NationStates

"A Nation Divided"

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A TWI Roleplay - OOC
(Click for IC)

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The Charbagnian Federation has laid dormant for several centuries, using its past wealth and diplomacy to ensure it remained neutral in any Southern War, funding both sides of the war and exporting its mineral wealth to those who would seek harm to it. In the 1950's, Charbagnia underwent a military coup, installing a Soviet Government. With increasing militancy, Charbagnia became increasingly aggressive, toting its military might as a force to be reckoned with. The state collapsed in the 1980's and Charbagnia became a Federation, yet its authoritarian routes remained in full-force. Several occurrences of ethnic tensions sparked in the 1990's, with some of the French Minority in Charbagnia protesting against the Government favouritism of those of Germanic descent. Protests lead to violent clashes and soon any mention of dissent towards the German people was enough to land a person in the hands of the State's Secret Police.

The country also began its own WMD research in the late 80's, successfully testing biological and chemical weapons in the early 2000's. This research was known to the International Community only by rumours, but with new investigations and intelligence operations, the rumours are soon becoming fact. This, partnered with the increasing occurrences of ethnic protests and small uprisings of illegal political parties, means that the pressure in Charbagnia is soon about to burst.

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Introduction

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Welcome everyone, to 'A Nation Divided'.

Here is the proposed skeleton timeline of the RP (subject to change over the course of this thread):

• Violent uprisings take place in the Charbagnian Federation, with several factions protesting and instigating riots.
• One uprising evolves into a full-scale rebellion, forcing the Charbagnian Government to act. The armed riots look to be gaining ground until an 'unknown source' uses the chemical Sarin on protestors. The Government wants the populace to be in fear, yet this leads to further instability.
• At the start of the use of Sarin, the League undergoes an outside-investigation which concludes that the Charbagnian Government does indeed produce Chemical and Biological weaponry. There is also some evidence to suggest that it is also in the process of a Nuclear-Programme due to the nation's prior connections to Communist nuclear powers (New_Aapelistan?) which enable Charbagnia to gain nuclear knowledge from old nuclear technology. This sparks an international outcry, but Charbagnia refuses to acknowledge any League claims, increasing its angry rhetoric against the outside world.
• Several nations demand that Charbagnia disarm itself of its alleged WMD's, but it again denies any involvement. League investigators are allowed in but are arrested when they eventually find something of note. Charbagnia claims the investigators committed crimes during their investigations such as bribery to military personnel & factory staff and mishandling their interviews by use of abuse, etc.
• League Nations, CU, etc. impose sanctions on Charbagnia, but this leads to the further arrest of foreign citizens.
• Carbagnian Government is also found guilty of having connections to Arvanan human trafficking and various terrorist groups such as SHOCK or SOAR, funding those groups to destabilise the regional powers.
• This leads to Alliances or a Coalition of nations to invade the Charbagnian Federation. Nations may be doing this for several reasons, (Noronica doing it to have access to influence in the South and access to minerals wealth of Charbagnian Federation).
• War ensues, with rebel groups rising, using the war as an excuse to gain the momentum they need. This leads to several factions which may be supported by several Isle nations. This makes the war go on longer with factions fighting factions and the stability of the country falls flat on its face, leading to a Syria-type situation.
• Once the Charbagnian Government is overthrown, a Peace Conference is held and the sides claim territories, ending in the partition of Charbagnia. What I'm hoping to have is an East-West Germany situation, with the EUSR(?) and others supporting one territory while others supporting other sides.
• The territories can either be puppet-nations (as in the real-life definition of puppets) or just extensions of territory. This leads to border disputes and intelligence operations, etc.

As stated above, this is subject to change, but the ending is what should occur. No one controls the entirety of Charbagnia in the end. Instead, it is split allowing for tensions to rise over separate territories. Use this thread to give your ideas on what you want to be changed or added.

Rules

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• Because of the nature of this RP and what happened with the top-heavy nature of Arván, I'm going to have to ask that those taking part really take into consideration which side they want to take part in and...
• ...those taking part should be part of a Coalition of some-kind with other nations, we aren't all in this together, nor are we being individual about this, despite our individual goals.
• Normal TWI rules apply.
• Reminder - This RP is TWI ONLY, please do not join if you are not on the map of TWI and do not have established factbooks.

Tag.

noronica, vancouvia - shall we put the ARRF into the test with this one?

Ostehaar wrote:Tag.

noronica, vancouvia - shall we put the ARRF into the test with this one?

That would certainly be interesting, but the only issue is that the ARRF is primarily designed to serve as a defensive force in the Argean. How would we be able to use it in an offensive role?

Noronica wrote:

Ostehaar wrote:Tag.

noronica, vancouvia - shall we put the ARRF into the test with this one?

That would certainly be interesting, but the only issue is that the ARRF is primarily designed to serve as a defensive force in the Argean. How would we be able to use it in an offensive role?

You're right, although it has the relevant capabilities as it is. Maybe it's not a good idea - I'm not sure.

Tag.

Just because it may be a bad idea and may not work out well doesn't mean that people won't do it.

I'm thinking of a possible role in this RP. I currently have several general ideas:

1. Ostehaar will be interested in finding more about the various WMD programs, in order to develop the capability to destroy them (could be by aerial assault or by special forces). However, in an RP meant to be a war story, I suppose yet another espionage side-story wouldn't fit so well. So my idea is that information on the WMD programs will be discovered through cyber-hacking, and then the actual "action" in the story would be an attack against the relevant factories, laboratories, people, etc. - which would go hand-in-hand with the expected war.

2. Ostehaar could collaborate with Noronica in a manner which would require having Oster boots on the ground (like in Arvan). This is a rather simple way for me to get into the war, but it could only happen if Noronica actually asks for Ostehaar's assistance.

3. If New Aapelistan gets involved, I'd find my way into some coalition against him very quickly. :P

Ostehaar - I think espionage could very well fit in here, as A. someone needs to be the first to raise alarm bells that lead to League investigation and there needs to be special-forces operations against or alongside the various rebel groups, and B. I plan for there to be large amounts of intelligence activities after the war - remember I want the situation to resemble Post-War Germany. Noronica would be happy to collaborate, but I think there might be a wider collab like the Iraq Coalition.

Miklania - Glad to see you here. What do you mean?

Tag.

This sort of operation is what the Joint Expeditionary Force was made for...

Albion Invicta wrote:Tag.

This sort of operation is what the Joint Expeditionary Force was made for...

Interesting... I imagine that there may be wider interests between each member.

I was adding to the point about the ARRF.

Also, what is it with these military names? ARRF? JEF? I can just see tons of jokes coming from the other side.

Stronk Commie tag

Verdon is vehemently against any sort of chemical warfare so it won't take much to get us involved, obviously this would happen through the league. However, Verdon is also against using the league as a military force. What I imagine happening is that, as league sanctions are being put into place, some of the more ambitious league members are in talks to form a coalition. Say, Verdon asks the JEF and ARRF for help and to cooperate together on the issue.

This could help merge some of the already existing factions onto one side, if necessary. Of course, that doesn't mean those factions will agree in how to deal with invasion and aftermath.

How many sides to the conflict are you imagining? Obviously it boils down to two at the end, but what's the initial setup going to look like. Just rebels vs government?

tag

Miklania wrote:I was adding to the point about the ARRF.

Also, what is it with these military names? ARRF? JEF? I can just see tons of jokes coming from the other side.

JEF's dog says "ARRF!"

Bhikkustan wrote:Stronk Commie tag

YES! I was hoping to get an EUSR rep!

Verdon wrote:Verdon is vehemently against any sort of chemical warfare so it won't take much to get us involved, obviously this would happen through the league. However, Verdon is also against using the league as a military force. What I imagine happening is that, as league sanctions are being put into place, some of the more ambitious league members are in talks to form a coalition. Say, Verdon asks the JEF and ARRF for help and to cooperate together on the issue.

This could help merge some of the already existing factions onto one side, if necessary. Of course, that doesn't mean those factions will agree in how to deal with invasion and aftermath.

How many sides to the conflict are you imagining? Obviously it boils down to two at the end, but what's the initial setup going to look like. Just rebels vs government?

Your idea works I think. I think the League will just lead on to coalitions forming as you said, the League can't really set up military coalitions as an institution.

Your second point is exactly what I want. Members from several alliances will want larger land so this will lead to more tension and continued disputes after the war finishes, not just between the usual Communist vs. Capitalist.

Well, I imagine a Syria-type situation in that the rebels all have several different ideas, so it'll be Government vs. Rebels vs. Rebels. People can take side of the rising Soviet Party, the original Government, the Democratic Forces, etc. - However, this won't be a proxy war as actual invasion will take place, just with extra factional elements.

I volunteer to the job of following, documenting, and reporting the various war moves of this war.

Noronica wrote:

Miklania wrote:I was adding to the point about the ARRF.

Also, what is it with these military names? ARRF? JEF? I can just see tons of jokes coming from the other side.

JEF's dog says "ARRF!"

Bhikkustan wrote:Stronk Commie tag

YES! I was hoping to get an EUSR rep!

Verdon wrote:Verdon is vehemently against any sort of chemical warfare so it won't take much to get us involved, obviously this would happen through the league. However, Verdon is also against using the league as a military force. What I imagine happening is that, as league sanctions are being put into place, some of the more ambitious league members are in talks to form a coalition. Say, Verdon asks the JEF and ARRF for help and to cooperate together on the issue.

This could help merge some of the already existing factions onto one side, if necessary. Of course, that doesn't mean those factions will agree in how to deal with invasion and aftermath.

How many sides to the conflict are you imagining? Obviously it boils down to two at the end, but what's the initial setup going to look like. Just rebels vs government?

Your idea works I think. I think the League will just lead on to coalitions forming as you said, the League can't really set up military coalitions as an institution.

Your second point is exactly what I want. Members from several alliances will want larger land so this will lead to more tension and continued disputes after the war finishes, not just between the usual Communist vs. Capitalist.

Well, I imagine a Syria-type situation in that the rebels all have several different ideas, so it'll be Government vs. Rebels vs. Rebels. People can take side of the rising Soviet Party, the original Government, the Democratic Forces, etc. - However, this won't be a proxy war as actual invasion will take place, just with extra factional elements.

"Oh no, JEF is coming, and he's brought Steve with him. Whatever shall we do?"

I would think that some people would need to work through proxies, otherwise you'd have two nation's forces fighting each other, which would lead to war in other theatres. If one side were to commit forces against the others, then it would have to do so secretly, like how there were Russians fighting with the North Korean Air Force in the Korean War, or like how there are Russians fighting against West-backed groups in Syria, or like how there are Russians fighting in Ukraine.

I'm noticing a pattern with that sort of behavior.

Miklania probably won't be too involved in this war, but I am happy to assist with the planning and technical stuff.

Ostehaar wrote:I volunteer to the job of following, documenting, and reporting the various war moves of this war.

speaking of this...
I think it would be cool to have a 'devastation' map, to show where the country is being affected the most since the RP comes down to area control.

Verdon wrote:

Ostehaar wrote:I volunteer to the job of following, documenting, and reporting the various war moves of this war.

speaking of this...
I think it would be cool to have a 'devastation' map, to show where the country is being affected the most since the RP comes down to area control.

I suppose it would include devastation, territories/towns occupied, positions of large forces and their last recorded movements, etc. - something like good old war maps.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images5/sy ... 170613.jpg

Miklania wrote:"Oh no, JEF is coming, and he's brought Steve with him. Whatever shall we do?"

I would think that some people would need to work through proxies, otherwise you'd have two nation's forces fighting each other, which would lead to war in other theatres. If one side were to commit forces against the others, then it would have to do so secretly, like how there were Russians fighting with the North Korean Air Force in the Korean War, or like how there are Russians fighting against West-backed groups in Syria, or like how there are Russians fighting in Ukraine.

I'm noticing a pattern with that sort of behavior.

"I C6 guys coming behind us! Where's our League of friends when we need them?"

I guess. I guess there shouldn't be that many factions in case of a total proxy war. I am happy with some covert support.

Miklania wrote:Miklania probably won't be too involved in this war, but I am happy to assist with the planning and technical stuff.

It'd be a chance to covertly destabilise the EUSR's influence. If you take part as an aforementioned proxy supporter then you can work against the Communist forces without direct conflict.

Ostehaar wrote:I volunteer to the job of following, documenting, and reporting the various war moves of this war.

That would be awesome!

Verdon wrote:speaking of this...
I think it would be cool to have a 'devastation' map, to show where the country is being affected the most since the RP comes down to area control.

Equally as awesome! That would very much help with the partition at the end, taking into account the damage areas.

Wait, there's a sometimes Commie, WMD making, French minority oppressing nation right next to me? I have like, an actual past or present CB on these boys

Ostehaar wrote:I suppose it would include devastation, territories/towns occupied, positions of large forces and their last recorded movements, etc. - something like good old war maps.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images5/sy ... 170613.jpg

Something like this would be very helpful as we progress through the war. A Syria map would be very relevant with the different territories being occupied.

Corindia wrote:Wait, there's a sometimes Commie, WMD making, French minority oppressing nation right next to me? I have like, an actual past or present CB on these boys

We should collab on the history writing for Charbagnia as its still a WIP.

Noronica wrote:

Ostehaar wrote:I suppose it would include devastation, territories/towns occupied, positions of large forces and their last recorded movements, etc. - something like good old war maps.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images5/sy ... 170613.jpg

Something like this would be very helpful as we progress through the war. A Syria map would be very relevant with the different territories being occupied.

Corindia wrote:Wait, there's a sometimes Commie, WMD making, French minority oppressing nation right next to me? I have like, an actual past or present CB on these boys

We should collab on the history writing for Charbagnia as its still a WIP.

History works pretty well, it makes sense for the French to show up on two islands right next to each other. Maybe there could have been some intervention, economic or otherwise, on our part in the 80s or 90s though.

Tag

Corindia wrote:

Noronica wrote:Something like this would be very helpful as we progress through the war. A Syria map would be very relevant with the different territories being occupied.

We should collab on the history writing for Charbagnia as its still a WIP.

History works pretty well, it makes sense for the French to show up on two islands right next to each other. Maybe there could have been some intervention, economic or otherwise, on our part in the 80s or 90s though.

There could have been an economic dependence on Corindia in that time? If Corindia intervened in a positive manner, maybe they could have supplied the old ships in the Charbagnian Navy in the 80's/90's?