The Fascist Dilemma OOC (CLOSED, TWI ONLY)

[Vancouvia]

Athara Magarat

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Planned invasion plan, in blue is roughly where the forces should be stopped, this should be a done in around 2-4 days,
If i'm correct this would be out of the Vancouvian forces zone

I will do a more accurate map, kay?

Please

[San Montagna]

Even supposing Albionite navy and air force were caught napping ... the air force could be flying sorties within hours of the first landings.[/quote]

That is why our airforce will be ready as well, and we would have the upper hand as well, that is if you are trying to defend AM,

But if its attacking us then its about even due to our low amount of aircraft, but the pilots are great.

[Athara Magarat]

Okay. This is the map.

Myagdi Island - largest city and the industrial center of AM and with 1.2 million pop. Currently wrecked by Ticking Flu; many believe wither SHOCK or SOAR had hand in spreading.

New Libang - capital of AM. Since Myagdi Island is not in good situation, New Libang is running everything in AM. Pop nearly 1 million or between 800,000-900,000.

Atish Town and Little Merrit - the port city where the 8 AM ships (others are in Kachee waters) are based.

Tiwe Sivn - The Doman city where the Covonantian naval base is located.

Arun Valley - Also known as Kirat Town. Most of the Vancouvian soldiers are operating either here in New Libang streets.

Ghan Pokhara - Tamu city near the mountains. The recruitment center for Noronican Gurkhas is here.

[San Montagna]

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Okay. This is the map.

ok, so the ships are stationed at atish town and litle merrit if I am correct, so some subs, and destroyers plus some aircraft would deal with them.

The Attack plan is altered, center group would make a push for new libang, Top group would cut off southern AM, and bottom group would take myagdi island, then aid in the push for new libang.
Naturally these would be stopped so not to interfere with the van-Am rp, except for a bit of bombing.

[Albion Invicta]

That is why our airforce will be ready as well, and we would have the upper hand as well, that is if you are trying to defend AM,

But if its attacking us then its about even due to our low amount of aircraft, but the pilots are great.

I'm afraid in the air war, Albion has numerical, technological and training superiority ... The only disadvantage for us is the distance, which would mean most sorties reducing their ordinance to make room for fuel tanks - or meeting with vulnerable tanker aircraft on the outward flight.

[San Montagna]

i''d say get half of the aircraft focused on attacking San montagna, then, the other half, going to AM, would be prone to attack by Jets on the way, usually while refueling,

This would get a god number out of action and possibly make the air war more even.

[Athara Magarat]

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Okay. This is the map.

ok, so the ships are stationed at atish town and litle merrit if I am correct, so some subs, and destroyers plus some aircraft would deal with them.

The Attack plan is altered, center group would make a push for new libang, Top group would cut off southern AM, and bottom group would take myagdi island, then aid in the push for new libang.
Naturally these would be stopped so not to interfere with the van-Am rp, except for a bit of bombing.

What AM military heads currently think is that Franco's forces will attack either New Libang or occupy one of the eastern smaller cities.

So, our posts should be such that this Myagdi Island occupation was a total surprise for everyone in AM.

[Athara Magarat]

Maps...another thing I need to really do

[San Montagna]

that works well

[Athara Magarat]

that works well

And you need to prepare for Ticking Flu as well. Myagdi Island is where 98% of the 30,000 AM death casualties to the Ticking Flu are from.

Ticking Flu spreading in the aftermath to San Montagna from the troops is one possible future scenario

[San Montagna]

Already thought of that, since we want to be safe, each soldiers is ordered to have no skin showing, and to wear gas masks at all times.


Also giving the heads up, in the first war post their will be the air raids, the attack on the AM ships, and the initial part of the landings

[Covonant]

I have updated the introductory section of the thread...is it all good or should I make any more changes or addition.

[Athara Magarat]

Special Thanks to Ainslie for the base map.

Yellow Lines - Major roads.

Dhorpatan National Park - A large chunk of grassland and forest. Contains several endangered species of flora and fauna. Ethnic groups like Danuwar people worship Ban Devi, the Goddess of Forest, and tourists and (invaders) can find multiple shrines inside the forests. NOTE: It is believed that SHOCK are active in the forests and smuggling raw materials for various drugs from here.

Shopping District - As the name implies, there are many stores and markets around here. But there also many offices and studios and small-scale factories and many houses in this area.

Industrial Area - Myagdi Island is the industrial hub of Athara Magarat and generates 1/3rd of the national GDP. So it is no surprise that this area is here. Many foreign companies and research facilities are active here as well.

Residential Zones - The Residential Zones have around 1.2 million population and the government declaring making the accommodation in this area free of cost [...and 50% income tax before that and...socialism bruh ] is the reason why it is so. Unlike the towns and villages in Athara Magarat that have only certain tribes as residents, the Residential Zones have made Myagdi Island a truly cosmopolitan place. Many schools, restaurants, colleges, hospitals, etc and other service-based companies are also in this area. Recently, the Residential Zones are being filled with refugees from Bhikkustan, San Javier, Arvan, etc...much like in New Libang.

Heritage Sites - You know...Buddhist monasteries, Whindist and Balnian churches, animist/shamanist shrines, museums, old Khas-Kirati palaces, colonial-era Atnaian architecture, foreign culture stuff, etc. Major tourist place.

[Albion Invicta]

i''d say get half of the aircraft focused on attacking San montagna, then, the other half, going to AM, would be prone to attack by Jets on the way, usually while refueling,

This would get a god number out of action and possibly make the air war more even.

You have to take into account timing here. Not all your planes will be up in the air at once - simply not enough tarmac to leave from. They'd have to loiter and prepare in the air to leave as a group. This could take hours alone. And once they're returned from their mission, that's it - crew and aircraft have to rest and rear. We'd be luck to be able to have each aircraft do two sorties a day.

What is your radar network like? Do you have a map on installations as they're the thing Albion will strike first out.

The initial counter attacks by Albion would see large use of good old *shock and awe*, there will be plenty of night time bombing raids on defense installations - much like open hours of Desert Storm.

[San Montagna]

Albion Invicta Here is a basic Radar map featuring major installations,

Also, If all goes well, we would have 2 major airports on Myagdi island in 2-4 days, so we would have a decent amount of tarmac to leave from. The plan is also to have 5-10 aircraft patrolling in the air at a time while 40% of aircraft and their crews are to be ready for immediate takeoff at all times, so basically crews just chill next to their plane most of the day, playing cards, watching a movie and whatnot.

As for defense against night raids, we can basically only do spotlights and AA guns most of the time, maybe some air to surface missiles as well

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

My apologies, for being, let me offer my thoughts. First, begore I get invaded/sanctioned with extreme prejudice, I would like to point out the current turmoil in the Ilse. The King had thrown his full support to San Montagna, and then decided to back out, a serious perceived amount of prestige has been earned by the Ilse. The King appears to have thrown this away, leading to hostile reactions from almost everyone in the government. The Reform Party, the largest faction, is split. Some wish to find an amenable solution, which likely will involve secretly arranging the assassination of Benito. Others, in light of Albion's hostility, will probably start a no-fly no-sail zone east of the Ilse. The Western Lords will likely be more or less passive, only selling to San Montagna (in defiance of Royal Decree), though bearing the brunt of the coming Civil War, which will likely pit George II Fitz-Faulkner(Rightful Heir) against Prince Armand de Blanchard II, (Heir Apparent). 'King' Risderkerk may also be involved, but will be more focused on helping San Montagna and subduing the duchy of Bellemon.

So, San Montagna, does Benito want some fierce and reliable Lortik Mercenaries from Alfwine and Ridderkerk?

Albion Invicta, do you wish to fight my patroling aircraft (Svalbardian Seraphims), or just get harassed?

Also, a legal question, if I subdivide, as mentioned above in detail, will JEF continue membership for the King's land, which will probably be Mont Saint Pierre only, or will you throw out the entire Kingdom?

[Verona Beach]

Don't forget about me! If San Montagna attempts a landing in AM we have Veronite Navy vessels patrolling the South Mesder ever since the Volkegoth-Belle Ilse crisis so we'd be able to intercept. Also, our Air Service is primed and ready to deliver air strikes in SM and on SM-held AM, and don't count out our special forces!

[Albion Invicta]

Okay, I'm just going to say this - an airport you've captured would be nigh-on useless in the first few days. Sure, assuming the tarmac is still in one piece, electricity supplies are up and running - a civilian airport would not be operational 4 days into the operation:

- no shelter for your aircraft to keep from being destroyed, they would have to sit in the open and be vulnerable to guerrilla attacks from AM partisans or air strikes
- equipment for refuelling would be useless, the nozzles and hoses are designed for civilian aircraft and are shaped very different from their military counterparts, not to mention to fuel you capture won't be suitable for all, if any, combat aircraft
- getting spares and fresh munitions won't be easy - it'll be a monumental task to bring over the supplies just for aircraft that operate there - which will strain your logistical units further as they're already trying to feed, water and resupply your 20k+ combat units and reinforcements

Even in combat scenarios where you're expecting counter attacks, it takes weeks to get a forward-operating base for aircraft up and running.

I'm trying to make heads-or-tails of your radar map ... what are the blue dots, exactly? For a nation that's been at war with itself these past few weeks, I'm very suprised that so many of those ... installations? ... missile launchers? ... or whatever they are ... seem to be up and running.

[Albion Invicta]

Don't forget about me! If San Montagna attempts a landing in AM we have Veronite Navy vessels patrolling the South Mesder ever since the Volkegoth-Belle Ilse crisis so we'd be able to intercept. Also, our Air Service is primed and ready to deliver air strikes in SM and on SM-held AM, and don't count out our special forces!

I don't think you've been forgotten! I think it would be wise to align your fleet with the incoming Covonant forces and be weary of SM counter attacks, otherwise you could watch my back/assist in helping establish air superiority.

Others, in light of Albion's hostility, will probably start a no-fly no-sail zone east of the Ilse.

What hostility, exactly? You mean what some of my MPs have been saying? That would be like seeing a news present on my tv channel say you're a silly country - then declare war because of what he said - a bit OTT.

Albion Invicta, do you wish to fight my patroling aircraft (Svalbardian Seraphims), or just get harassed?

I don't even know what air defence you have, but I guess I'll want to stop your nation from being a platform for possible attacks against my fleet - so may conduct pre-emptive strikes on your air bases with Eagles and let my Falcons and Tempests mop up and defenders.

Also, a legal question, if I subdivide, as mentioned above in detail, will JEF continue membership for the King's land, which will probably be Mont Saint Pierre only, or will you throw out the entire Kingdom?

Again, I have little understanding of your nation's politics - if the nation acts against Albion, then Albion will see the who country as responsible - not just part of it.

[San Montagna]

Those are Radar installations, the ones on the 2 isles to the left are projected too be working in the next few weeks. A massive number have been set up since Benito came to power.
Also, I meant I would have airports in 2-4 days, not that I would use them right away, But yeah, I know what you mean, it would be difficult trying to combat your better aircraft, the only thing we can do is attempt to intercept in the sea. Also note I am not particularly good with Military Aircraft, Air combat and related stuff like preparations.

[Verona Beach]

I don't think you've been forgotten! I think it would be wise to align your fleet with the incoming Covonant forces and be weary of SM counter attacks, otherwise you could watch my back/assist in helping establish air superiority.

Alright, sounds like a deal! I'll have the fleet re-position to better align with Covonant, and my Air Service should be able to split- one end going to protect Athara Magarat, one end to keep an offensive air superiority over the Mesder and San Montagna.

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

Don't forget about me! If San Montagna attempts a landing in AM we have Veronite Navy vessels patrolling the South Mesder ever since the Volkegoth-Belle Ilse crisis so we'd be able to intercept. Also, our Air Service is primed and ready to deliver air strikes in SM and on SM-held AM, and don't count out our special forces!

I don't think you've been forgotten! I think it would be wise to align your fleet with the incoming Covonant forces and be weary of SM counter attacks, otherwise you could watch my back/assist in helping establish air superiority.

Others, in light of Albion's hostility, will probably start a no-fly no-sail zone east of the Ilse.

What hostility, exactly? You mean what some of my MPs have been saying? That would be like seeing a news present on my tv channel say you're a silly country - then declare war because of what he said - a bit OTT.

Albion Invicta, do you wish to fight my patroling aircraft (Svalbardian Seraphims), or just get harassed?

I don't even know what air defence you have, but I guess I'll want to stop your nation from being a platform for possible attacks against my fleet - so may conduct pre-emptive strikes on your air bases with Eagles and let my Falcons and Tempests mop up and defenders.

Also, a legal question, if I subdivide, as mentioned above in detail, will JEF continue membership for the King's land, which will probably be Mont Saint Pierre only, or will you throw out the entire Kingdom?

Again, I have little understanding of your nation's politics - if the nation acts against Albion, then Albion will see the who country as responsible - not just part of it.

The nation, per se, is the monarchy, which has had its power so watered down after centuries of losing civil wars that each province is semi-autonomous. The King is comparable to Great Britain in a hypothetical situation in which Canada declares war on a party which is not at war with Great Britain. Does the third party declare war only on the autonomous Canada, or does it also assault Canada's nominal master, Great Britain?

My 'no fly' zone is a response to your mention of using ship near or in my waters to enforce the embargo. The Ilse (national government) itself would not authorise the patrols, but rather would condemn them, but do nothing.

If this is still confusing, tell me where I am being incoherent and I will try to explain it better.

[Albion Invicta]

My 'no fly' zone is a response to your mention of using ship near or in my waters to enforce the embargo. The Ilse (national government) itself would not authorise the patrols, but rather would condemn them, but do nothing.

If this is still confusing, tell me where I am being incoherent and I will try to explain it better.

I have never said I have deployed ships to your waters and I am not enforcing an embargo on you. Only embargoes mentioned by myself are aimed towards San Montagna, but my ships aren't there yet.

If they were, then they'd be able to prevent or slow SM's amphibious assault ... as of now, I have a handful of frigates that and catching up to Verona Beach's fleet - whilst in the coming days I'll announce the additional ships that'll be dispatched, most likely able to join the fight on Zulu +2.

Speaking of which, are we going to stick to real-time when the fighting starts, or should be role play each day over several days, before moving in. I have work and university over the next few days, so my responses will be limited.

I was thinking of using the above mentioned "Zulu +__" - Zulu being SM's initial attack and Zulu+1 being the first day of fighting, Zulu+2 the next, etc ... That way we can all role play a fair amount of action on each "day", even if it takes us a few days to all post what we want to post.

[Albion Invicta]

Those are Radar installations, the ones on the 2 isles to the left are projected too be working in the next few weeks. A massive number have been set up since Benito came to power.
Also, I meant I would have airports in 2-4 days, not that I would use them right away, But yeah, I know what you mean, it would be difficult trying to combat your better aircraft, the only thing we can do is attempt to intercept in the sea. Also note I am not particularly good with Military Aircraft, Air combat and related stuff like preparations.

Okay, before my head explodes, answer me these questions three:

1) Are those blue dots individual radar stations?
2) What type of radar stations are they?
3) Are they static?

[Wellsia]

There is also the Wellsian Task Force that has been seconded to the Albionite Navy during the Volkgoth crisis.