A Nation Divided (OOC | TWI ONLY)

[Noronica]

Ok, so. After thinking things through, I have a plan for what to do with post-war Charbagnia (at least whatever section I am given) as coordinated with Thuzbekistan.

Here's the gameplan:

1. Immediately After the Peace Conference Ends: A new state, based out of Levagny, and consisting of the States of Soignane, Altges, Clermont, and Maibeaux (ostensibly named the 'French Republic of Charbagnia') is formed, led by an all French administration that is very capitalist and pro-Dyson. This state is formed with the direct endorsement of President Dyson and the Premiers of the Dormillian Republics as a "Republic that will truly stand for the rights of all Frenchmen" and whatever and whatever.
2. Within 1 Month after the formation of the Republic: After a brief calm, the CPA begins terrorist attacks across the Republic, declaring that their revolution has never ended. This will receive tacit but not overt support from Thuzbekistan as they begin to reconsider their missions in the area.
3. From the time between 1 and 7 months after the formation of the Republic: The intensity of the CPA's attacks grow, eventually resulting in overt actions between the military of the young Republic, the Dormill-Stiuraian Army, and the CPA over the fate of the new state. The citizens of the Republic are held in fear as the legislature is suspended and multiple rights are withheld to maintain order in the Republic.
4. 8 Months since the formation of the Republic: After intense fighting, the CPA begins to feel the strain of limited supplies and aid as Thuzbekistan gradually pulls out of the affairs of the CPA to prevent further international issues like seen in Orsandia.
5. 9th Month after the formation of the Republic: The CPA is rendered incapable of fighting, and most of its leadership begins to talk terms with the government, while a splinter group of anarchists and so on escape and go underground.
6. 10th Month: After negotiations, the Government pardons most CPA leaders except for the highest members, who are imprisoned for life for their actions. The remainder of the CPA goes on to form a legal organization (ostensibly named the Popular Front or the Charbagnia Socialist Organization), this is mostly an advocacy group with a small armed wing (for protection of important persons, assets, and events from anti-socialist agitators) which also forms the base for the nation's new Socialist Party.
7. In the far future: The splinter group will go on and cause problems for the nation, with hacking and terror attacks, being a thorn at the side of the government. Eventually, they gain assistance from a more covert Thuzbekistan and expand their operations in an attempt to usurp the legal half of the CPA. This might eventually reignite a long-term insurgency but this is all long in the future from now.

I very much like the plan! One thing that I might change is the number of states. I think Clermont and Maibeaux are a given being that they contain most of the French majority, but as we are splitting the territory into 5 zones, we need to keep Soignane and Altges open.

[Dormill and Stiura]

Ok, so. After thinking things through, I have a plan for what to do with post-war Charbagnia (at least whatever section I am given) as coordinated with Thuzbekistan.

Here's the gameplan:

1. Immediately After the Peace Conference Ends: A new state, based out of Levagny, and consisting of the States of Soignane, Altges, Clermont, and Maibeaux (ostensibly named the 'French Republic of Charbagnia') is formed, led by an all French administration that is very capitalist and pro-Dyson. This state is formed with the direct endorsement of President Dyson and the Premiers of the Dormillian Republics as a "Republic that will truly stand for the rights of all Frenchmen" and whatever and whatever.
2. Within 1 Month after the formation of the Republic: After a brief calm, the CPA begins terrorist attacks across the Republic, declaring that their revolution has never ended. This will receive tacit but not overt support from Thuzbekistan as they begin to reconsider their missions in the area.
3. From the time between 1 and 7 months after the formation of the Republic: The intensity of the CPA's attacks grow, eventually resulting in overt actions between the military of the young Republic, the Dormill-Stiuraian Army, and the CPA over the fate of the new state. The citizens of the Republic are held in fear as the legislature is suspended and multiple rights are withheld to maintain order in the Republic.
4. 8 Months since the formation of the Republic: After intense fighting, the CPA begins to feel the strain of limited supplies and aid as Thuzbekistan gradually pulls out of the affairs of the CPA to prevent further international issues like seen in Orsandia.
5. 9th Month after the formation of the Republic: The CPA is rendered incapable of fighting, and most of its leadership begins to talk terms with the government, while a splinter group of anarchists and so on escape and go underground.
6. 10th Month: After negotiations, the Government pardons most CPA leaders except for the highest members, who are imprisoned for life for their actions. The remainder of the CPA goes on to form a legal organization (ostensibly named the Popular Front or the Charbagnia Socialist Organization), this is mostly an advocacy group with a small armed wing (for protection of important persons, assets, and events from anti-socialist agitators) which also forms the base for the nation's new Socialist Party.
7. In the far future: The splinter group will go on and cause problems for the nation, with hacking and terror attacks, being a thorn at the side of the government. Eventually, they gain assistance from a more covert Thuzbekistan and expand their operations in an attempt to usurp the legal half of the CPA. This might eventually reignite a long-term insurgency but this is all long in the future from now.

I very much like the plan! One thing that I might change is the number of states. I think Clermont and Maibeaux are a given being that they contain most of the French majority, but as we are splitting the territory into 5 zones, we need to keep Soignane and Altges open.

Alright then.

[Noronica]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=973934

That is now the Operation Swift Resolution dispatch complete! There is one thing, however, our force is significantly smaller than Charbagnian numbers. Now, I have calculated several nations' personnel numbers and have updated the factbook with them, but Ostehaar and Athara Magarat have not been updated for a long time. I'm guessing that as the war progressed, more troops were sent to the front line, especially on the ARRF's end.

Would it be possible to ask if I can bump both of your numbers up?

[Athara Magarat]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=973934

That is now the Operation Swift Resolution dispatch complete! There is one thing, however, our force is significantly smaller than Charbagnian numbers. Now, I have calculated several nations' personnel numbers and have updated the factbook with them, but Ostehaar and Athara Magarat have not been updated for a long time. I'm guessing that as the war progressed, more troops were sent to the front line, especially on the ARRF's end.

Would it be possible to ask if I can bump both of your numbers up?

Aye. Double that to 4,000.

But yeah...there would some controversy in AM but who cares

[Athara Magarat]

Thuzbekistan - Your people are in Tafort if I am not mistaken?

[Noronica]

Aye. Double that to 4,000.

But yeah...there would some controversy in AM but who cares

Thanks! I'll put them down now, I hope that there isn't too much backlash

[Athara Magarat]

Thanks! I'll put them down now, I hope that there isn't too much backlash

That would be mostly about AM needing help of VSF to contain SHOCK while soldiers go running around in some distant nation

But at the end of the day, most people even with their objections will go along with it because of the oldest alliance, the debts and commonality in C6/CU.

[Thuzbekistan]

Yes, AM. In the country side keeping their heads down

[Noronica]

Alright people, here is the first draft of the Post-war map of Charbagnia.

https://i.imgur.com/5Vt1ZOA.png

• Athara Magarat has Frébonne due to his operations starting there and because he wants the smaller piece.
• The French Republic of Charbagnia has Clermont and Maibeaux as Dormill and Stiura has asked.
• 'ARRF Base' this is the joint-administered State of Westinseln which will serve as a place whereby talks can take place over the state of Charbagnia and it will serve as a space for joint-military operations in the south by the ARRF.
• 'CH Government' is where the heavily-supervised government of Charbagnia shall administrate. This is also a space where Thuzbekistan could launch revolutionary-operations as we talked about before, (unless Thuzbekistan is more focused on the French Republic in the north).
• Zones 1, 2 and 3 can be split further if necessary, but they are to be each administered by one of the ARRF nations.

I am open to more divisions or different splits, (we could split Helmwerder like Berlin?) but so far I have made sure that everyone gets two states each apart from AM who asked for a much smaller territory.

In this current state, Noronica would be vying to control either zone 1 or 2 due to it being heavily involved in both during the war and due to past colonial connections.

[Ostehaar]

I am open to more divisions or different splits

Would it be possible to place the sensitive sites (nuclear facilities, weapon manufacturing plants, etc.) under Oster control or supervision?

[Noronica]

I am open to more divisions or different splits

Would it be possible to place the sensitive sites (nuclear facilities, weapon manufacturing plants, etc.) under Oster control or supervision?

I think that nuclear facilities would be fine, but weapons manufacturing plants and military bases would be useful to individual powers and their zones.

[Vancouvia]

This is kinda crazy but could Vancouvia just "have" Helmwerder (we will help with other ARRF areas if necessary also)? Patrolling an urban center surrounded by someone else's territory is interesting to me. Snipers on the roofs. Barbed wire. A wall eventually.

[Noronica]

This is kinda crazy but could Vancouvia just "have" Helmwerder (we will help with other ARRF areas if necessary also)? Patrolling an urban center surrounded by someone else's territory is interesting to me. Snipers on the roofs. Barbed wire. A wall eventually.

That’s why I was suggesting that we split Helmwerder like Berlin, as then snipers, barbed wire and walls would all make sense and add to the already building tension as every zone see themselves as the legitimate successor to Charbagnia.

Would that be a good idea or would you still want total control over Helmwerder?

[Vancouvia]

This is kinda crazy but could Vancouvia just "have" Helmwerder (we will help with other ARRF areas if necessary also)? Patrolling an urban center surrounded by someone else's territory is interesting to me. Snipers on the roofs. Barbed wire. A wall eventually.

That’s why I was suggesting that we split Helmwerder like Berlin, as then snipers, barbed wire and walls would all make sense and add to the already building tension as every zone see themselves as the legitimate successor to Charbagnia.

Would that be a good idea or would you still want total control over Helmwerder?

Sure that's fine

[Samaj]

Could I join in?

[Miklania]

That A-Bomb that was dropped in the ocean last month? Made by some group in Charbagnia. We recovered it, as you may recall, and took it back to Miklania instead of handing it over to the Wellsians. We dissected it, and with the help of the Osters, determined the origin of the fissile material: a nuclear reactor in Altges, Charbagnia. We have clues, yet to be solved, that could tell us exactly who put it together. Whenever we do that, we will be inviting everybody to observe the final disassembly of the device.

I'll be posting a short dialogue between a Miklanian scientist and his Oster counterpart in the IC thread shortly, if no one objects.

[Samaj]

I like the idea.

[Wellsia]

Thanks to Noronica and Miklania.
Background on the Wayward Bomb. An aircraft took off from the Colony of Arobi (the island laying off the eastern coast of the peninsula. It dropped a dud atomic bomb in Southern Sea. After investigation by Wellsia it was determined that the bomb was built in a cave on the peninsula (Colony of Rudhula). The bomb was created by Charbagnian scientists. When Wellsian forces found the cave they were ambushed by unknown special forces and the scientists and their notes removed. Miklania at Wellsia’s request removed the bomb from the bottom of the ocean and have now disposed of it after examining it. Funce and Isonil have sent independent investigators to examine Wellsia’s findings.
The scientists and their notes are still missing, anyone wanting in on this is welcomed.

[Samaj]

Samaj would be willing to send some independent observers and possibly some army units to help.

[Ostehaar]

The bomb was created by Charbagnian scientists.

I think it would be more interesting if they got help from outside.

[Wellsia]

I will say this: Financing for the bomb came from the Colony of Vesperia (the Isthmus) as a Nebursian independence movement. As the wealthiest part of the Wellsian Empire they secretly siphoned funds off to pay for it. Other outside help could have been obtained as well. The biggest question is who took the scientists, their research and was there a second bomb.

[Miklania]

Posted. The origin of the special steel is the big clue that will unlock the secrets of the bomb's origins.

[Ostehaar]

I'm just always suspicious about the origins of some nuke-group's knowledge. Money they can always get from someone, and the same is true for equipment or materials. The know-how aspect is the trickiest - you can't just "import" it into your own scientific community - especially since there are things in nuclear weapons development that are still classified and cannot be found on-line or something like that. Even if those were Charbagnian scientists - they would still have to get blueprints, experimentation methods, specific technological solutions, and what-not. Otherwise it would have taken them many years to complete this task.

That is why the knowledge component has the potential to add a lot to the story: where did the Charbagnian scientists get the knowledge required for making nuclear weapons from? who were the foreign scientists that helped them do it?

I propose several options:
1. Rogue scientists from some nation in the region with nuclear weapons (Vancouvia? Polar Svalbard?) or with nuclear know-how in general (Ostehaar?)
2. Direct assistance from a nation-state with nuclear weapons (?)

[Miklania]

I'm just always suspicious about the origins of some nuke-group's knowledge. Money they can always get from someone, and the same is true for equipment or materials. The know-how aspect is the trickiest - you can't just "import" it into your own scientific community - especially since there are things in nuclear weapons development that are still classified and cannot be found on-line or something like that. Even if those were Charbagnian scientists - they would still have to get blueprints, experimentation methods, specific technological solutions, and what-not. Otherwise it would have taken them many years to complete this task.

That is why the knowledge component has the potential to add a lot to the story: where did the Charbagnian scientists get the knowledge required for making nuclear weapons from? who were the foreign scientists that helped them do it?

I propose several options:
1. Rogue scientists from some nation in the region with nuclear weapons (Vancouvia? Polar Svalbard?) or with nuclear know-how in general (Ostehaar?)
2. Direct assistance from a nation-state with nuclear weapons (?)

In The Sum of All Fears a terrorist group get makes a nuclear bomb in a cave after an Israeli Skyhawk carrying a nuclear bomb was shot down over Syria during the Yom Kippur War. They reuse the plutonium pit from the bomb, and fabricate the rest. The terrorist group gets technical know how from a disenfranchised former East German scientist who had headed their hypothetical secret nuclear weapons program. They bought the tooling from a company that supplies precision CNC machines for making eyeglasses. That sounds like a pretty good plot to use as a starting point. Getting to tools to make the bomb isn't really the hard part. Getting the fissile material is, and then getting your hands on someone who doesn't just understand the physics of how it works (pretty much any physicist could figure out the theory), but who actually knows the engineering necessary to make it work.

The baddies have the material and can easily get the manufacturing equipment, to fill in the brain gap we could make a recurring character, a WMD genius for hire, kinda like a Gerald Bull crossed with a James Bond villain. This guy could turn up in other RPs making superweapons for undesirable people and generally being a nuisance.

[Ostehaar]

I'm just always suspicious about the origins of some nuke-group's knowledge. Money they can always get from someone, and the same is true for equipment or materials. The know-how aspect is the trickiest - you can't just "import" it into your own scientific community - especially since there are things in nuclear weapons development that are still classified and cannot be found on-line or something like that. Even if those were Charbagnian scientists - they would still have to get blueprints, experimentation methods, specific technological solutions, and what-not. Otherwise it would have taken them many years to complete this task.

That is why the knowledge component has the potential to add a lot to the story: where did the Charbagnian scientists get the knowledge required for making nuclear weapons from? who were the foreign scientists that helped them do it?

I propose several options:
1. Rogue scientists from some nation in the region with nuclear weapons (Vancouvia? Polar Svalbard?) or with nuclear know-how in general (Ostehaar?)
2. Direct assistance from a nation-state with nuclear weapons (?)

In The Sum of All Fears a terrorist group get makes a nuclear bomb in a cave after an Israeli Skyhawk carrying a nuclear bomb was shot down over Syria during the Yom Kippur War. They reuse the plutonium pit from the bomb, and fabricate the rest. The terrorist group gets technical know how from a disenfranchised former East German scientist who had headed their hypothetical secret nuclear weapons program. They bought the tooling from a company that supplies precision CNC machines for making eyeglasses. That sounds like a pretty good plot to use as a starting point. Getting to tools to make the bomb isn't really the hard part. Getting the fissile material is, and then getting your hands on someone who doesn't just understand the physics of how it works (pretty much any physicist could figure out the theory), but who actually knows the engineering necessary to make it work.

The baddies have the material and can easily get the manufacturing equipment, to fill in the brain gap we could make a recurring character, a WMD genius for hire, kinda like a Gerald Bull crossed with a James Bond villain. This guy could turn up in other RPs making superweapons for undesirable people and generally being a nuisance.

That movie took it a bit too far, in my opinion. I'd say we need a few scientists at least. Not just one.