Wrath of the North (OOC/MT/Closed)

[Serpenteum]

Nation Name: No.
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy.
Leader: Tsar Konstantinov-Velichkovimir Desislav IV just call him Desislav
Side:

[ ] Tawwassen
[X] Atkemri
[ ] Other (Specify)

• Submarine Taskforce - COM: Cpt. Desislav Hristomir
  
  • VSNA S'omga (SSBN-032) - Novobarents-class sub.
  • VSNA Bas (SSBN-034) - Novobarents-class sub.
  • VSNA Kheringa (SSBN-035) - Novobarents-class sub.

Third Fleet - COM: Rear Adm. Stanislav Tsvetan

• VSNA Inzenada (Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier)
  
  • 36x Su-33 fighters equipped with various air-to-air, air-to-surface and anti-shipping weaponry.
  • 12x Ka-27PL anti-submarine warfare helicopters.
  • 4x Ka-27PV search-and-rescue helicopters.
• VSNA Beli Osam (Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier)
  
  • 30x Su-33 fighters equipped with various air-to-air, air-to-surface and anti-shipping weaponry.
  • 3x Su-25T fighters, equipped with anti-tank weaponry.
  • 5x Su-25KM fighters.
• VSNA Voin (Kirov-class battlecruiser)

• VSNA Admiral Aleksandrov (Slava-class cruiser)
• VSNA Admiral Chavdarov (Slava-class cruiser)

• VSNA Nerazrushim (Sovremennyy-class destroyer)
• VSNA Otlichen (Sovremennyy-class destroyer)
• VSNA Oglushitelen (Sovremenny-class destroyer)

• VSNA Bezuprechen (Krivak I class frigate)
• VSNA Kharmonichen (Krivak I class frigate)

• VSNA VS-033 (Berezina-class replenishment vessel)
• VSNA VS-037 (Berezina-class replenishment vessel)

• VSNA Traen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_S._Land-class_submarine_tender)

hey carl

Sorry, but I've made the RP closed for the time being. I feel like we already have enough people

does my Conscription still count?

[Valgora]

Sorry, but I've made the RP closed for the time being. I feel like we already have enough people

does my Conscription still count?

Considering that you applied on the first page, probably.

[Tawwassen]

Sorry, but I've made the RP closed for the time being. I feel like we already have enough people

does my Conscription still count?

1) What do you mean?
2) How do you have tanks underwater?
3) How do you have 65 Air Craft Carriers?

The numbers you listed are just way to much to be realistic or fair.

[Valgora]

does my Conscription still count?

1) What do you mean?
2) How do you have tanks underwater?
3) How do you have 65 Air Craft Carriers?

The numbers you listed are just way to much to be realistic or fair.

Also, 800 aircraft only need 10 to 12 Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers.

[Sankt-Mikhail]

Nation Name: No.
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy.
Leader: Tsar Konstantinov-Velichkovimir Desislav IV just call him Desislav
Side:

[ ] Tawwassen
[X] Atkemri
[ ] Other (Specify)

• Submarine Taskforce - COM: Cpt. Desislav Hristomir
  
  • VSNA S'omga (SSBN-032) - Novobarents-class sub.
  • VSNA Bas (SSBN-034) - Novobarents-class sub.
  • VSNA Kheringa (SSBN-035) - Novobarents-class sub.

Third Fleet - COM: Rear Adm. Stanislav Tsvetan

• VSNA Inzenada (Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier)
  
  • 36x Su-33 fighters equipped with various air-to-air, air-to-surface and anti-shipping weaponry.
  • 12x Ka-27PL anti-submarine warfare helicopters.
  • 4x Ka-27PV search-and-rescue helicopters.
• VSNA Beli Osam (Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier)
  
  • 30x Su-33 fighters equipped with various air-to-air, air-to-surface and anti-shipping weaponry.
  • 3x Su-25T fighters, equipped with anti-tank weaponry.
  • 5x Su-25KM fighters.
• VSNA Voin (Kirov-class battlecruiser)

• VSNA Admiral Aleksandrov (Slava-class cruiser)
• VSNA Admiral Chavdarov (Slava-class cruiser)

• VSNA Nerazrushim (Sovremennyy-class destroyer)
• VSNA Otlichen (Sovremennyy-class destroyer)
• VSNA Oglushitelen (Sovremenny-class destroyer)

• VSNA Bezuprechen (Krivak I class frigate)
• VSNA Kharmonichen (Krivak I class frigate)

• VSNA VS-033 (Berezina-class replenishment vessel)
• VSNA VS-037 (Berezina-class replenishment vessel)

• VSNA Traen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_S._Land-class_submarine_tender)

hey carl

Sorry, but I've made the RP closed for the time being. I feel like we already have enough people

Tbh, it feels like there may be a bit too many people already. Especially ones partaking in an active, military role.

Probably should've closed it a bit earlier.

[Serpenteum]

1) What do you mean?
2) How do you have tanks underwater?
3) How do you have 65 Air Craft Carriers?

The numbers you listed are just way to much to be realistic or fair.

Also, 800 aircraft only need 10 to 12 Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers.

1. i signed up on the closed page...
2. Borrowed tech from our neighbors.
3. Again, 45 of them are borrowed from allies.

[Tawwassen]

Sorry, but I've made the RP closed for the time being. I feel like we already have enough people

Tbh, it feels like there may be a bit too many people already. Especially ones partaking in an active, military role.

Probably should've closed it a bit earlier.

Mistakes were made

Also, 800 aircraft only need 10 to 12 Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers.

1. i signed up on the closed page...
2. Borrowed tech from our neighbors.
3. Again, 45 of them are borrowed from allies.

You signed up when it was still open. And underwater tanks don't exist in MT, and whether you borrowed them or not 45 carriers is too much

[Serpenteum]

Tbh, it feels like there may be a bit too many people already. Especially ones partaking in an active, military role.

Probably should've closed it a bit earlier.

Mistakes were made

1. i signed up on the closed page...
2. Borrowed tech from our neighbors.
3. Again, 45 of them are borrowed from allies.

You signed up when it was still open. And underwater tanks don't exist in MT, and whether you borrowed them or not 45 carriers is too much

alright, i'll only borrow another 15. and i'll ditch the water tanks.

[Tawwassen]

Mistakes were made

You signed up when it was still open. And underwater tanks don't exist in MT, and whether you borrowed them or not 45 carriers is too much

alright, i'll only borrow another 15. and i'll ditch the water tanks.

On top of the 15 carriers you already have? So 30 carriers? Either way, 15 is too much. The US has more aircraft carriers than any nation on the planet and they only have 19, and it doesn't make sense to send so many out at once.

[Serpenteum]

alright, i'll only borrow another 15. and i'll ditch the water tanks.

On top of the 15 carriers you already have? So 30 carriers? Either way, 15 is too much. The US has more aircraft carriers than any nation on the planet and they only have 19, and it doesn't make sense to send so many out at once.

alright, 12. but i'll have to use my base alot.

[Common Territories]

So just my response here to Valgora after being afk for a bit.

---

I said no such thing involving a queen and male genitalia.

I think you're mistaking what this meant. "If the Queen had nuts she'd be King." is a phrase; it's to make the point to someone saying stuff like "If only I'd done X...." or how I used it here, "If only a modern fighter had gun battles with other modern fighters!" Its merely to point out that just because something (A-10s) would be cool (shooting at each other with cannons), it doesn't mean it should be a thing.

Did I say it would be cool to see A-10s shoot at each other? No, although it probably would be.
I said the GUN (well... cannon is much more accurate a term) is cool.

Yes. Yes you did. And I quote: "Do you not think it would be cool if fast moving flying machines had to dogfight with cannons to take out other fast moving flying machines?" You even mentioned A-10's specifically because of their rotary cannon. But im afraid you're taking what im saying far too literally at times, especially when im simply making an example or using a quotable phrase. Not everything is a statement that's 100% serious. If I said "A penny for your thoughts?", I don't expect you to demand a penny from me for telling me your thoughts.

Railguns aren't only PMT.

Using the Civilization index:
Tier 7 - Stellar Settler (PMT)
Civilization may now travel across their home star system if they have one, with slow but practical speeds. Colonies on multiple planets are technologically feasible, and slower-than-light interstellar craft may have been sent out into the void. Genetic engineering and cloning are probably possible. Nuclear fusion may be utilized. Directed Energy Weapons may have become practical.

Considering that the US navy has been working on one for a while, it looks like that it will be much more feasible than colonies on multiple planets and more feasible than nuclear fusion.

Honestly, it looks like there has been less testing with hypersonic cruise missiles compared to railguns. It's just that one is more worth it (the cruise missile).

Also, I said that I was not putting it on my ships for this RP.

Yes, railguns are PMT. Unless you can point me to a working prototype on a warship that has test or combat records to list of its use, you cannot say it's MT strict definition. Feel free to bring any Mentor in here to see their technological definition on this subject if you don't believe me; some may say yes with loser MT guidelines, but any of them wont say yes under a realistic MT environment. To this date, the only working railgun is sitting in a test center shooting wind resistant metal blocks; it doesn't have the partnering battery technology yet to be used on a warship, and it only just got an automatic loader system. So will it be ready sometime in the future? Maybe, but within an MT scope? Not yet. The US Navy is just the latest body to be testing this technology too - it's been around since 1918, so saying "Well the US Navy's been working on it for a while now!" isn't a green card to be using it.

I don't know what this "Civilization Index" is, but if I haven't heard of it it's likely I don't care enough to pay attention to it or it's no authority on tech levels in NS RP - im wagering it's the latter. Just from what you quoted shows how narrow this index's definition of PMT truly is. Though your sentence "it looks like that it will be much more feasible than colonies on multiple planets and more feasible than nuclear fusion." makes me worry what your grip on MT is...

And no. Hypersonic missiles have been and are continuously being tested by multiple countries. It's far more realistic at this point since it has far more testing and experimentation done than railgun technology. Granted I don't know enough about that subject to go into depth, but I do know it has a more extensive test record than railguns.

Was I talking about 16th century warfare? No. I was not.
I was talking about how cool it would be for modern aircraft to fight actual dogfights.

Like I've said already, you're taking fictional comparative examples literally. My point here was to illustrate how stupid modern fighter pilots would be to try and get into a dogfight, bang bang, boom booming at each other.

Does down the line mean stupider?
I assume so.

It was to mean you could in the future prove to be more cancer in my eyes than mentioned previous cases. Just by the fact you keep using oversized pony meme reaction gifs, among other info im hearing about you now, you've easily topped the list of things I think are making MT cancer. But that's just my honest opinion

[Common Territories]

I think the fundamental disagreement here is Valgora thinks "fun should be cool, and it's ok if cool isn't always realistic" whereas Common thinks "if it's not realistic, it's not fun". Hopefully, no one here is incapable of "realism" (I hope), but Tawwa didn't want magic and everyone agreed to follow his lead. Can we please end this strife and argue about RP preferences some other time?

To answer this question, my personal fun in MT is aligned to that somewhat (it'd be ignorant to say that was a 100% description tbh). Im not disagreeing that a little unrealism isn't fun (I've conducted said stuff before so I'd be a hypocrite if I said it was never fun), but that doesn't mean all MT threads should use lose (like hallway lose) definitions of MT. The point im getting at is MT should be kept to a standard unless the OP desires it to be different. Of course someone like me would be turned off hearing modern fighter jets using magic, being piloted by ponies, and were forced to use cannons to fight and nothing else; im a strict MT player who values realism over... how do I say this... outlandish definitions/identities? But if the OP desires a thread like that it's totally fine since it's up to them to decide on it, or if they don't want it, to put their foot down and say no. Im just advocating for age old standards for MT, RP, and OPing really.

[Tawwassen]

On top of the 15 carriers you already have? So 30 carriers? Either way, 15 is too much. The US has more aircraft carriers than any nation on the planet and they only have 19, and it doesn't make sense to send so many out at once.

alright, 12. but i'll have to use my base alot.

I don't think anyone else has more than half that number of carriers. Take it down a lot... I only have 1, and I the most anyone else has is four. You don't need 800 planes, or 400 tanks either.

[Valgora]

Tawwassen

Is the capital on the coast? And is that what you (and me) are attacking?

[Tawwassen]

Tawwassen

Is the capital on the coast? And is that what you (and me) are attacking?

Yes to both

[Atkemri]

So just my response here to Valgora after being afk for a bit.

---

I said no such thing involving a queen and male genitalia.

I think you're mistaking what this meant. "If the Queen had nuts she'd be King." is a phrase; it's to make the point to someone saying stuff like "If only I'd done X...." or how I used it here, "If only a modern fighter had gun battles with other modern fighters!" Its merely to point out that just because something (A-10s) would be cool (shooting at each other with cannons), it doesn't mean it should be a thing.

Did I say it would be cool to see A-10s shoot at each other? No, although it probably would be.
I said the GUN (well... cannon is much more accurate a term) is cool.

Yes. Yes you did. And I quote: "Do you not think it would be cool if fast moving flying machines had to dogfight with cannons to take out other fast moving flying machines?" You even mentioned A-10's specifically because of their rotary cannon. But im afraid you're taking what im saying far too literally at times, especially when im simply making an example or using a quotable phrase. Not everything is a statement that's 100% serious. If I said "A penny for your thoughts?", I don't expect you to demand a penny from me for telling me your thoughts.

Railguns aren't only PMT.

Using the Civilization index:
Tier 7 - Stellar Settler (PMT)
Civilization may now travel across their home star system if they have one, with slow but practical speeds. Colonies on multiple planets are technologically feasible, and slower-than-light interstellar craft may have been sent out into the void. Genetic engineering and cloning are probably possible. Nuclear fusion may be utilized. Directed Energy Weapons may have become practical.

Considering that the US navy has been working on one for a while, it looks like that it will be much more feasible than colonies on multiple planets and more feasible than nuclear fusion.

Honestly, it looks like there has been less testing with hypersonic cruise missiles compared to railguns. It's just that one is more worth it (the cruise missile).

Also, I said that I was not putting it on my ships for this RP.

Yes, railguns are PMT. Unless you can point me to a working prototype on a warship that has test or combat records to list of its use, you cannot say it's MT strict definition. Feel free to bring any Mentor in here to see their technological definition on this subject if you don't believe me; some may say yes with loser MT guidelines, but any of them wont say yes under a realistic MT environment. To this date, the only working railgun is sitting in a test center shooting wind resistant metal blocks; it doesn't have the partnering battery technology yet to be used on a warship, and it only just got an automatic loader system. So will it be ready sometime in the future? Maybe, but within an MT scope? Not yet. The US Navy is just the latest body to be testing this technology too - it's been around since 1918, so saying "Well the US Navy's been working on it for a while now!" isn't a green card to be using it.

I don't know what this "Civilization Index" is, but if I haven't heard of it it's likely I don't care enough to pay attention to it or it's no authority on tech levels in NS RP - im wagering it's the latter. Just from what you quoted shows how narrow this index's definition of PMT truly is. Though your sentence "it looks like that it will be much more feasible than colonies on multiple planets and more feasible than nuclear fusion." makes me worry what your grip on MT is...

And no. Hypersonic missiles have been and are continuously being tested by multiple countries. It's far more realistic at this point since it has far more testing and experimentation done than railgun technology. Granted I don't know enough about that subject to go into depth, but I do know it has a more extensive test record than railguns.

Was I talking about 16th century warfare? No. I was not.
I was talking about how cool it would be for modern aircraft to fight actual dogfights.

Like I've said already, you're taking fictional comparative examples literally. My point here was to illustrate how stupid modern fighter pilots would be to try and get into a dogfight, bang bang, boom booming at each other.

Does down the line mean stupider?
I assume so.

It was to mean you could in the future prove to be more cancer in my eyes than mentioned previous cases. Just by the fact you keep using oversized pony meme reaction gifs, among other info im hearing about you now, you've easily topped the list of things I think are making MT cancer. But that's just my honest opinion

Look I don't feel like dealing with another "railguns shooting railguns" situation. Please cut it out. I'm fine that Valgora uses ponies and other things. In my nations cannon even though we don't have them in our nation we have seen them in other nations as I attempt to make every RP cannon (the timeline of that drives me insane.) So guys please stop.

[Valgora]

Tawwassen

Is the capital on the coast? And is that what you (and me) are attacking?

Yes to both

K
Good

My current strategy can continue.

[Sharko Federation]

Writing up my next post. Going to activate some electronic warfare countermeasures and attempt to sink the Tawwassen fleet with the F-35 swarm

[Zhouran]

Tawwassen, quick question: What's your country's main goal in this war? Is your country planning to occupy Atkemri or what?

[Valgora]

Tawwassen, quick question: What's your country's main goal in this war? Is your country planning to occupy Atkemri or what?

I'm not Tawwassen, but this is my nation's main goal:

[Tawwassen]

Tawwassen, quick question: What's your country's main goal in this war? Is your country planning to occupy Atkemri or what?

To Kill or Capture Lucky Wells, and pacify the threat his regime poses to our security

(Image)

Maybe a little of this

[New Roma Republic]

Ok I just read Valgora's response to my AShM attack, and there are a few mistakes tech wise. On the use of FLIR: 45 km away may be below the horizon depending on the radar height BUT you didn't use radar only FLIR, so the missiles would be too far out for detection because of its sea skimming profile. More likely contact would happen 25 km away.

Also, when the Umkhonto missiles reached the CASMs, one flew directly into the water before exploding. The resulting wave took out two of the sea skimming missiles by throwing them off course into the water. That's not how that works. It wouldnt have effected them. And 1 missile would not take out 2. They would be distanced apart enough from the launch.

Finally, I don't think you would have time to launch a counter strike with missiles. Let me us some math to prove why:
Speed = Mach 2.8 = 3440 kilometers per hour (unit conversion)

Distance = 70 kilometers.

So that would be 1 minutes 13 seconds total flight time.

When you assume that you will see them at 25 kilometers due to sea skimming flight profile: reaction time = 26 seconds.

26 seconds is not enough time to target and launch a counter attack

[Sharko Federation]

Rest in piece Tawwassen fleet.

[Valgora]

Ok I just read Valgora's response to my AShM attack, and there are a few mistakes tech wise. On the use of FLIR: 45 km away may be below the horizon depending on the radar height BUT you didn't use radar only FLIR, so the missiles would be too far out for detection because of its sea skimming profile. More likely contact would happen 25 km away.

Also, when the Umkhonto missiles reached the CASMs, one flew directly into the water before exploding. The resulting wave took out two of the sea skimming missiles by throwing them off course into the water. That's not how that works. It wouldnt have effected them. And 1 missile would not take out 2. They would be distanced apart enough from the launch.

Finally, I don't think you would have time to launch a counter strike with missiles. Let me us some math to prove why:
Speed = Mach 2.8 = 3440 kilometers per hour (unit conversion)

Distance = 70 kilometers.

So that would be 1 minutes 13 seconds total flight time.

When you assume that you will see them at 25 kilometers due to sea skimming flight profile: reaction time = 26 seconds.

26 seconds is not enough time to target and launch a counter attack

Damnit! I literally spent 20 -30 minutes just researching how to deal with with them.

Also, according to wikipedia, if the ocean was choppy enough, a wave could hit a sea skimming missile and basically cause it to go into the ocean.
Also, I went with those two missiles were headed for the same ship.

Wikipedia says: When under attack, a warship can detect sea-skimming missiles only once they appear over the horizon (about 28 to 46 km from the ship), allowing about 25 to 60 seconds of warning.

And the RAMs are linked to the same equipment the Phalanx CIWSs use.

[Sharko Federation]

Ok I just read Valgora's response to my AShM attack, and there are a few mistakes tech wise. On the use of FLIR: 45 km away may be below the horizon depending on the radar height BUT you didn't use radar only FLIR, so the missiles would be too far out for detection because of its sea skimming profile. More likely contact would happen 25 km away.

Also, when the Umkhonto missiles reached the CASMs, one flew directly into the water before exploding. The resulting wave took out two of the sea skimming missiles by throwing them off course into the water. That's not how that works. It wouldnt have effected them. And 1 missile would not take out 2. They would be distanced apart enough from the launch.

Finally, I don't think you would have time to launch a counter strike with missiles. Let me us some math to prove why:
Speed = Mach 2.8 = 3440 kilometers per hour (unit conversion)

Distance = 70 kilometers.

So that would be 1 minutes 13 seconds total flight time.

When you assume that you will see them at 25 kilometers due to sea skimming flight profile: reaction time = 26 seconds.

26 seconds is not enough time to target and launch a counter attack

Damnit! I literally spent 20 -30 minutes just researching how to deal with with them.

Also, according to wikipedia, if the ocean was choppy enough, a wave could hit a sea skimming missile and basically cause it to go into the ocean.
Also, I went with those two missiles were headed for the same ship.

Wikipedia says: When under attack, a warship can detect sea-skimming missiles only once they appear over the horizon (about 28 to 46 km from the ship), allowing about 25 to 60 seconds of warning.

And the RAMs are linked to the same equipment the Phalanx CIWSs use.

While it is possible to try and stop the sea-skimming missiles, It's extremely difficult when they're traveling at Mach 2.8. I'd doubt so many missiles could be shot down at that speed.