A Nation Divided (OOC | TWI ONLY)

[Noronica]

Noronica, correct me if I'm wrong, but the democratic rebels are the ones that will be the most sympathetic to the MSTO nations?

Definitely. There are separate democratic groups so once I list the involved factions then everyone can see who's involved from a native perspective.

[Vancouvia]

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[Athara Magarat]

Workers of the world, unite!!

We need good old communist revolutions as well.

Where's those brothers from the EUSR? Get yer tents over here.

Some hardcore communists (whom are scratching their heads on why AM has not joined the EUSR) from AM (where every party is communist) might initiate the often unused Communist Internationale of the Isles aka the Comintern of the Isles.

While the Hang/Hangma are politically unaffiliated (and often chosen from diverse fields like social service, military, celebrities, civil service, etc than politicians from parties), the current revamped parliament is now dominated by Ketseluvianists (who follow a political ideology founded by Aapelistanian Dimitri Ketseluv and often seen as nationalist communism). The Ketseluvianists and the People's Civic Congress call for greater than ties with communist brotherhood than traditional capitalist allies.

Bhikkustan and New Aapelistan, you could get the hardcore Ketseluvianists and the cadres from the People's Civic Congress (as in not AM gov) to sneak EUSR agents and other people to Charbagnian Federation from Kachee Sultanate (which is in the Pandiya Islands in the map).

Noronica, what do you think of this idea?

[Noronica]

AM - Don't worry, I've spoken to New Aapelistan to get his feelings on the matter and Bhikkustan has tagged the thread. I like the idea of having a Communist chunk of land as I said in the opening post as I want there to be multiple parties in this as I said.

[Noronica]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=337003&p=32628970#p32628970

First News post!

[Albion Invicta]

And a fine news post it is! Sets everything off with a bang!

[Noronica]

And a fine news post it is! Sets everything off with a bang!

Thank you very much! Posts will be getting a lot more violent from here on out. I think I might post more 'tension' news posts before I use the Chemical weapons.

[Samudera]

tag

this sounds promising

[Noronica]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=337003&p=32640473#p32640473

Things heating up now! The revolt in Harelbeke will be put down, but the next should be a lot more exciting, (and tragic).

[Noronica]

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=337003&p=32644438#p32644438

Breaking News.

[Athara Magarat]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=337003&p=32644438#p32644438

Breaking News.

Uh-oh!

Sarin?

Now things getting escalated.

[Noronica]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=337003&p=32644438#p32644438

Breaking News.

Uh-oh!

Sarin?

Now things getting escalated.

You'll have to wait and find out! (Basically yes, but you'll have to wait for a full story later to reveal the full extent of the attack)

[Dormill and Stiura]

So, how and should the United Estates get involved?

[Noronica]

So, how and should the United Estates get involved?

Well, once my news post comes out and its revealed that a massacre (with chemical weapons) has occurred, the League is likely to get involved and after escalations, coalitions will be formed from several alliances to invade Charbagnia. This will hopefully include the EUSR who will have a chance to nab their own territory afterwards, (read my above plans about the territories being split).

What you can do is; support the Government, (but I plan for this to be an Iraq/Syria situation so those supporting the Government will face international denunciation - hopefully) the Liberté pour les Gens Party, (a political party that wants to reform Charbagnia and reconstruct it from the ashes) the People's Socialist Democratic Party, (a political party that formed from the former Soviet Party after the dissolution of the Soviet Socialist Republic - the EUSR will hopefully support these guys) or just be part of the invasion with a coalition.

Whoever you support, I envision that the nation will be split and several territories will crop up like Post-War Germany. The People's Socialist Democratic Party may have a chunk of land that may join the EUSR, (if Bhikkustan and NA are onboard) the LPLG may or may not succeed as my main plan is that coalitions take control of territories and set up Provisional Governments or may set up the LPLG as their Puppet Government.

Or, some nations want to provide humanitarian aid so in that case may form an aid coalition from the League?

[Corindia]

So, how and should the United Estates get involved?

Well, once my news post comes out and its revealed that a massacre (with chemical weapons) has occurred, the League is likely to get involved and after escalations, coalitions will be formed from several alliances to invade Charbagnia. This will hopefully include the EUSR who will have a chance to nab their own territory afterwards, (read my above plans about the territories being split).

What you can do is; support the Government, (but I plan for this to be an Iraq/Syria situation so those supporting the Government will face international denunciation - hopefully) the Liberté pour les Gens Party, (a political party that wants to reform Charbagnia and reconstruct it from the ashes) the People's Socialist Democratic Party, (a political party that formed from the former Soviet Party after the dissolution of the Soviet Socialist Republic - the EUSR will hopefully support these guys) or just be part of the invasion with a coalition.

Whoever you support, I envision that the nation will be split and several territories will crop up like Post-War Germany. The People's Socialist Democratic Party may have a chunk of land that may join the EUSR, (if Bhikkustan and NA are onboard) the LPLG may or may not succeed as my main plan is that coalitions take control of territories and set up Provisional Governments or may set up the LPLG as their Puppet Government.

Or, some nations want to provide humanitarian aid so in that case may form an aid coalition from the League?

League's going to have a lot on its plate

[Noronica]

League's going to have a lot on its plate

I'm sure it can cope...

Also once this is all over the new ICJ can take on any Government members who are left.

[Verdon]

League's going to have a lot on its plate

I'm sure it can cope...

Also once this is all over the new ICJ can take on any Government members who are left.

When is the league supposed to react? Might not be ready for a few days because the docket needs to be cleared

[Noronica]

When is the league supposed to react? Might not be ready for a few days because the docket needs to be cleared

The League can respond whenever possible, I think people will hopefully react individually at first. Maybe news condemnations, I don't know.

[Noronica]

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=337003&p=32645269#p32645269

Larger post. Over 300 people dead from the Sartin attack and 200 or more kidnapped or shot by an unknown force.

[Vancouvia]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=337003&p=32645269#p32645269

Larger post. Over 300 people dead from the Sartin attack and 200 or more kidnapped or shot by an unknown force.

Vancouvia is very concerned that 1 of the kidnapped was a VEO agent, operating covertly in the city with his identity known to only a few select government officers which he used as sources. It appears to Vancouvia that this attack was indeed sponsored by members of the government; otherwise, was his abduction simply a random occurrence?

[Noronica]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=337003&p=32645269#p32645269

Larger post. Over 300 people dead from the Sartin attack and 200 or more kidnapped or shot by an unknown force.

Vancouvia is very concerned that 1 of the kidnapped was a VEO agent, operating covertly in the city with his identity known to only a few select government officers which he used as sources. It appears to Vancouvia that this attack was indeed sponsored by members of the government; otherwise, was his abduction simply a random occurrence?

Hmm. Interesting one.

The kidnapping (arresting) of individuals mainly targeted those in the People's Socialist Democratic Party and anyone connected. I think it would be interesting to have this be calculated as I plan to arrest many foreign members of the media including Noronica's Correspondent. As the Government is taking extreme measures now I think it'd be likely that one of the guy's sources ratted him out due to fear of his superiors. Ultimately it is your choice and I'd be fine with either.

Of course, Charbagnia will deny all claims of anyone being arrested as a spy which will make for some interesting arguments.

[Vancouvia]

Vancouvia is very concerned that 1 of the kidnapped was a VEO agent, operating covertly in the city with his identity known to only a few select government officers which he used as sources. It appears to Vancouvia that this attack was indeed sponsored by members of the government; otherwise, was his abduction simply a random occurrence?

Hmm. Interesting one.

The kidnapping (arresting) of individuals mainly targeted those in the People's Socialist Democratic Party and anyone connected. I think it would be interesting to have this be calculated as I plan to arrest many foreign members of the media including Noronica's Correspondent. As the Government is taking extreme measures now I think it'd be likely that one of the guy's sources ratted him out due to fear of his superiors. Ultimately it is your choice and I'd be fine with either.

Of course, Charbagnia will deny all claims of anyone being arrested as a spy which will make for some interesting arguments.

This puts Vancouvia in a difficult position. Usually VEO operatives operate alone and with little direct oversight. Was this operative supporting the PSDP without orders to do so? Regardless, Vancouvia will not admit to having a spy in foreign soil, although we obviously want him back for a debriefing. Our obvious recourse would be to step in to help restore order and release the captives, without revealing the reason why.

[Noronica]

Hmm. Interesting one.

The kidnapping (arresting) of individuals mainly targeted those in the People's Socialist Democratic Party and anyone connected. I think it would be interesting to have this be calculated as I plan to arrest many foreign members of the media including Noronica's Correspondent. As the Government is taking extreme measures now I think it'd be likely that one of the guy's sources ratted him out due to fear of his superiors. Ultimately it is your choice and I'd be fine with either.

Of course, Charbagnia will deny all claims of anyone being arrested as a spy which will make for some interesting arguments.

This puts Vancouvia in a difficult position. Usually VEO operatives operate alone and with little direct oversight. Was this operative supporting the PSDP without orders to do so? Regardless, Vancouvia will not admit to having a spy in foreign soil, although we obviously want him back for a debriefing. Our obvious recourse would be to step in to help restore order and release the captives, without revealing the reason why.

I think stepping in now would be a bad idea as the reason for doing so is a little weak at the moment. Once foreign nationals are publically arrested and the League has found solid evidence of Sartin and other WMD research being conducted/produced, then I think it would make sense to go in for an invasion. Vancouvia would also have a reason that would be favourable in the eyes of the public.

Also, Charbagnia still has a military albeit a crappy one. The numbers are still high enough and they are equipped well enough to provide for a credible opponent. Wouldn't Vancouvia want to gather up allies?

[Vancouvia]

This puts Vancouvia in a difficult position. Usually VEO operatives operate alone and with little direct oversight. Was this operative supporting the PSDP without orders to do so? Regardless, Vancouvia will not admit to having a spy in foreign soil, although we obviously want him back for a debriefing. Our obvious recourse would be to step in to help restore order and release the captives, without revealing the reason why.

I think stepping in now would be a bad idea as the reason for doing so is a little weak at the moment. Once foreign nationals are publically arrested and the League has found solid evidence of Sartin and other WMD research being conducted/produced, then I think it would make sense to go in for an invasion. Vancouvia would also have a reason that would be favourable in the eyes of the public.

Also, Charbagnia still has a military albeit a crappy one. The numbers are still high enough and they are equipped well enough to provide for a credible opponent. Wouldn't Vancouvia want to gather up allies?

Sorry I didn't mean immediately, but this will be our hidden incentive to support efforts

[Noronica]

I think stepping in now would be a bad idea as the reason for doing so is a little weak at the moment. Once foreign nationals are publically arrested and the League has found solid evidence of Sartin and other WMD research being conducted/produced, then I think it would make sense to go in for an invasion. Vancouvia would also have a reason that would be favourable in the eyes of the public.

Also, Charbagnia still has a military albeit a crappy one. The numbers are still high enough and they are equipped well enough to provide for a credible opponent. Wouldn't Vancouvia want to gather up allies?

Sorry I didn't mean immediately, but this will be our hidden incentive to support efforts

That makes sense. Noronica will have its own reasons for invasion as well, as I'm sure many of us will.