the Nyssic had in the Mesder and Havalland’s participation, as it effects whether or not there is an attempt to defend Doelá or sign a treaty ceding the city to the sole control of Havalland and concentrating my forces around the defense of Nhoor with sorties launched every now and again to help relieve pressure on Miklania. The UE’s participation in the Mesder and Raedlon Theaters depends on how strong the position of the Free Powers, as a whole, are in the Mesder during the UE’s entry into the war.

On land the UE’s early campaigns would be centered on offensives in AM via Yitoría & Yunáví in order to divert attention for the Nyssic push from the north and the main Osean Offensive staged from Háloptí and Wellsia in South Argus.
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Postby Miklania » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:57 am

That sounds like a good idea Belle. Such a battle might play out sort of like Leyte Gulf.

Azirian, you would probably be fought over early on in 42-43. Osean and Estran forces would likely spearhead that campaign. Wellsian troops would likely be sent there as well, though I imagine many of them would be summoned north to defend Noronican interests as things collapse up there.
Maps of everyone's colonial holdings would be nice, things have changed slightly since we first started this thread.

Razzgriz, the eastern oceans would definitely be the prefered routes for convoys between the Northern and Southern allies. All nations will need to do their bit for those. Noronica and Co. will probably take the northern leg between them and the eastern tip of Gael, with a handoff then going to you, then somewhere around Wellsia the Miklanians taking over. We'd also need fleet assets in the Mesder to help keep the combined enemy fleets at bay. The bulk of that effort would fall on Aizcona and Miklania, so you would be free to spend your forces protecting your specific interests.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:25 am

Razzgriz wrote:With a lack of Neo-Imperialist in the east the UE(OE) has a lot of operational space and could continue to fill its predecessor’s role as the economic crossroads between east and west. Despite the loss of Nezeava (1899) and Yorrkon (1938, still remained strong economic partners) the UE still owned the Wellsian Canal Zone, Yitoría & Yunáví (Part of Eastern Athara Magarat), Doelá (A jointly owned City in Havalland), Háloptí (A city on Martenyika‘s southern peninsula and the remains of what used to be a larger Confederation presence on the coast) and Nhoor, with additional assistance from Dothrakia and Yorrkon.

It’s likely my Eastern Fleets would have been concerned with escorting convoys and concentrating on assisting the UE’s main offensive on A-G’s holdings in South Argus & attempting to establish naval dominance in the sea’s around AM. My western strategy depends on how strong and reputable the Doman Navy was before the war, the amount of commitment the Nyssic had in the Mesder and Havalland’s participation, as it effects whether or not there is an attempt to defend Doelá or sign a treaty ceding the city to the sole control of Havalland and concentrating my forces around the defense of Nhoor with sorties launched every now and again to help relieve pressure on Miklania. The UE’s participation in the Mesder and Raedlon Theaters depends on how strong the position of the Free Powers, as a whole, are in the Mesder during the UE’s entry into the war.

On land the UE’s early campaigns would be centered on offensives in AM via Yitoría & Yunáví in order to divert attention for the Nyssic push from the north and the main Osean Offensive staged from Háloptí and Wellsia in South Argus.

From what I have gathered, you are one of the few people who want to have been involved in post-war Magarati balkanization that my history needs.

Nice job guys. We are getting more clear picture. Let's see what other nations have to say about their roles.
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Postby Austrovik-Germania » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:44 am

Miklania wrote:Imma gloss over some of your points about naval powerfulness and industry and whatnot.

Your entering the war on the Neo-Imperialist side would likely push back the timeline by about six months, with a point of departure at 1943, as I would have to spend most of my energies in 43 dealing with you before I can consider attacking San Montagna. Alternatively a shorter rescheduling could be possible, with the reason for the SM invasion failing being (at least in part) my efforts being spread too far to deal with a morass on the continent. Additional support for operations against you could come from Razzgriz. If Nhoor wants to get involved that could also help things.

You will likely be out of the war by the end of 1943, or mid 44 at the latest.


Mid-1944 works for me. I mean I just need people to occupy me after the war.
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Postby Dothrakia » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:24 am

All the proposed changes work for me.
I will most likely be in the same boat as Razz in terms of support, although I might be able to offer more support to Noronica since I am farther north and much closer to the Noronica/D.S frontline. Me and Razz have a mutual defense agreement/alliance at that time so the role of convoy protection would be spread out amongst our two navies/ air forces so although neither of us has a large navy if we were to create an expeditionary force to help Mik it would be quite powerful and could easily turn the tide against the "Triangle of Death".
I also have a class of "super heavy cruisers" that I wanted to use as raiders at the beginning of the war so perhaps they could operate out of/with Miklania or another free power closer to the action at the beginning of the war.
Also @Mik I would love to get in on your Battleship Battle you have going on in '46.

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Postby Austrovik-Germania » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:57 am

Okay, so, if this is okay with everyone, here is how I view AG in the Imperial War:


May. 24th 1941: Due to the Edhil-Hortendorf Pact between Belle Ilse en Terre and Austrovik-Germania, the latter is dragged into the Imperial War alongside the rest of the Neo-Imperialist Powers as an ally of their cause. The Crown Colonies of Austrovik Sudenargus (modern day Martenyika) and Austrovik Aziraland (now the Aziran Islands) are both obliged to join the war to protect their colonial overlord which they do so.

By Oct. 1941: Austrovik tanks and other fighting vehicles are sent by ship to other Neo-Imperialist powers and perform incredibly well. The NeKaz V Heavy Tank, also known as the "Falke" - falcon in English - is exceptional (imagine, T-34 with Panzer IV Chassis) in its fight against Free Power armour but simply lacks in the numbers to survive in a modern battlefield due to its complex engineering. On top of this, such complexity makes it disliked by crews due to its complicated fixing procedures and maintenance jobs etc.

Feb. 13th 1942: Due to the declining status of Belle Isle en Terre, the Austrovik Imperial Navy rushes in to defend the Ilsan coastline. However, air supiority of the Allies disables most of the Austrovik capital ships, sinking several others too. Austrovik Expeditionary Forces in Belle Ilse are forced to either surrender or to attempt to flee and sail over to Austrovik-Germania.

March 2nd 1942: With the grim status in Belle Ilse, Austrovik-Germania begins constructing massive coastal protection schemes and choses to leave her colonies completely unprotected, adopting the "Homeland War" (Heimat Kreig) strategy.

March 28th 1942: With lack of Austrovik support in their colonial possesions, which had already been undermined by constant rebellions and native uprisings, the Crown Colony of Austrovik Aziraland surrenders

April 2nd 1942: Austrovik Sudenargus surrenders also

I haven't figured out later dates but how is this so far?
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Postby Athara Magarat » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:28 am

Battles of Bolton and Drayton (1943) - Free Powers Victory


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https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ath ... id=1157520

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1217545

The story so far: In 1941, the Imperial War began as we all know. The Ilsan-Magarati Partition of San Montagna happened and what used to be San Montagna was occupied by the Neo-Imperialists within 2-3 months (there was active resistance though). I dunno about what happened in Ilsan-occupation zones (Aquaviva and Ravenna states of SM) but the Magaratis initiated a law that said every San Montagnan family had to send one member to the Imperial Magarati Army. The high command aprroved stationed armies and local population to be of different background i.e. mainly Magarati divisions were sent to Raedlon and in the northern Canal War front with Altera while colonial Traceran soldiers were brought to police San Montagna with mostly conscripted San Montagnans being used for invasion of Brulafi. The forcefully conscripted San Montagnans, who felt no loyalty to the Magarati Emperor or army, were brought to police occupied Brulafi (cities like Arran, Reading and Neukassel fiercely resisted and had their own "Democratic Republics" since 1943-ish). Several high-ranking Magarati officers were assassinated by the Brulafi resistance with direct or indirect help of disloyal San Montagnan conscripts.

So...now I quote what Miklania wrote: Noronica and exiles land in Alteran Republics, and make progress until they are bogged down near the canal. Miklania attempts to invade San Montagna, but the attack bogs down and ultimately fails. After much arguing, Miklanian forces are sent north to open a second northern front in Tracera(?) or Almorea. This relieves pressure on the Noronicans and forces push towards AM.

I propose that you guys start with Brulafi after the first Miklanian attempts to invade San Montagna (or AM directly) fail.

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  • (Month and date? let's decide that) Free Powers forces land on Bolton and Drayton respectively (xyz Mesder??? countries forces could land in Bolton while abc South Argus nations armies in Drayton...not necessarily that...just suggestions). Unlike San Montagna, Brulafi has loads of problems for the defending Magaratis (as mentioned: conscripted San Montagnan soldiers purposedly slacking, the so-called Democratic Republic cities launching frequent attacks, most Magarati officers avoided getting transferred to Brulafi due to the number of assassinations and the Magarati high command itself who thinks the situation in Brulafi is totally okay). Thus, unlike that failed Miklanian attempt to land in San Montagna, these two landings would be virtually unopposed. Heck, the allies could even try to link up with the Brulafi resistance forces in Reading city. Elements of the Imperial Magarati Army would only know of these landings after Free Powers troops have made it several (around 5??) kms inland. Even then, these Neo-Imperialists would mostly be ASAP trying to retreat to Turbay.
  • These landings would come as some sort of surprise (to most, but not all Magarati officers). Most of the high-command expected Free Powers to try invade SM again or directly invade AM or maybe create a new front north. In south, the Democratic Republic of Arran (city) effectively acted as a sort of buffer between Magarati occupation zone and Aizcona. Most of the folks in Magarati high-command were like "if the Estrans wanted to invade, they would have attacked us by now. Instead the Free Powers are mostly concentrated on Raedlon and in north. The Brulafi resistance is on its own. No need for that many bsecurity measures down south there."

The Free Powers would easily win these two battles. The next battles could take place in Reading most likely to prevent Free Powers forces and Brulafi resistance groups from linking up ("we need to clear out those resistance or whatever and make their city our latest base...we have not succeeded in the last three years but let's try again"). Also, immediately after Reading is Turbay and if Turbay is gone, the Magarati presence in Brulafi would be pretty much over (so yeah, Battle of Turbay as well guys??). I will now try to come with which divisions and so on would be involved in these battles.

What do you guys think? Should we roll with this?
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Postby Miklania » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:49 am

That seems like an excellent idea for an Aixconian supporting operation, opening a new flank as they push into Brulafi from the south. More development of the resistance concept, including exactly what they are able to do, and how long they can last in open rebellion, would be great to see.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:52 am

Miklania wrote:That seems like an excellent idea for an Aixconian supporting operation, opening a new flank as they push into Brulafi from the south. More development of the resistance concept, including exactly what they are able to do, and how long they can last in open rebellion, would be great to see.

Glad you are on board :)

Brulafi and I will sort those resistance front stuff out.
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Postby Brulafi » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:08 pm

Hey, just in case you are planning on mapping stuff, I'm thinking of retconning Bolton and Drayton to have more "Brulafi-esque" names. Bolton will probably be Narakraj and Drayton will be Taravas, respectively.
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Postby Aizcona » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:35 pm

We're gonna push through Brulafi, with full collateral damage! Because fuck them!
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So if all parties are on board, let's decide the dates.
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Nota Bene:

After the capture of San Montagna, the country was partition, and the Ilse received Aquaviva and Ravenna, which they formally incorporated into the kingdom of the Ilse, and established feudal law. Feudal rule tended to be relaxed, with Ilsan nobles recognising their increasingly tenuous grasp on San Montagna. Ilsan authorities increasingly turned a blind eye to San Montagnan resistance fighters that only plagued Magarati-occupied territory. This caused tension between the the Ilse and the Magarati. The events of the occupation are generally well remembered in both countries to this day.
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Hi all, given Corindia's distance from most of the action and the heavy influence of Noronica, would it be possible to tag along with the free power actions as sort of a Brazil tier ally who doesn't have too much of a stake (aside from shipping losses I guess)? Without an apparent neo-colonial power to square up with in the immediate area there's not an obvious path for Corindia to get in a dust up much bigger than that

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Corindia wrote:Hi all, given Corindia's distance from most of the action and the heavy influence of Noronica, would it be possible to tag along with the free power actions as sort of a Brazil tier ally who doesn't have too much of a stake (aside from shipping losses I guess)? Without an apparent neo-colonial power to square up with in the immediate area there's not an obvious path for Corindia to get in a dust up much bigger than that

There was this failed Magarati invasion of Scantarbia by just one division. That is quite close to you folks. Dunno if Scantarbia is open to other nations being involved.
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Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:Nota Bene:

After the capture of San Montagna, the country was partition, and the Ilse received Aquaviva and Ravenna, which they formally incorporated into the kingdom of the Ilse, and established feudal law. Feudal rule tended to be relaxed, with Ilsan nobles recognising their increasingly tenuous grasp on San Montagna. Ilsan authorities increasingly turned a blind eye to San Montagnan resistance fighters that only plagued Magarati-occupied territory. This caused tension between the the Ilse and the Magarati. The events of the occupation are generally well remembered in both countries to this day.

At this point, the Magaratis started wondering why they even had Ilsans as allies :P
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Athara Magarat wrote:
Corindia wrote:Hi all, given Corindia's distance from most of the action and the heavy influence of Noronica, would it be possible to tag along with the free power actions as sort of a Brazil tier ally who doesn't have too much of a stake (aside from shipping losses I guess)? Without an apparent neo-colonial power to square up with in the immediate area there's not an obvious path for Corindia to get in a dust up much bigger than that

There was this failed Magarati invasion of Scantarbia by just one division. That is quite close to you folks. Dunno if Scantarbia is open to other nations being involved.

I'll ask him, Scantarbia and Corindia tend to have close relations to so it wouldn't be crazy for us to get involved with that to some degree

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Corindia wrote:
Athara Magarat wrote:There was this failed Magarati invasion of Scantarbia by just one division. That is quite close to you folks. Dunno if Scantarbia is open to other nations being involved.

I'll ask him, Scantarbia and Corindia tend to have close relations to so it wouldn't be crazy for us to get involved with that to some degree

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Magarati Invasion of Scantarbia (Nov 1941 to Jan 1942) - Free Powers Victory


  • Scantarbia was rich in oil and rubber. Two resources that the Magaratis deemed vital for the war to keep going on their favor. Immediately after the Ilsan-Magarati Partition of San Montagna and subsequent Magarati Invasion of Brulafi, the Magarati high command made plans to invade Brulafi. At the same time, they curried favor with supposedly neutral Keverai (NPC and Ainslie has said yes to this); allowing Magarati planes and ships to use their air and sea ports.
  • Politically Scantarbia had long been isolationist of sorts but it sent its reporters everywhere. Their war journalists had extensively covered the use of poison gas (and other war crimes) by the Magaratis in Domanananian cities during the Doman-Magarati War (which like the Second Sino-Japanese War is supposed to be its own thing at start but become yet another front of the Imperial War). As such, the Scantarbian government and citizens, despite proclaimed neutraility, were against Neo-Imperialists.
  • Neo-Imperialist groups in Scantarbia, who were supposed to provide information to the Magarati high command, was heavily infiltrated by Scantarbian OFNAI agents and wrong information was provided on purpose. The Magarati high command, despite reservations from several officers, was led to believe that one gun would be sufficient in Scantarbia.
  • The Marubhumi Gun under Major General Kesar Kathoriya (more information on him here) was sent to invade Scantarbia. Kathoriya had been told his job would be easy and that there would be little resistance. The defending side had 15,000 men from Arcturus, 5000 from Regulus and 5000 from Spica.
  • Ships from the Black Turtle Fleet were involved in this operation (Miklania, can ye help me in deciding how many ships and of what type to send here?) The heavy cruiser Snowcock was sunk on Pollux Harbor and later on recovered by the Scantarbians. Much to Magarati humiliation, the ship continued to be in Scantarbian service on the side of the Free Powers and was turned into a musuem ship post-war. Corindi vessels harassing Magarati ships and stuff to be expanded.
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