The Shahita Emergency (OOC | MT | Closed)

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Just mind your own business, and don't correct other people unless you're fully sure of your case.

How bout you mind your tone? I didn't come off hostile to you. I merely pointed out NS convention and explained where I was coming from.

Also, you really want to be realistic? You'd realize that the UN has nothing close to the power or cache that you're claiming. Check it.

Lastly, can someone who speaks Dutch translate the following for me?
"In de World Assembly staat zegmaar vast welke regels er komen enzo, en de WA is ook belangrijk voor regios zegmaar. Dus ik stel voor dat we een WA-ambassadeur krijgen die onze regio vertegenwoordigt, want eigenlijk heb ik sowieso niets beters te doen."

My region is a Dutch speaking one, and no concern of yours. I'm sorry about the fact that you don't speak Dutch, but it's a region with 6 people, so it's hardly interesting. You could also use google translate. Thanks for checking my region anyway.

The UN passing optional sanctions against fictional nations like San Mazer or Shahita in their security council is fully possible, and the UN has the ability to send military observers, peacekeepers, and to enact sanction upon them. The UN would play a major part in this civil war if it hadn't been fictional.

I'm don't understand why we're getting in a fight this early? These are the steps that a European nation would undergo to intervene in a conflict like this. Why are you not minding your own business? I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but haven't you got anything better to do? What are you moaning about?

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Just mind your own business, and don't correct other people unless you're fully sure of your case.

How bout you mind your tone? I didn't come off hostile to you. I merely pointed out NS convention and explained where I was coming from.

Also, you really want to be realistic? You'd realize that the UN has nothing close to the power or cache that you're claiming. Check it.

Lastly, can someone who speaks Dutch translate the following for me?
"In de World Assembly staat zegmaar vast welke regels er komen enzo, en de WA is ook belangrijk voor regios zegmaar. Dus ik stel voor dat we een WA-ambassadeur krijgen die onze regio vertegenwoordigt, want eigenlijk heb ik sowieso niets beters te doen."

The UN is a tool for my nation to claim the moral high ground in the conflict, something which has been done before. I clearly stated so in my post. My first few posts are preparations to make sure that I get both public and international support for my intervention in the civil war. The UN is in the center of that. My post is totally legitimate and fitting.

My "tone" (silly statement) isn't out of order at all, and I don't understand why this is still an argument. Why is it so important to you whether it is UN/WA? Why do you think that everybody should adapt into taking the WA as the proper organisation?

[The Cardwith Islands]

Edit.

You're defensive because you know you're wrong. Every time you post, it makes it worse. You want to post your lovefest about the UN even though there's nothing in the OP about it? Have at it. I don't care anymore. It's up to the OP whether he accepts all that as canon or not.
Don't tell me to mind my business. Because I committed to this RP with my friends, this RP is my damn business and you made it yours as well. We either learn to work together in the framework of this RP, or we stay out of each other's way. I pick the latter.

*Mic drops*

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Edit.

You're defensive because you know you're wrong. Every time you post, it makes it worse. You want to post your lovefest about the UN even though there's nothing in the OP about it? Have at it. I don't care anymore. It's up to the OP whether he accepts all that as canon or not.
Don't tell me to mind my business. Because I committed to this RP with my friends, this RP is my damn business and you made it yours as well. We either learn to work together in the framework of this RP, or we stay out of each other's way. I pick the latter.

*Mic drops*

"Mic drop"

getting defensive about something isn't the reason why "I know I'm wrong". There isn't anything about the UN/WA in the introduction, but it's stupid to think that there's not any globalist organisation whose task it is to stop the bloodshed on the island. I chose the UN, because it's the more realistic entity.

I don't think that you're reading my responses properly. I totally agree that it's up to the OP to decide whether my post is appropriate. We agree on this, so why are you interfering in it? If the OP makes a problem out of it, I'll happily oblige to change it to WA, or to remove it if there isn't a such an entity like the UN.

I want to cooperate, but I think it's really silly to think that you have a tight grip on the story of this RP if it doesn't mention the WA or the UN. You shouldn't behave like you're in the right, you don't know whether the WA even exists in this RP.
Now, I'm not telling you how to live your life. You can jump into any conversation you want, but what I'm telling you is that it's really silly to go around and to critique other people's posts when you aren't certain of your case. It's that simple. You've bent this discussion so that it's not even about the RP anymore. Your last post was all ad hominem. You can call me anything you want, but I'd really like to go back to the topic of UN/WA instead of smearing/insulting eachother, or trying cheap tricks to score. As you said, this is an RP where we have to get along. That's why I wrote "I don't understand why we're getting in a fight this early?"

I'm just waiting for the OP to announce whether he prefers the WA or the UN. This conversation is honestly going no where, and if we want to talk about this I'd recommend we either leave it to the OP or don't attack one another ad hominem. It's not fair, and it's not going to help us at all.

I hope that you won't refrain to ad hominem attacks and that you stay true to the discussion's subject instead of changing it.

[Rhodokan Republic]

Vrijstaat Limburg and The Cardwith Islands

How about the both of you simmer down. this is the OOC for the Shahita Emergency roleplay, not you personal stomping ground for you two to argue.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Vrijstaat Limburg and The Cardwith Islands

How about the both of you simmer down. this is the OOC for the Shahita Emergency roleplay, not you personal stomping ground for you two to argue.

I agree. We shouldn't be bickering at all, I don't even understand why this guy's obsession with the WA spiralled into this set of ad hominem insults. Can't be just debate these things like adults instead of stepping away from the subject? Or, better yet, just not caring (otherwise known as minding your own business) and waiting till the OP steps in?

[The Cardwith Islands]

Vrijstaat Limburg and The Cardwith Islands

How about the both of you simmer down. this is the OOC for the Shahita Emergency roleplay, not you personal stomping ground for you two to argue.

Rhodokan, I'm done talking to him. Hence my comment about mic dropping that is in pretty popular vernacular. I will say this to you: I'm not attacking his character, although I think he feels that. We should be able to hash out details that will effect the RP. That's what the OOC thread is for. My original point before all this was simply why would we think it reasonable, if it wasn't stated in the OP, that any global legislating organization would interfere in this particular conflict when hundreds of other war RPs on NS II go on unabated with no such interference?

I substituted WA for UN, but really it doesn't matter. Unless San Mazer says otherwise, no such organization is valid to interject unless approved through application.

[Victores]

You are all implying that the UN will do anything. If it really were realistic, the UN will say it will do something, then do nothing.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

You are all implying that the UN will do anything. If it really were realistic, the UN will say it will do something, then do nothing.

That doesn't seem like a nuanced or objective stance you're taking there.

[The Selkie]

You are all implying that the UN will do anything. If it really were realistic, the UN will say it will do something, then do nothing.

That doesn't seem like a nuanced or objective stance you're taking there.

But he is not incorrect, you'll have to admit that. ; )
Fun aside, let's wait on the OP before burning any bridges. Have a good cuppa tea, that'll calm everyone down.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

That doesn't seem like a nuanced or objective stance you're taking there.

But he is not incorrect, you'll have to admit that. ; )
Fun aside, let's wait on the OP before burning any bridges. Have a good cuppa tea, that'll calm everyone down.

I'd argue that the United Nations do more than just sitting around and burning money. A small nation like mine couldn't really drop into the civil war without UN approval, or it'd suffocate in embargoes and sanctions.

Aside from the UN bit, I agree. We haven't been posting or anything like that, so I assume that we're all waiting for the OP to show up and tell people how the RP should be played

[The Cardwith Islands]

Everyone else can calm down with telling everyone to calm down. It's not necessary. Vrijstaat and I have worked things out civilly through TG and, yes, we're awaiting the return of the OP.

Although I personally agree with the uselessness of the UN, but that's neither here nor there as far as the RP right now.

My friends in the ISVC and I were working on a doc RP for our arrival and hoping for input from the OP, but we may just post it, regardless. I don't think posting has to stop due to the OP's absence, as long as it doesn't involve things that weren't pre-approved.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Everyone else can calm down with telling everyone to calm down. It's not necessary. Vrijstaat and I have worked things out civilly through TG and, yes, we're awaiting the return of the OP.

Although I personally agree with the uselessness of the UN, but that's neither here nor there as far as the RP right now.

My friends in the ISVC and I were working on a doc RP for our arrival and hoping for input from the OP, but we may just post it, regardless. I don't think posting has to stop due to the OP's absence, as long as it doesn't involve things that weren't pre-approved.

I agree. People shouldn't be disturbed by our little argument. The OP'll step in eventually and clear up the misunderstanding

[Old Beringia]

So does anyone want to skirmish or meet up in the jungle or the coast while we wait? There's still a lot we can do while we wait for op to come back. They created such a detailed and active playground for us to play in and there's opportunities for so much with such a divere group of nations. Not to mention some people haven't even posted once yet

[The Cardwith Islands]

So does anyone want to skirmish or meet up in the jungle or the coast while we wait? There's still a lot we can do while we wait for op to come back. They created such a detailed and active playground for us to play in and there's opportunities for so much with such a divere group of nations. Not to mention some people haven't even posted once yet

Yes!! There is a lot we can still do, but we should look at doing it soon to keep the momentum going. We may have to face the possibility that we will either have to make contingencies on how to continue without the OP (seen it done before), or that this RP may be dead in the water. San Mazer checked in 30 hours ago to NS, but nothing on the threads or any posting to the forums at all. Hope all is okay.

As far as the little disagreement between me and Vrijstaat Limburg, that shouldn't hold up anyone else from posting. I will say right now, it will be easy enough to smooth that out. He can keep claiming the UN has given his nation the greenlight, as long as there's no claim of UN (or any world org) putting collective economic, political or military pressure on San Mazer or Shahita. For my part, I'll just ignore it as it's out of my canon and as long as we're not running into blue hats, it won't matter.

Lastly, Old Beringia, well done on that last post. Very nice.
What do we say? Should we start working on a plan to continue here?

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

What happened to the OP?

[The Cardwith Islands]

What happened to the OP?

Good question. We've gone some days without even an OOC post, let alone an IC post. OP is MIA, but like I said, they logged in to NS a little over a day ago. No posts and no TG for ages. That's all I know. If anyone knows more, please share.

[Old Beringia]

So does anyone want to skirmish or meet up in the jungle or the coast while we wait? There's still a lot we can do while we wait for op to come back. They created such a detailed and active playground for us to play in and there's opportunities for so much with such a divere group of nations. Not to mention some people haven't even posted once yet

Yes!! There is a lot we can still do, but we should look at doing it soon to keep the momentum going. We may have to face the possibility that we will either have to make contingencies on how to continue without the OP (seen it done before), or that this RP may be dead in the water. San Mazer checked in 30 hours ago to NS, but nothing on the threads or any posting to the forums at all. Hope all is okay.

As far as the little disagreement between me and Vrijstaat Limburg, that shouldn't hold up anyone else from posting. I will say right now, it will be easy enough to smooth that out. He can keep claiming the UN has given his nation the greenlight, as long as there's no claim of UN (or any world org) putting collective economic, political or military pressure on San Mazer or Shahita. For my part, I'll just ignore it as it's out of my canon and as long as we're not running into blue hats, it won't matter.

Lastly, Old Beringia, well done on that last post. Very nice.
What do we say? Should we start working on a plan to continue here?

I think that's our best bet to keep this one going. I think we should work on making a contingency plan for continuing without OP. But I think we should hold off on actually putting that plan in place for a few days and hold off on making any moves IC'ly to exclude OP, for the time being. They may come back, things happen IRL. And like you said, San Mazer hasn't been completely MIA, they've checked in recently but hadn't said anything. We should leave room for their return for at least a few more days. I hope they're okay too. I've tg'd them. In the meantime I see no reason to keep the momentum going, or try to pick it up since things have slowed down.

As for the disagreement I somewhat side with you on the matter. I don't recognize the UN and other similar real world organizations and I substitute the UN for the WA in my canon. I've RP'd with people that recognize the UN before and a long time ago arrived at the conclusion that as long as the claims about the UN have no bearing on my nation I just let them be. Just my perspective on it.

And thanks. It's been a while since I've rp'd on NS and I've been out of practice so that means a lot.

So does anyone have an ideas they'd like to try? In my next few posts I was planning on moving through the jungle along the river and then crossing the bay to the Wallcian held areas. After that I was mostly hoping to play it by ear. I was going to introduce my corsairs that I mentioned later on and bring in some more special forces for raids/guerrilla warfare in the north.

[The Selkie]

Yes!! There is a lot we can still do, but we should look at doing it soon to keep the momentum going. We may have to face the possibility that we will either have to make contingencies on how to continue without the OP (seen it done before), or that this RP may be dead in the water. San Mazer checked in 30 hours ago to NS, but nothing on the threads or any posting to the forums at all. Hope all is okay.

As far as the little disagreement between me and Vrijstaat Limburg, that shouldn't hold up anyone else from posting. I will say right now, it will be easy enough to smooth that out. He can keep claiming the UN has given his nation the greenlight, as long as there's no claim of UN (or any world org) putting collective economic, political or military pressure on San Mazer or Shahita. For my part, I'll just ignore it as it's out of my canon and as long as we're not running into blue hats, it won't matter.

Lastly, Old Beringia, well done on that last post. Very nice.
What do we say? Should we start working on a plan to continue here?

I think that's our best bet to keep this one going. I think we should work on making a contingency plan for continuing without OP. But I think we should hold off on actually putting that plan in place for a few days and hold off on making any moves IC'ly to exclude OP, for the time being. They may come back, things happen IRL. And like you said, San Mazer hasn't been completely MIA, they've checked in recently but hadn't said anything. We should leave room for their return for at least a few more days. I hope they're okay too. I've tg'd them. In the meantime I see no reason to keep the momentum going, or try to pick it up since things have slowed down.

As for the disagreement I somewhat side with you on the matter. I don't recognize the UN and other similar real world organizations and I substitute the UN for the WA in my canon. I've RP'd with people that recognize the UN before and a long time ago arrived at the conclusion that as long as the claims about the UN have no bearing on my nation I just let them be. Just my perspective on it.

And thanks. It's been a while since I've rp'd on NS and I've been out of practice so that means a lot.

So does anyone have an ideas they'd like to try? In my next few posts I was planning on moving through the jungle along the river and then crossing the bay to the Wallcian held areas. After that I was mostly hoping to play it by ear. I was going to introduce my corsairs that I mentioned later on and bring in some more special forces for raids/guerrilla warfare in the north.

I was actually going to describe the mobilization of the SDF-Force in a post coming up one of the next few days (which will not be finished by the end of that post), but I especially need San Mazer to post a reply to the diplomatic missive: Deploying a regular military force to fight in another nation's civil war without said nation's consent is just rude (and kind-of illegal, if I am not mistaken). The thing I'm going to try with them is basically drone warfare.
Maybe I will look at things happening from the perspective of one of the Selkie trapped on Shahita as well, don't know yet.

As for the aid I have apped with as well, I am waiting for a few cruel things to happen until I get them going.

[Nueva Cordoba Free State]

Nation Name: Nueva Cordoba
Head of State: General Augusto Hernandez
Type of Government: Junta slowly transitioning back to parliamentary government
Side Supported: In secret we will support for San Mazer target the socialist elements of the Shahitan factions
Initial ORBAT:
1x Blackhawk gunship
11x special operations troops
10x field agents
Reason for Entry in the Crisis: To strike a blow against Communist influence, we will engage in black operations which will be taken against certain Shaitan factions.

[Rhodokan Republic]

when will we be getting a post from San in the IC?

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Mazer is online right now. I'm really wondering what he's been up to lol

[Old Beringia]

Got a tg from SM, they've been dealing with some IRL stuff and hasn't been able to reply or let us know. They're sorry about the absence. I didn't ask about the rp because it seemed kind of crass to do so, all things considered.

[Cedoria]

I am still around and will post again soon guys, just so you know. Hopefully San Mazer will be back soon as well.

[San Mazer]

Hey guys, sorry for the disappearance but I've just been dealing with some personal IRL stuff that's made it hard for me to get online, let alone string some thoughts together for IC or OOC posting. Apologies to keep all of you waiting and in suspense like this, especially if you were really interested in the RP, but RL doesn't take prisoners in some cases.

I'll see how things progress in the next few days and if I can try and get back on my feet, then I'll be sure to let you guys know how we can proceed from there.

Thanks for being understanding and remember to be excellent to one another!