What is this European Defence Association you speak of?
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by Republic of Altos and Stratis » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:30 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:09 pm
by United States of Devonta » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:30 pm
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by Republic of Altos and Stratis » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:59 pm
by United States of Devonta » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:02 pm
Republic of Altos and Stratis wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I doubt he has islands. I consider the Med the Mare Nostrum of the European Defence Association so you occupying even Lampedusa would be a casus belli. <.<
Fine I will only seize Sharqi Island.
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by Republic of Altos and Stratis » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:03 pm
by United States of Devonta » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:13 pm
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by Allanea » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:26 pm
by United States of Devonta » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:33 pm
Allanea wrote:Meanwhile I’ve conducted some research to back up my general suspicions about the air defense systems used by the QPRA in Tunis.
Here’s what I found out:
All of the weapons systems QPRA uses are gun-based (although some of them can mount a MANPAD coaxially, this is not very effective). They however differ a lot in capability – some are essentially primitive 1940s machineguns, others are modern-day C-RAM systems and could likely take down a bomb, missile, or even some artillery shells in flight with no problem. It doesn’t appear that the QPRA has any dedicated early warning radar installations (again, Qaidi will correct me if I am wrong), but the air defense systems themselves have their own targeting and tracking radar. This means they’re likely to detect any bombs or missiles once they come within about ten miles from the air defense systems, and shoot them down. No doubt if QPRA are well-trained they could have the less sophisticated systems fire based on guidance from the more sophisticated ones, or at least fire visually at oncoming missiles/bombs once the alarm had been sounded. The presence of the high-end systems therefore will make Qaidi’s air defences a significant threat to anything that comes within the envelope of about 4 km horizontally and 3-4 km vertically from where these individual guns are parked.
However, there are also (quite obvious) disadvantages. One is obviously the fact that they can’t be meaningfully hidden when firing (because obviously radar needs to be on to aim or even to become aware that you’re being shot at). Additionally if they want to be able to talk to other guns (to, say, provide aiming assistance to less sophisticated guns) they probably need radio or cable comms.
[One thing QPRA could do ithe same thing that ISIS did with some effect – make sheet metal mock-ups of their air defense systems, which (especially if you added a heat source like a running engine) could be mistaken by passing aircraft for a real thing.)
Another significant problem, and it can’t really be remedied, is that gun-armed air defense just can’t reach very high up in the air. An aircraft flying at 5-6 kilometers would be basically impossible to harm with these armaments, and QPRA would have to put its air force into action, which I understand has some quite advanced aircraft. Unfortunately I’m not sure how it would do so without radar stations telling them when to take off. Even if they do have something in Tunis (do they, Qaidi?) warning times would be horribly short. Possibly some are just kept on patrol, but that would come with its own disadvantages, since fighter jet engines are extremely short lived, and without a real military to resupply you with parts and engines you will probably just destroy your own air fleet just for flying it about for too many hours.
So for Qaidi:
1. Do the forces in Tunis have significant radar assets, beyond those that came with their air defense guns? If not, how do they detect enemy aircraft, especially stealthy ones?
2. How many fighter planes do they have defending the city?
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by Allanea » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:52 pm
by United States of Devonta » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:21 pm
Allanea wrote:If you're firing 'stealth cruise missiles' in 'mass numbers' something has gone wrong.
On the other hand, as I understand, QPRA personnel in Tunis are reasonably well-trained and a lot of the aiming of systems like this is partly or fully automated, especially the C-RAM stuff.
But there are simple and very lo-tec solutions to this.
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by Allanea » Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:27 pm
United States of Devonta wrote:Allanea wrote:If you're firing 'stealth cruise missiles' in 'mass numbers' something has gone wrong.
On the other hand, as I understand, QPRA personnel in Tunis are reasonably well-trained and a lot of the aiming of systems like this is partly or fully automated, especially the C-RAM stuff.
But there are simple and very lo-tec solutions to this.
Not really. It really depends how many targets you have.
Yes, even with automation, it takes time to detect, target, and fire. It's not like the movies. Its why supersonic missiles are so effective against CIWS. Also, coupled with a heavy EW environment it worse. Or a missile that can self-maneuver.
by Qaidi » Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:58 pm
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by United States of Devonta » Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:56 am
Allanea wrote:United States of Devonta wrote:
Not really. It really depends how many targets you have.
Yes, even with automation, it takes time to detect, target, and fire. It's not like the movies. Its why supersonic missiles are so effective against CIWS. Also, coupled with a heavy EW environment it worse. Or a missile that can self-maneuver.
Yes, but so far nobody has bothered to RP serious EW activities.
The only cruise missiles that have been fired, AFAIK, are subsonic ones.
Using hundreds of cruise missiles at once as people are wont to do in NS is something that's not very intelligent and opens the missiles up not only to being shot down, but to fratricide was well. (This is why when I do need to fire lots of missiles I do so in succession rather than all at once).
In short, yes, you're hypothetically right but so far there's not been anything actually posted tha would cause me to say Qaidi is doing anything unreasonable.
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by Qaidi » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:52 am
Allanea wrote:
So for Qaidi:
1. Do the forces in Tunis have significant radar assets, beyond those that came with their air defense guns? If not, how do they detect enemy aircraft, especially stealthy ones?
2. How many fighter planes do they have defending the city?
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by Qaidi » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:22 am
News: St George Territory to send aid to the Sultanate Remnant - Victores invades Qaidi, Derna has fallen - Allanean representative in hospital, almost died, recovering
by Allanea » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:42 am
Qaidi wrote:Well, the QPSR itself has many flaws. And, they aren't a full-blown country yet, the army is getting stronger day by day though.
by Qaidi » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:33 am
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by Qaidi » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:40 am
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by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:49 am
Qaidi wrote:Well, it still is getting support from its oil industry. And your bombing isn't helping the peace negotiations in Port Qadir at all.
by Allanea » Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:09 am
Qaidi wrote:Well, it still is getting support from its oil industry. And your bombing isn't helping the peace negotiations in Port Qadir at all.
by Qaidi » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:03 am
News: St George Territory to send aid to the Sultanate Remnant - Victores invades Qaidi, Derna has fallen - Allanean representative in hospital, almost died, recovering
by United States of Devonta » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:48 pm
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