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A Threat Realised Planning (OOC, TWI Only)

A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]
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A Threat Realised Planning (OOC, TWI Only)

Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:50 am

Ever since the overthrow of the Lortik Empire by Maximilien I in 1718, aggravated by the herding of Lortik nobles into Alkanost and the fringes of the former territory Bellemon, Lortik nobles and peasants alike have sought to reclaim their lost empire, and recover parts of their lost ancestral homeland in the Ilse.

Leading up to the massacre, the elder Duc de Bellemon was killed by a bomb under a bridge, with Ilsan suspicions heavily directed towards the Lortiks, and thus more or less ignorant of SHOCK’s involvement. While SHOCK will initially go unnoticed, a foreign, then Ilsan, agents will discover their connexion, causing world disassociation from the cause, whilst giving Ilsan public support for the war a strong boost.

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1. Death of Duc de Bellemon
2. The Massacre (retaliation as later justification)
3. Magarati offensive and Ilsan silence
4. Renewed offensive with evidence and denial
5. League stuff?
6. Proclamation of Lortik State
7. Magarati Recognition
8. (Civil) War begins
9. Ilsan victories and atrocities
10. Weinam intervention, as well as Magarati intervention
11. Ilsan defeats
12. Discovery of SHOCK ties to Lortiks (You are here)
13. Lortik Allies withdraw
14. Ilsan victories
15. Final Ilsan victory
16. Lortik Exile

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Postby Athara Magarat » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:24 pm

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Postby Verdon » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:48 pm

Hey, what do you want us to do in the League? There's still really not enough concrete evidence for us to take any action. Are you looking for a particular outcome with that resolution? It looks like you have the Lortiks lose in the end, so I'm assuming the recognition resolution will be declined (as it should be at this point).

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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:17 am

Verdon wrote:Hey, what do you want us to do in the League? There's still really not enough concrete evidence for us to take any action. Are you looking for a particular outcome with that resolution? It looks like you have the Lortiks lose in the end, so I'm assuming the recognition resolution will be declined (as it should be at this point).
Yes. In the League, I would like it if niether resolution is passed, mine because of how ridiculous it would be ICly, and because it force me to leave the League, which I do not want IC or OOC. However, if the League were to condemn or give the Ilse observer status I would be fine. That is to say, as long as the Ilse is not removed, and the Lortiks remain unrecognised, I do not mind what the League specifically does.

I would support OOC a resolution demoting the Ilse and expelling the Lortik pseudo-delegate, though not ICly, where the Ilse would abstain.
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Postby Verdon » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:29 pm

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:
Verdon wrote:Hey, what do you want us to do in the League? There's still really not enough concrete evidence for us to take any action. Are you looking for a particular outcome with that resolution? It looks like you have the Lortiks lose in the end, so I'm assuming the recognition resolution will be declined (as it should be at this point).
Yes. In the League, I would like it if niether resolution is passed, mine because of how ridiculous it would be ICly, and because it force me to leave the League, which I do not want IC or OOC. However, if the League were to condemn or give the Ilse observer status I would be fine. That is to say, as long as the Ilse is not removed, and the Lortiks remain unrecognised, I do not mind what the League specifically does.

I would support OOC a resolution demoting the Ilse and expelling the Lortik pseudo-delegate, though not ICly, where the Ilse would abstain.

That's what I thought, just checking.
Wouldn't want to bring the whole League down on you by mistake.

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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:00 am

Verdon wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote: Yes. In the League, I would like it if niether resolution is passed, mine because of how ridiculous it would be ICly, and because it force me to leave the League, which I do not want IC or OOC. However, if the League were to condemn or give the Ilse observer status I would be fine. That is to say, as long as the Ilse is not removed, and the Lortiks remain unrecognised, I do not mind what the League specifically does.

I would support OOC a resolution demoting the Ilse and expelling the Lortik pseudo-delegate, though not ICly, where the Ilse would abstain.

That's what I thought, just checking.
Wouldn't want to bring the whole League down on you by mistake.

I appreciate that. :)

I will make a news post soon, and have some atrocities occur (probably along mediaeval lines, like Limoges, in addition to sinking a few refugee boats, thoygh those will probably be less common, as the geberal Lortik mentality is to go fight the invader).

AM, do you want to have a reporter there, whi can provide a factual contrast to official Ilsan accounts. It would also be good to start planning AM’s response after Ilsan persistance and direct threats to AM.
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Postby Weinam » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:25 pm

Would it mess up your storyline if Weinam was to side with AM and push it's influence into the South Merder Sea.
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Postby Verdon » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:45 pm

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:I appreciate that. :)

To be honest, I'd still like to do some shared history stuff with you at some point like we talked about last year. Verdon has a high opinion of the Ilse, although we view your government organization as less efficient than ours. I haven't gotten a chance to RP that yet, so I'm going to attempt to do so by continuing to use the "we still don't have actual proof" argument in the League. If you need someone to send you help with the issue, I'd be up for it - though I'd prefer it to be a bit secretive.

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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:18 am

I am going to start an IC thread shortly.

Weinam wrote:Would it mess up your storyline if Weinam was to side with AM and push it's influence into the South Merder Sea.

I assume you have talked to Athara Magarat? You could probably be a substitute for the C6.

When you say ‘push your influence’, what precisely do you mean?
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Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:I appreciate that. :)

To be honest, I'd still like to do some shared history stuff with you at some point like we talked about last year. Verdon has a high opinion of the Ilse, although we view your government organization as less efficient than ours. I haven't gotten a chance to RP that yet, so I'm going to attempt to do so by continuing to use the "we still don't have actual proof" argument in the League. If you need someone to send you help with the issue, I'd be up for it - though I'd prefer it to be a bit secretive.

Perhaps you could assist through arbitrating the conflict around Events 15 and 16? Also, I have sent you a telegram.
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Postby Weinam » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:24 am

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:When you say ‘push your influence’, what precisely do you mean?


We have spoken briefly in TG, he directed me to this thread.

Weinam is a little disgrunted at the sinking of an AM ship. Weinam sees AM as a potential site of Communist influence so it's likely to be getting friendly and will be offering help or assistance during this crisis. Weinam will try over time to push it's influence across all four corners of the map. This fighting sees a perfect opportunity to slip into international attention.
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:05 pm

Weinam wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:When you say ‘push your influence’, what precisely do you mean?


We have spoken briefly in TG, he directed me to this thread.

Weinam is a little disgrunted at the sinking of an AM ship. Weinam sees AM as a potential site of Communist influence so it's likely to be getting friendly and will be offering help or assistance during this crisis. Weinam will try over time to push it's influence across all four corners of the map. This fighting sees a perfect opportunity to slip into international attention.

So what precisely do you plan to do? Are you going to reprimand the Ilsan government verbally, or make a show of force?
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Postby Weinam » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:33 pm

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:So what precisely do you plan to do? Are you going to reprimand the Ilsan government verbally, or make a show of force?


It's likely that with AM's agreement, Weinam will station a few of her ships in the region and perhaps engage with Ilsan with a few stray missiles and see what develops afterwards. Weinam has 2 objectives they can play out here, show a compassionate side in assisting AM since Ilsan sunk a ship not engaged in combat, while also getting a toehold in the area and causing a stir to the democratic powers.
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:46 pm

Weinam wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:So what precisely do you plan to do? Are you going to reprimand the Ilsan government verbally, or make a show of force?


It's likely that with AM's agreement, Weinam will station a few of her ships in the region and perhaps engage with Ilsan with a few stray missiles and see what develops afterwards. Weinam has 2 objectives they can play out here, show a compassionate side in assisting AM since Ilsan sunk a ship not engaged in combat, while also getting a toehold in the area and causing a stir to the democratic powers.

Alright, sorry for the late response, but I have an idea.

Weinam lifts the Ilsan blockade with a strong fleet and delivers weapons and equipment to the Lortiks in exchange for sovereignty over this island, and rights to build a naval and air force base.

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We might do a bit of shooting, but we can discuss that further.
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Postby Weinam » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:04 pm

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:Weinam lifts the Ilsan blockade with a strong fleet and delivers weapons and equipment to the Lortiks in exchange for sovereignty over this island, and rights to build a naval and air force base.
We might do a bit of shooting, but we can discuss that further.


Hmmm, Ok that sounds like a fun story-line. Count me in.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu May 03, 2018 5:14 am

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:It's likely that with AM's agreement, Weinam will station a few of her ships in the region and perhaps engage with Ilsan with a few stray missiles and see what develops afterwards. Weinam has 2 objectives they can play out here, show a compassionate side in assisting AM since Ilsan sunk a ship not engaged in combat, while also getting a toehold in the area and causing a stir to the democratic powers.

Alright, sorry for the late response, but I have an idea.

Weinam lifts the Ilsan blockade with a strong fleet and delivers weapons and equipment to the Lortiks in exchange for sovereignty over this island, and rights to build a naval and air force base.

Image

We might do a bit of shooting, but we can discuss that further.[/quote]
If I am not wrong, Verdon has done work on maps for previous nation in your area.

Right Verdon? Could that be used as well?
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Postby Verdon » Thu May 03, 2018 4:50 pm

Athara Magarat wrote: If I am not wrong, Verdon has done work on maps for previous nation in your area.
Right Verdon? Could that be used as well?

???
That is the map, he's colored over it with provinces.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu May 03, 2018 6:30 pm

Verdon wrote:???
That is the map, he's colored over it with provinces.

That's cool then. We just need to sort out some cities and stuff, right Belle Ilse en Terre?
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Fri May 04, 2018 2:26 am

Athara Magarat wrote:
Verdon wrote:???
That is the map, he's colored over it with provinces.

That's cool then. We just need to sort out some cities and stuff, right Belle Ilse en Terre?

https://m.imgur.com/BAiOJA6
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Postby Weinam » Fri May 04, 2018 7:06 am

I think Weinam is ready to sink / damage some Ilsan ships and start the blockade / Weapon shipments.
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Fri May 04, 2018 12:50 pm

Weinam wrote:I think Weinam is ready to sink / damage some Ilsan ships and start the blockade / Weapon shipments.

Alright. You can damage a Berrydon Class minelayer while delivering arms, and I will make an IC and thread shortly.
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Postby Weinam » Fri May 04, 2018 2:04 pm

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:
Weinam wrote:I think Weinam is ready to sink / damage some Ilsan ships and start the blockade / Weapon shipments.

Alright. You can damage a Berrydon Class minelayer while delivering arms, and I will make an IC and thread shortly.


How about Sink your mine layer to mirror AM's lost ship. Weinam can agree to reimbursement costs with the League after the conflict ?
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Fri May 04, 2018 2:13 pm

Weinam wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:Alright. You can damage a Berrydon Class minelayer while delivering arms, and I will make an IC and thread shortly.


How about Sink your mine layer to mirror AM's lost ship. Weinam can agree to reimbursement costs with the League after the conflict ?

Sinking works; I have twenty of them, but I am a bit parsimonious with my modern ships... sorry about that.
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Postby Weinam » Fri May 04, 2018 2:17 pm

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:
Weinam wrote:
How about Sink your mine layer to mirror AM's lost ship. Weinam can agree to reimbursement costs with the League after the conflict ?

Sinking works; I have twenty of them, but I am a bit parsimonious with my modern ships... sorry about that.


It's cool. How about tomorrow Weinam announces it's involvement and confirms to have fired on a ship that was refusing to communicate or sailing too close to the Weinamese fleet. A small Marine amphibious landing can meet Lortik forces and start supply shipments.
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Postby Weinam » Fri May 04, 2018 3:48 pm

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:
Weinam wrote:
How about Sink your mine layer to mirror AM's lost ship. Weinam can agree to reimbursement costs with the League after the conflict ?

Sinking works; I have twenty of them, but I am a bit parsimonious with my modern ships... sorry about that.


Can you confirm some Ilsan military positions to soften up with an air attack to help the Lortiks and beef up my news announcement a touch
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Fri May 04, 2018 4:14 pm

Weinam wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:Sinking works; I have twenty of them, but I am a bit parsimonious with my modern ships... sorry about that.


Can you confirm some Ilsan military positions to soften up with an air attack to help the Lortiks and beef up my news announcement a touch

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Black represents troop concentrations.
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