MindWalker Civil-War (MT, OOC, Closed)

[Nyevzky]

Nation Name: The Federation of Nyevzky.
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation) Federation.
National Leader(s): President Agustina Axu Nidrapov. and Antov Pedro Hazerp.
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): Mixed.
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox):No state Religion.
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): Russian. (and Baltic)
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar: The Nyevzky Army ( Not completed )
Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 7.62x39mm Russian.
Approx Population 97.000.000
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? ✯✯✯✯
Military Service Branches: Naval Army, Air Service, Army Forces and Special tactics Forces.
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Peacekeeping, help in territorial problems, social problems, and economic & health support.

I don't have a inicial faction.

[Raltirian Denethier]

Yeah I have no intentions of passing out WMDs or trying to involve WMDs because that always makes NS wars way too messy. Nor would the Black Hand want to expand the battle to other nations because that increases the risk that the surrounding nations will intervene and topple both sides.

Eventually the Black Hand does intend to give the Kafka Warlords the means to strike the Kaiser's cities to cripple their production and logistics capabilities but that would likely only happen after the war heats up or if it starts to look like the Kaiser is building up for a major offensive... the Black Hand hopes to outpower the other backers one way or another.

The closest available things to super weapons involved currently, and that I will allow, is MOABs strapped to a ICBM or tactical missile. It's either huge facility, very large and expensive barely movable launcher, or nuclear submarine.

However, the nature of using any such weapon, is the escalation of force and the other side getting pity points they convert into more international support.

Did you read the post where there is a minor bidding war on Yaba?

Even then, a MOAB weighs 9,800 kilograms. If you cut down all the "unnecessary" mass, it's still 8.5 tonnes of explosive filling. The heaviest ICBM in existence (that is, highest-rated throw weight) is the Soviet/Russian R-36M with a 8,800 kilogram throw weight. Bottom line, good luck getting a full-size, MOAB-type warhead on most ICBMs.

While I'm here, what sort of political background do the two factions have? I'm mostly concerned with the Kaiser and the Kafka Family at the moment. Is this an ideological struggle? Is it simply a struggle for political leverage without much concern for ideological concerns?

[Vadia]

Nation Name: The Federation of Nyevzky.
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation) Federation.
National Leader(s): President Agustina Axu Nidrapov. and Antov Pedro Hazerp.
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): Mixed.
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox):No state Religion.
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): Russian. (and Baltic)
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar: The Nyevzky Army ( Not completed )
Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 7.62x39mm Russian.
Approx Population 97.000.000
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? ✯✯✯✯
Military Service Branches: Naval Army, Air Service, Army Forces and Special tactics Forces.
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Peacekeeping, help in territorial problems, social problems, and economic & health support.

I don't have a inicial faction.

Approved

The closest available things to super weapons involved currently, and that I will allow, is MOABs strapped to a ICBM or tactical missile. It's either huge facility, very large and expensive barely movable launcher, or nuclear submarine.

However, the nature of using any such weapon, is the escalation of force and the other side getting pity points they convert into more international support.

Did you read the post where there is a minor bidding war on Yaba?

Even then, a MOAB weighs 9,800 kilograms. If you cut down all the "unnecessary" mass, it's still 8.5 tonnes of explosive filling. The heaviest ICBM in existence (that is, highest-rated throw weight) is the Soviet/Russian R-36M with a 8,800 kilogram throw weight. Bottom line, good luck getting a full-size, MOAB-type warhead on most ICBMs.

While I'm here, what sort of political background do the two factions have? I'm mostly concerned with the Kaiser and the Kafka Family at the moment. Is this an ideological struggle? Is it simply a struggle for political leverage without much concern for ideological concerns?

What about a smaller nuke that is detonated higher, so it does the same thing?

Give me half an hour for the political stuff.

[The Black Hand of Nod]

messy. Nor would the Black Hand want to expand the battle to other nations because that increases the risk that the surrounding nations will intervene and topple both sides.

Eventually the Black Hand does intend to give the Kafka Warlords the means to strike the Kaiser's cities to cripple their production and logistics capabilities but that would likely only happen after the war heats up or if it starts to look like the Kaiser is building up for a major offensive... the Black Hand hopes to outpower the other backers one way or another.

The closest available things to super weapons involved currently, and that I will allow, is MOABs strapped to a ICBM or tactical missile. It's either huge facility, very large and expensive barely movable launcher, or nuclear submarine.

However, the nature of using any such weapon, is the escalation of force and the other side getting pity points they convert into more international support.

There's no way I could fly anything in larger than a few Surface to Surface missiles and I'm not going to risk deploying a submarine force when the coast is completely in enemy hands, that's just asking for detection.

And a MOAB by default is too large to be practical and it's not really ICBM capable in the first place as someone pointed out.
If I do start shipping in surface to surface missiles it'll be awhile, aside from perhaps a sample to try and outdo the competition.

Did you read the post where there is a minor bidding war on Yaba?

Yeah and I'm thinking about how to counter it, thinking about raising the price up to 90 cents to a dollar because the Black Hand doesn't need to be that stingy with their funding. They're going to try and out price the competition while trying to figure out more about the other mysterious buyers.

[Vadia]

The Kafka and Kaiser factions are racially, religiously, economically, and politically divided. The two sides are easier to kill each other, they call each other every nasty thing you can think of, and horrible things happen to civilians caught in the crossfire. I'm talking like non-consensual stuff.

It's like 3rd Reich and USSR, in how much they hate each other, or the level of Crusade vs Jihad.

[The Black Reich]

Ah just read through everything. Fair enough, it was purely an idea to get another storyline going, probably shouldn't have said WMD as much as I was pointing towards the SCUD missiles

Would I still be able to do a forced entry to save expats? I am not sure who I would support just yet, but I also feel like it wouldn't be support as much as "shoot at less as long as they didn't try to get in the way of our evacuation efforts".

Thoughts again?

[Democratic Reich of Germania]

Nation Name: Democratic Reich of Germania
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation) Republic
National Leader(s): Generalfeldmarschall Manfred Rommel
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): State Capitalist
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox): Secular/No State Religion
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): German
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar: I will make this soon if that's okay. I have just bought landing craft from Halcyon Arms and tanks from VMK Defence & Steel Works
Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 5.56x45mm NATO
Approx Population 39.000.000
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? I am a beginner to this game, but I promise I will not do funny stuff
Military Service Branches: Heer, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine, Wehrmacht Nukleare Abteilung
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Providing Support to Internal Faction

[Raltirian Denethier]

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I mean, you COULD detonate a nuclear warhead at a higher altitude, I suppose. Comparing effects is difficult thing, though. One thing I guess one could do would be to model instantaneous pressure experienced at ground level at radius x from ground zero at time, t, where t=0 is the moment of detonation, so P(x,t) in mathematical terms. The double-integral of that gives a figure in Newton-seconds which represents a total impulse, so I guess you could adjust detonation altitude to try and match blast radius and delivered impulse.

That would be rather odd in-character, though, since you'd be launching a nuclear weapon and deliberately setting it to explode so it does a lot less damage for reasons that only we, behind our computers, know or care about.

Using ICBMs without nukes pretty much shouldn't be a thing, anyway. They're just not cost-effective otherwise. You also run into trouble using ICBMs because, whether or not your missile is nuclear-tipped, the guy you are firing at is going to assume a worst-case scenario, and react as if you have a nuclear payload. So, honestly that makes conventional ICBMs even more wasteful.

But on topic, I'm thinking I would lean more toward siding with the Kaiser, on the grounds that the Kafka Family seems to basically be akin to a crime syndicate grown way too large, and there's nothing that would make Denethier interested in backing them. On the other hand, I'm reluctant to back the Kaiser because I feel like the loyalist faction is receiving enough outside support already. Wars are no fun when the majority of players pick the same side.

[Durastan]

Is it ok if I send in my assassins to silence some of my enemy leaders?

[Vadia]

Is it ok if I send in my assassins to silence some of my enemy leaders?

Depends on if they are an NPC, but stick to Kaiser nobles, maybe the brother of the Kaiser, who is still alive. Kaiser is dead.

Nation Name: Democratic Reich of Germania
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation) Republic
National Leader(s): Generalfeldmarschall Manfred Rommel
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): State Capitalist
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox): Secular/No State Religion
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): German
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar: I will make this soon if that's okay. I have just bought landing craft from Halcyon Arms and tanks from VMK Defence & Steel Works
Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 5.56x45mm NATO
Approx Population 39.000.000
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? I am a beginner to this game, but I promise I will not do funny stuff
Military Service Branches: Heer, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine, Wehrmacht Nukleare Abteilung
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Providing Support to Internal Faction

Approved, but make sure your stuff is not PMT, and tell me if you are backing Kaiser or not. Sounds like you are.

[Raltirian Denethier]

Wait wait, the understanding of military weapons and tactics part of the application is in reference to the player, not his nation? Oh, hahaha

I thought you were asking me to rate my military out of five stars.

[The Black Hand of Nod]

Ah just read through everything. Fair enough, it was purely an idea to get another storyline going, probably shouldn't have said WMD as much as I was pointing towards the SCUD missiles

Would I still be able to do a forced entry to save expats? I am not sure who I would support just yet, but I also feel like it wouldn't be support as much as "shoot at less as long as they didn't try to get in the way of our evacuation efforts".

Thoughts again?

I could see a forced entry for expats making perfect sense, like the US did in the past with other civil wars like Lebanon.


Also ORBAT for my force and maybe a post improvement tomorrow.

[Vadia]

Since no one is currently making that many moves, I have been rolling dice, figuring out outcomes, and will be posting an update. The current date is June 12th Early Morning.

The factions have been moved around and renamed, check them for what is different.

[The Black Hand of Nod]

Did Vixen ally with the Inheritors?

And is everyone more or less threatening to take out the rebels now, cause while this won't cause the Black Hand to retreat it does concern them greatly, they may be strong but they can't move things into the nation if there's an air blockade or major war.

[Vadia]

Did Vixen ally with the Inheritors?

And is everyone more or less threatening to take out the rebels now, cause while this won't cause the Black Hand to retreat it does concern them greatly, they may be strong but they can't move things into the nation if there's an air blockade or major war.

Did Vixen ally with the Inheritors?

The two new proviences gained by the Interitors happened quickly and with very minimal bloodshed, that is what you are likely to know.

And is everyone more or less threatening to take out the rebels now, cause while this won't cause the Black Hand to retreat it does concern them greatly, they may be strong but they can't move things into the nation if there's an air blockade or major war.

It would appear that Yeren won't leave a man behind. On top of that, it appears to have a network of treaties and/or allies that weren't in place a month or so ago.

[The 4th August Regime of Greece]

Nation Name: The 4th August Regime of Greece
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation) Constitutional Theocracy/ Authoritarian Democracy
National Leader(s): Archbishop Spyros Papandreas and Prime Minister Ioannis Metaxas
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): State Capitalist
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox): Greek Orthodox Christian
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): Neither/Minority Russian
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the ... id=1010769
Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 7.62 x 39mm Russian
Approx Population 67 Million
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? 3 stars
Military Service Branches: 3 Regiments of the Theocratic 4th August Army and 1 Regiment of the Theocratic 4th August Marine Corps and 3 Frigates from the Theocratic 4th August Navy.
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Providing support for the Kafka Family's Army and trying to introduce the ideologies of Theocracies and Authoritarian Democracies into the region and assert influence.

[Vadia]

Nation Name: The 4th August Regime of Greece
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation) Constitutional Theocracy/ Authoritarian Democracy
National Leader(s): Archbishop Spyros Papandreas and Prime Minister Ioannis Metaxas
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): State Capitalist
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox): Greek Orthodox Christian
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): Neither/Minority Russian
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the ... id=1010769
Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 7.62 x 39mm Russian
Approx Population 67 Million
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? 3 stars
Military Service Branches: 3 Regiments of the Theocratic 4th August Army and 1 Regiment of the Theocratic 4th August Marine Corps and 3 Frigates from the Theocratic 4th August Navy.
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Providing support for the Kafka Family's Army and trying to introduce the ideologies of Theocracies and Authoritarian Democracies into the region and assert influence.

Approved.

[The Black Hand of Nod]

Nation Name: The 4th August Regime of Greece
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation) Constitutional Theocracy/ Authoritarian Democracy
National Leader(s): Archbishop Spyros Papandreas and Prime Minister Ioannis Metaxas
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): State Capitalist
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox): Greek Orthodox Christian
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): Neither/Minority Russian
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the ... id=1010769
Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 7.62 x 39mm Russian
Approx Population 67 Million
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? 3 stars
Military Service Branches: 3 Regiments of the Theocratic 4th August Army and 1 Regiment of the Theocratic 4th August Marine Corps and 3 Frigates from the Theocratic 4th August Navy.
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Providing support for the Kafka Family's Army and trying to introduce the ideologies of Theocracies and Authoritarian Democracies into the region and assert influence.

As an Authoritarian theocracy backing Kafka we should ally once our groups discover one another.

[The 4th August Regime of Greece]

Nation Name: The 4th August Regime of Greece
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation) Constitutional Theocracy/ Authoritarian Democracy
National Leader(s): Archbishop Spyros Papandreas and Prime Minister Ioannis Metaxas
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): State Capitalist
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox): Greek Orthodox Christian
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): Neither/Minority Russian
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the ... id=1010769
Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 7.62 x 39mm Russian
Approx Population 67 Million
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? 3 stars
Military Service Branches: 3 Regiments of the Theocratic 4th August Army and 1 Regiment of the Theocratic 4th August Marine Corps and 3 Frigates from the Theocratic 4th August Navy.
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Providing support for the Kafka Family's Army and trying to introduce the ideologies of Theocracies and Authoritarian Democracies into the region and assert influence.

As an Authoritarian theocracy backing Kafka we should ally once our groups discover one another.

That may be arranged however you might make deals with the Socialists and Communists which simply won't do. Nevertheless as long as you don't go out of your way to help the red demons I believe that an alliance can be beneficial.

[The Black Hand of Nod]

I'll try to get back into posting had a bit of a block this week.

That may be arranged however you might make deals with the Socialists and Communists which simply won't do. Nevertheless as long as you don't go out of your way to help the red demons I believe that an alliance can be beneficial.

At this point the Socialist and Communists are likely to attack my faction for being in the way so it's very unlikely there will be any aid for them unless it's bullets being fired in their direction.

[Rhodokan Republic]

Nation Name: Rhodokan Republic
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation): Republic
National Leader(s): Head Minister Aaryn Kastor
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): Mixed
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox): Secular/No State Religion
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): Danish/German
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar:

Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 9.5x39mm Rhodok
Approx Population 18 Million
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? 5
Military Service Branches:
Republican Military of Rhodok (RMR)
Republican Naval Forces of Rhodok (RNFR)
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Liberation: I plan to intervene and pacify all local factions and bring their leaders to an Accord to develop a hopeful end to the conflict.

[Vadia]

Nation Name: Rhodokan Republic
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation): Republic
National Leader(s): Head Minister Aaryn Kastor
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): Mixed
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox): Secular/No State Religion
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): Danish/German
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar:
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Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 9.5x39mm Rhodok
Approx Population 18 Million
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? 5
Military Service Branches:
Republican Military of Rhodok (RMR)
Republican Naval Forces of Rhodok (RNFR)
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Liberation: I plan to intervene and pacify all local factions and bring their leaders to an Accord to develop a hopeful end to the conflict.

Approved

[East Apikai]

Nation Name: Free Republic of Apikai
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation) Federal Republic
National Leader(s): President Kari Redwood
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): Social Democratic
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox): Free religion
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): Neither (American/British)
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=eas ... id=1011233
Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 5.56x45mm NATO
Approx Population 70 million
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? 3
Military Service Branches: Explained in the factbook
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Liberation--topple both sides and unify the country under a single democratic government--one that is thankful for their liberation and thus open to Apikaian interests, of course.

[Vadia]

Nation Name: Free Republic of Apikai
Government Type (Democracy, Monarchy, Republic, Confederation) Federal Republic
National Leader(s): President Kari Redwood
Economy Type (Capitalist, Social Democratic, Socialist, Mixed, State Capitalist): Social Democratic
Religion Type (Athiest, Secular/No State Religion, Catholic, Orthadox): Free religion
Racial Type (German, Russian, Both, Neither): Neither (American/British)
Link to Military Factbook or something Similiar: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=eas ... id=1011233
Caliber used on Service Rifle: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 5.56x45mm NATO
Approx Population 70 million
Understanding of Military Weapons or Tactics out of Five Stars? 3
Military Service Branches: Explained in the factbook
Reason For Involvement (Providing Support to Internal Faction, Peacekeeping, Debt Collection, Invasion/Liberation) Liberation--topple both sides and unify the country under a single democratic government--one that is thankful for their liberation and thus open to Apikaian interests, of course.

Approved, but you should likely talk to the Rhodokan Republic. Right now, I'll put you down as another side.

[Vadia]

I just wanted to make it known that the region has a reasonable supply of VG-1s made in small workshops, and a reasonable supply of 8mm Mauser (7.92x57mm). The MG-34s and ammo to go with them, will fit in rather nicely to what is available. The only issue is that it contrasts the 7.62x54mm used in the old Mosins and somewhat old PKMs.

The Zastava M76 should now have available ammo in the surrounding area.