The History of the Imperial War (OOC, TWI only)

[Wellsia]

Looking at the map, western half of Wellsia is unoccupied. This was originally part of Covonant. If an imperialist power wants this as a Colony let me know, this would lead to the conquest and annexation of these lands to Wellsia.

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

Looking at the map, western half of Wellsia is unoccupied. This was originally part of Covonant. If an imperialist power wants this as a Colony let me know, this would lead to the conquest and annexation of these lands to Wellsia.

How competent and numerous were Wellsian defense forces, army/navy wise? Also, how agrarian was Wellsia? With a great deal of strain, I think the Ilse could occupy part of Wellsia, though and invasion would likely fail unsupported (excepting a surprise invasion) if your navy was better than mine (four battleships).

[Miklania]

That sounds good AM, although may I suggest having Belle Ilse en Terre attack me instead of sailing north? They would be unlikely to leave themselves defenseless to join what is already a dogpile in the north.

Three months is a good amount of time to make war preparations after coming to the Christmas Agreement. The kick off date of 16 March 1941 will still make sense.

[Dothrakia]

That sounds good AM, although may I suggest having Belle Ilse en Terre attack me instead of sailing north? They would be unlikely to leave themselves defenseless to join what is already a dogpile in the north.

Three months is a good amount of time to make war preparations after coming to the Christmas Agreement. The kick off date of 16 March 1941 will still make sense.

Is that kickoff date the start of the War? Or is it the start of a proxy conflict?

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

That sounds good AM, although may I suggest having Belle Ilse en Terre attack me instead of sailing north? They would be unlikely to leave themselves defenseless to join what is already a dogpile in the north.

Three months is a good amount of time to make war preparations after coming to the Christmas Agreement. The kick off date of 16 March 1941 will still make sense.

Unless I pulled a Pearl Harbour (without planes), I am not sure how feasible an attack against Miklania is for the Ilse. Operations in the north have the advantage of easy gains made at lesser costs.

That being said, I could launch an invasion that besiges Szolnok and Gyor, which could last until the Miklanian Navy drives the Ilsan navy.

[Miklania]

It is the start date of the war proper.

Belle, I was thinking that you would attempt first to strike the Miklanian ships that had been patrolling near your archipelago for the last few months, as a show of force, while you and the rest of the Neo-Imps try to convince Miklania to stay out of the war. The attempted show of force backfires, and Miklania joins the war with prejudice. However, psychologically defaulting to our long standing doctrine of defense, we don't do much other than have naval skirmishes for a while. Those who had been advocating for a more expeditionary military policy, plus the rest of the soon-to-be Free Powers in the North begging for help as they get the crap kicked out of them in the opening days, finally convince the Miklanians to do something productive.

The first step for us will be invading you. Your country (as a legitimate political entity) will most likely be knocked out of the war within the first few years. A handful of units may escape to the rest of the Imperial powers, and fight on the Argus and Raedlon fronts.

[Athara Magarat]

It is the start date of the war proper.

Belle, I was thinking that you would attempt first to strike the Miklanian ships that had been patrolling near your archipelago for the last few months, as a show of force, while you and the rest of the Neo-Imps try to convince Miklania to stay out of the war. The attempted show of force backfires, and Miklania joins the war with prejudice. However, psychologically defaulting to our long standing doctrine of defense, we don't do much other than have naval skirmishes for a while. Those who had been advocating for a more expeditionary military policy, plus the rest of the soon-to-be Free Powers in the North begging for help as they get the crap kicked out of them in the opening days, finally convince the Miklanians to do something productive.

The first step for us will be invading you. Your country (as a legitimate political entity) will most likely be knocked out of the war within the first few years. A handful of units may escape to the rest of the Imperial powers, and fight on the Argus and Raedlon fronts.

Maybe we can lengthen (but not change anything much) this front with Magarati troops in occupied Domanania or other Neo-Imperialist forces heading south?

[Miklania]

It is the start date of the war proper.

Belle, I was thinking that you would attempt first to strike the Miklanian ships that had been patrolling near your archipelago for the last few months, as a show of force, while you and the rest of the Neo-Imps try to convince Miklania to stay out of the war. The attempted show of force backfires, and Miklania joins the war with prejudice. However, psychologically defaulting to our long standing doctrine of defense, we don't do much other than have naval skirmishes for a while. Those who had been advocating for a more expeditionary military policy, plus the rest of the soon-to-be Free Powers in the North begging for help as they get the crap kicked out of them in the opening days, finally convince the Miklanians to do something productive.

The first step for us will be invading you. Your country (as a legitimate political entity) will most likely be knocked out of the war within the first few years. A handful of units may escape to the rest of the Imperial powers, and fight on the Argus and Raedlon fronts.

Maybe we can lengthen (but not change anything much) this front with Magarati troops in occupied Domanania or other Neo-Imperialist forces heading south?

You guys don't have unlimited resources; the Svalbardians and Noronicans are not pushovers. I would avoid sending large concentrations of troops down south in the opening months of the war. Naval forces, on the other hand, might be useful from 1942-1943, as Miklania is actually invading Belle Isle en Terre. I have a plan for just that sort of battle that I'm working on.

[Athara Magarat]

You guys don't have unlimited resources; the Svalbardians and Noronicans are not pushovers. I would avoid sending large concentrations of troops down south in the opening months of the war. Naval forces, on the other hand, might be useful from 1942-1943, as Miklania is actually invading Belle Isle en Terre. I have a plan for just that sort of battle that I'm working on.

Of course, that's why we needed to expand

I meant in the sense how Hitler declared war on US when he was under no obligation to do so.

You are right. Ships make more sense.

[Athara Magarat]

On December 25th of 1940, in what is now know as the "Christmas Deal", the leaders of the Neo-Imperialist powers met in secret and agreed to simultaneously carry out the Ouronan Invasion of Almorea and the Keomoran-Magarati Partition of San Montagna. Keomoran and Magarati leadership developed plans to occupy entire San Montagna within two months and redirect their efforts to Almorea. Norstham promised to help in the Almorean campaign as Polar Svalbard, Noronica and other Free Powers were more than likely to support Valentine. Dragao do Mar, though never officially a Neo-Imperialist power, offered to provide military access, supplies and even volunteers. Belle Ilse en Terre agreed to have its fleets patrol the South Mesder Sea in large numbers as a show of force to convince Miklania, whose ships had been sighted dangerously close to the llsan waters, to stay out of these conflicts.

Summary of things so far.

And now. March 16th, 1941. Ouronan (New Totzka) air force began raiding southern Almorean military bases and air fields while divisions of motorized infantry and armor poured across the border into the province of Grey Hills. Their target is the coastal city of Ballavasach, where elements of the Almorean navy were stationed. Ouronan goal is to seize the Almorea navy base for Rio de Ouro to create a fleet that would protect the northern coast.

Almorean assets in Gray Hills on March 16, 1941 include a cavalry division, two infantry divisions, the Army's mountain brigade, three fighter squadrons, a fighter-bomber squadron, and a bomber squadron; and as for navy: one battleship, two battlecruisers, two heavy cruisers, five light cruisers, 14 destroyers, five submarines, and under Naval Air Command two fighter squadrons and a torpedo bomber squadron. Gray Hills Defense Force (GHDF) is basically 35,000 men with older rifles and morale of units is very bad.

Cruiser Squadron 14? or some other Miklanian navy group comes under fire from the Ilsan fleet while dogfights cover the Almorean sky.

Same day, hours later, Magarati troops in Chatha and Jaring have entered San Montagnan territory after a short declaration of war and occupied towns along the way and by night, possibly the beginning of a tank battle at Fiorenzo that could last for five days. If this is agreed upon, I think I had some 300 tanks, most of them the Chuli Leopard based Hungarian Turan. I hope the number of tanks being used in this battle is not too many.

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

I propose:

• In the days leading up to 16 March, three unescorted Ilsan ships, two containing detachments of Ilsan men and knights amounting to about 5000, and one carrying supplies, ammunition, a few tankettes, etc., sail to Athara Magarat for a joint exercise, and participate in the occupation of San Montagna, and other battles hence.
• A powerful Ilsan surface force attacks and injures a Miklanian Cruiser Division, and continues to patrol the area, looking for Miklanian commerce. The Admiral writes a report to the king containing a detailed assessment of Ilsan naval preparedness, in context of the battle, including a suggestion that full hostilities* be held off.
• The knight tasked with flying the message back to the king notices that his plane has enough fuel for him to take a circuitous route to the Ilse, and he strafes a Miklanian destroyer, but is hit and killed. His message is noticed by an enterprising Miklanian sailor, and the report ends up securely in Miklanian hands.
• The Ilsan admiral in this time grows concerned, and discovers that the plane had gone missing, and concluding Miklanian possession of the document, reports such to the king with a more reliable and cautious pilot.
• The Ilsan consulate (or whatever) demands the return of document, and is rebuked by Miklanian diplomats, who deny knowledge of the affair. This is reported to the king by his trusted but dubious personal servant, who also holds stocks in major Ilsan ship building companies, which had been making large profits from the naval rearment proggrame, but are now declining as the Ilsan navy reaches its financial limit, and reports that Miklania has refused to hand over stolen reports lost to an engine malfunction, and, like the scoundrels they are, deny even stealing them. The king is affronted, and war is declared.
• A few moments after the declaration of war, the king receives a copy of the original report.

*The Ilsan conseption of war is somewhat different, and does not hinge on incidents like this one, but on breaches of treaties or their own chivalric conceptions of custom.

[Miklania]

I propose:

• In the days leading up to 16 March, three unescorted Ilsan ships, two containing detachments of Ilsan men and knights amounting to about 5000, and one carrying supplies, ammunition, a few tankettes, etc., sail to Athara Magarat for a joint exercise, and participate in the occupation of San Montagna, and other battles hence.
• A powerful Ilsan surface force attacks and injures a Miklanian Cruiser Division, and continues to patrol the area, looking for Miklanian commerce. The Admiral writes a report to the king containing a detailed assessment of Ilsan naval preparedness, in context of the battle, including a suggestion that full hostilities* be held off.
• The knight tasked with flying the message back to the king notices that his plane has enough fuel for him to take a circuitous route to the Ilse, and he strafes a Miklanian destroyer, but is hit and killed. His message is noticed by an enterprising Miklanian sailor, and the report ends up securely in Miklanian hands.
• The Ilsan admiral in this time grows concerned, and discovers that the plane had gone missing, and concluding Miklanian possession of the document, reports such to the king with a more reliable and cautious pilot.
• The Ilsan consulate (or whatever) demands the return of document, and is rebuked by Miklanian diplomats, who deny knowledge of the affair. This is reported to the king by his trusted but dubious personal servant, who also holds stocks in major Ilsan ship building companies, which had been making large profits from the naval rearment proggrame, but are now declining as the Ilsan navy reaches its financial limit, and reports that Miklania has refused to hand over stolen reports lost to an engine malfunction, and, like the scoundrels they are, deny even stealing them. The king is affronted, and war is declared.
• A few moments after the declaration of war, the king receives a copy of the original report.

*The Ilsan conseption of war is somewhat different, and does not hinge on incidents like this one, but on breaches of treaties or their own chivalric conceptions of custom.

First bullet is fine, the rest seem kinda unrealistic and unnecessary. It is more likely that high level officials, caught up in their own egos and out of touch with reality, decide that bloodying the Miklanian's noses will convince them to "never come back to this neighborhood".

The assumption would be based on the faulty logic that since 1) Miklania had not done anything resembling an invasion since a dozen Marines landed to deal with some Mennan pirates 140 years ago; 2) their only combat experience in the last 50, even 100 years had been a defensive war on their own territory, with decades of technological advancement since then rendering much of the specific experience gained obsolete; and 3) their military might be large, but it was not large enough to defeat the glorious Ilsan Navy (and friends). Ergo, as the Miklanians are not that stupid, they will certainly not dare attack us, rather they will hide and turtle in their corner of the globe while we sail on to victory.

The premises of this argument are all correct, independently of one another. It is putting them together in the same context, plus a dose of ignoring other facts, that leads to an extremely flawed premise. While it is true that the Miklanians at this time have very limited wartime experience and have not properly invaded anyone ever, in the intervening time all branches of the armed forces had undergone not only a massive materiel build-up but an intellectual renaissance. New and innovative doctrines and tactics were developed and tested by the more forward thinking officers, while a sizable percentage (the ones that your leadership might focus on) were stuck fighting the last war, only preparing for defense. At the beginning of the war, Miklania was easily the most prepared and most dangerous of the potential adversaries to the Neo-Imperialist block. While the Noronicans, for example, had far more men and materiel resources available, they were not all mobilized for war. It took them time to mobilize, and the new forces had the unpleasant task of replacing lost units. The entirety of their potential military might would never be brought to bear all at once. As a result of the Vae Victis Act, the Miklanians were mobilized. They were almost as strong in 1940 as they were going to get. Improvements to the Miklanian military would come almost entirely from technology and tactics, not an increase in numbers.

But that's getting ahead of ourselves. The point is, in 1940 the Miklanian military was not a paper tiger, and the country was not going to take a bloody nose as a suggestion to "stay out of it". It just pissed them off. The estimate that they would first want to turtle would prove accurate, however. It would take a few months before they start preparing to launch an expeditionary campaign.

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

So how does war get declared? I am still a bit confused after reading your post. I understand your assent to my first bullet point, but not the rest of what you are saying as it relates to me, especially your phrase about “high officials”.

[Miklania]

So how does war get declared? I am still a bit confused after reading your post. I understand your assent to my first bullet point, but not the rest of what you are saying as it relates to me, especially your phrase about “high officials”.

I declare war on you guys for invading people. And for being attacked at sea.

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

So how does war get declared? I am still a bit confused after reading your post. I understand your assent to my first bullet point, but not the rest of what you are saying as it relates to me, especially your phrase about “high officials”.

I declare war on you guys for invading people. And for being attacked at sea.

That works for me.

[Corindia]

Hey guys, still sort of struggling to find a good storyline for Corindia's involvement, would it be possible for us to send a relatively large expeditionary force abroad to be integrated into a larger FP army (Noronica might be the best option here), somewhat in the same vein as the Americans in WWI or maybe more accurately the Brazilians in WWII? This could supplement or replace the aspects of my nationbuilding involving the international brigades in Spain as well.

[Dothrakia]

Hey guys, still sort of struggling to find a good storyline for Corindia's involvement, would it be possible for us to send a relatively large expeditionary force abroad to be integrated into a larger FP army (Noronica might be the best option here), somewhat in the same vein as the Americans in WWI or maybe more accurately the Brazilians in WWII? This could supplement or replace the aspects of my nationbuilding involving the international brigades in Spain as well.

From the map Razzgriz might be another potential option.

[Polar Svalbard]

Hey guys, still sort of struggling to find a good storyline for Corindia's involvement, would it be possible for us to send a relatively large expeditionary force abroad to be integrated into a larger FP army (Noronica might be the best option here), somewhat in the same vein as the Americans in WWI or maybe more accurately the Brazilians in WWII? This could supplement or replace the aspects of my nationbuilding involving the international brigades in Spain as well.

Probably would be cool if you sent them to either Polar Svalbard or Miklania, building a basis for the strong cooperation in the MSTO maybe

[Corindia]

Hey guys, still sort of struggling to find a good storyline for Corindia's involvement, would it be possible for us to send a relatively large expeditionary force abroad to be integrated into a larger FP army (Noronica might be the best option here), somewhat in the same vein as the Americans in WWI or maybe more accurately the Brazilians in WWII? This could supplement or replace the aspects of my nationbuilding involving the international brigades in Spain as well.

Probably would be cool if you sent them to either Polar Svalbard or Miklania, building a basis for the strong cooperation in the MSTO maybe

That's the other option I'd be looking at!

[Dormill and Stiura]

So recently I've been trying to think about how exactly I got involved in the Imperial War other than just attacking Noro and losing eventually.

What can I honestly do with a fascist Dormill and Stiura during this time that isn't all Germany by invading literally everybody else in Gael?

[Polar Svalbard]

Supporting others in your faction. If you produce alot for other nations and defend yourself heavily, it makes it so that you're a factory that needs to be taken out, and quite possibly an important front for the Noronicans

[Dormill and Stiura]

Supporting others in your faction. If you produce alot for other nations and defend yourself heavily, it makes it so that you're a factory that needs to be taken out, and quite possibly an important front for the Noronicans

It's possible to do that, but I feel like I'd have to make the industrial base for D&S several times more powerful than I originally thought of it before, and I don't want to be seen as godmodding D&S to such a power level.

[Corindia]

So recently I've been trying to think about how exactly I got involved in the Imperial War other than just attacking Noro and losing eventually.

What can I honestly do with a fascist Dormill and Stiura during this time that isn't all Germany by invading literally everybody else in Gael?

Could we start some sort of spat? Maybe over something small like fishing rights or an island that escalates and gets both of us entangled in this war?

[Polar Svalbard]

Supporting others in your faction. If you produce alot for other nations and defend yourself heavily, it makes it so that you're a factory that needs to be taken out, and quite possibly an important front for the Noronicans

It's possible to do that, but I feel like I'd have to make the industrial base for D&S several times more powerful than I originally thought of it before, and I don't want to be seen as godmodding D&S to such a power level.

Could have it all pummeled into the fucking dirt by strategic bombing

[Dormill and Stiura]

So recently I've been trying to think about how exactly I got involved in the Imperial War other than just attacking Noro and losing eventually.

What can I honestly do with a fascist Dormill and Stiura during this time that isn't all Germany by invading literally everybody else in Gael?

Could we start some sort of spat? Maybe over something small like fishing rights or an island that escalates and gets both of us entangled in this war?

A spat, maybe. Over fishing rights, yeah no.

Being an Arsenal for the Neo-Imperialist cause sounds like a good idea, which means eventually I'm dragged into the war because of my many sunken ships or a Noronnican blockade. As for how you and I get dragged in simultaneously, I don't really know since D&S sort of lost interest in exerting control in the Southern Sea in that period.

It's possible to do that, but I feel like I'd have to make the industrial base for D&S several times more powerful than I originally thought of it before, and I don't want to be seen as godmodding D&S to such a power level.

Could have it all pummeled into the fucking dirt by strategic bombing

That's a lot of country to do strategic bombing on and Noronica is about the same distance to D&S as Britain was from Germany so there is going to be a good portion of the country's interior that was relatively safe until the mid and late stages of the war.