OOC: Price of the Jackal's Feast

[Grater Tovakia]

I am still confused, USSR claims to have personnel nuclear weapons that can incinerate division's of men, how does that not violate the rules of this RP?

[Shackley]

I am still confused, USSR claims to have personnel nuclear weapons that can incinerate division's of men, how does that not violate the rules of this RP?

Shackley has a ballistic missile cruiser and submarine as well as a small nuclear bomber fleet. There's nothing in the rules about having WMDs, it's just how you use them that comes under scrutiny.

For example I've initiated a biological attack on the Soviets, but only the one ship. Granted it could spread, but there's a difference between chucking some strains of the virus at a well-defended warship at sea and flooding a nation's dams and rivers with the stuff.

[Grater Tovakia]

I am still confused, USSR claims to have personnel nuclear weapons that can incinerate division's of men, how does that not violate the rules of this RP?

Shackley has a ballistic missile cruiser and submarine as well as a small nuclear bomber fleet. There's nothing in the rules about having WMDs, it's just how you use them that comes under scrutiny.

For example I've initiated a biological attack on the Soviets, but only the one ship. Granted it could spread, but there's a difference between chucking some strains of the virus at a well-defended warship at sea and flooding a nation's dams and rivers with the stuff.

I am fine with having nukes, it's just that USSR is preventing me from taking any action against him by using OP future tech.

[Shackley]

Shackley has a ballistic missile cruiser and submarine as well as a small nuclear bomber fleet. There's nothing in the rules about having WMDs, it's just how you use them that comes under scrutiny.

For example I've initiated a biological attack on the Soviets, but only the one ship. Granted it could spread, but there's a difference between chucking some strains of the virus at a well-defended warship at sea and flooding a nation's dams and rivers with the stuff.

I am fine with having nukes, it's just that USSR is preventing me from taking any action against him by using OP future tech.

Don't blame the problem, just find a better solution. This whole RP is pretty much "you can't win all the time" written the long way. Feel free to TG me and we can workshop some ideas

[1st Union of Soviet Socialist Republics]

Must I really have to explain literally everything about E99?

Dear lord. Alright. When I say there's Assault rifles. And they may have some E99 juice in them. That means, the bullets themselves are infused with E99. Making them quite deadly. The same principle applies to the missile launchers used by the USSR's troops. Essentially think of it as depleted uranium. ..Except not depleted.. Okay? Insert english accented sigh here because I really hope that explanation suffices.

Oh and yes. E99 bombs are quite powerful too. ...Given one dropped on Washington DC in Singularity did quite a bit of damage to the US eastern coast as a whole. ....But you know, I'm a nutter and willing to use world ending weapons to defend myself. The question is, are you willing to chance it. That tis the key.

[Allanea]

Okay, it brings me no pleasure to be making this post.

Weapons such as you described, my Soviet Friend, are clearly not MT, nor are they, strictly speaking, PMT. They are to anyone's knowledge not based on any current physical principle (except, perhaps, the urban myth of Californium bullets?). Furthermore, they appear to be, for all intents and purposes, nuclear weapons without the use of the word.

All of this would make it already a breach of the rules of the thread as we established them at the beginning together with all participants to use them. Already on these grounds I have to object to their use, in my capacity as the thread OP.

But furthermore, they're entirely not necessary for the defense of your nation. Your nation - as it is basically a PMT edition of the Soviet Union as it existed at the peak of its military might - has at its disposal millions of well-trained troops, hundreds of warships, and a four-digit number of fighter jets. If the enemy somehow defeated all your troops and burst through to your capital, your Tagil tank factories could build several divisions' worth of PMT tanks, while your training bases train the drivers, all this before the enemy soldiers got to Moscow.

It is entirely not necessary to take a route that leads to OOC frustrations and arguments with other players, at a time where both your knowledge of military strategy and the claimed IC armed force of your nation is entirely sufficient for the situation at hand.

[Grater Tovakia]

USSR, can you please react to my bombing post? After that, I have decided to change tack and try to break the Allanean blockade.

[Allanea]

OOC: It's more of a Soviet blockade than an Allanean blockade really.

[Shackley]

While we're on the subject do bullets rubbed in garlic count as chemical WMDs? lol

[Grater Tovakia]

OOC: It's more of a Soviet blockade than an Allanean blockade really.

even better

[Allanea]

While we're on the subject do bullets rubbed in garlic count as chemical WMDs? lol

Is there a force of vampires deploying in your country I have not heard of ?

[Shackley]

While we're on the subject do bullets rubbed in garlic count as chemical WMDs? lol

Is there a force of vampires deploying in your country I have not heard of ?

Bit of WW1 trivia, may be an urban myth. I remember reading that early in the first world war British soldiers would coat their bullets in garlic oil, the idea being that garlic can be toxic and it would make their weapons more lethal even if the wound itself wasn't necessarily fatal. They gave up not long after because a) it made the bullets smell of garlic (although in a trench full of mud and blood it's going to smell anyway, and they're in France so everything smells of garlic) and b) it made very little difference if any. I don't think there are any reports of German soldiers dying from garlic poisoning.

But now you mention it the vampire menace is nothing to be sniffed at. I'll have crucifixes emblazoned on our tanks and aircraft as we speak.
Wooden stakes are too old-fashioned, Napalm will do the trick just fine.

[Grater Tovakia]

I think I have an idea for my post, I ask all involved to disregard my post about the bombing (it will also be deleted) I plan on making a blockade run to replenish Shackley with a large convoy, may I ask which port would be the best to use? I plan on sending 2 Kanimbla class ships, and 3 Choules Class ships, this convoy will be escorted by 2 Collins class subs. The lack of escort is due to the fact that this convoy is being sent from Naval Support Base Juniper which is located in Newfoundland, as I have relocated my country to right near Australia most of my grand surface fleet is currently out of reach. I am not super familiar with naval warfare but I will do my best to make this as real as possible.

[Allanea]

I don't mind you attempting to try and 'run' past the blockade (you of course hopefully realize how unlikely this is to succeed), however it's worth nothing that the RP is being drawn towards a conclusion.

[Anglya]

I don't mind you attempting to try and 'run' past the blockade (you of course hopefully realize how unlikely this is to succeed), however it's worth nothing that the RP is being drawn towards a conclusion.

My apologies for my absence. I was wondering, are there any gaps in the blockade? Maintaining a totally perfect ring would, after all, be incredibly difficult.

[Grater Tovakia]

I don't mind you attempting to try and 'run' past the blockade (you of course hopefully realize how unlikely this is to succeed), however it's worth nothing that the RP is being drawn towards a conclusion.

My apologies for my absence. I was wondering, are there any gaps in the blockade? Maintaining a totally perfect ring would, after all, be incredibly difficult.

we could collaborate on this...

[Allanea]

I don't mind you attempting to try and 'run' past the blockade (you of course hopefully realize how unlikely this is to succeed), however it's worth nothing that the RP is being drawn towards a conclusion.

My apologies for my absence. I was wondering, are there any gaps in the blockade? Maintaining a totally perfect ring would, after all, be incredibly difficult.

I don't understand what you mean by 'gaps'.

It's obviously impossible to maintain a physical ring of ships.

But modern naval warships (of which there are hundreds in the theater) can spot targets hundreds of kilometers away, and in addition the area is under continuous monitoring from drones, aircraft, and satellites from Allanea and the USSR.

If this was a 19th-century naval conflict, where naval warships can only intercept things the captain can see through his spyglass, it would be fairly possible to sneak by the blockade, indeed, that is how people did it in the 19th century. But in a world of radar, satellites, and passive sonar, such a thing becomes nearly impossible.

(Bear in mind that in the Age of Sail, a ship needed to physically catch up with another ship to stop it from reaching harbor - those cannon you see in pirate movies could shoot to maybe 200 yards. In the world of naval warfare, if you spot a cargo ship from 500 miles, moving even at its top speed, all you do is fire a missile.)

[Taliostia]

Happy Halloween.

[Anglya]

My apologies for my absence. I was wondering, are there any gaps in the blockade? Maintaining a totally perfect ring would, after all, be incredibly difficult.

I don't understand what you mean by 'gaps'.

It's obviously impossible to maintain a physical ring of ships.

But modern naval warships (of which there are hundreds in the theater) can spot targets hundreds of kilometers away, and in addition the area is under continuous monitoring from drones, aircraft, and satellites from Allanea and the USSR.

If this was a 19th-century naval conflict, where naval warships can only intercept things the captain can see through his spyglass, it would be fairly possible to sneak by the blockade, indeed, that is how people did it in the 19th century. But in a world of radar, satellites, and passive sonar, such a thing becomes nearly impossible.

(Bear in mind that in the Age of Sail, a ship needed to physically catch up with another ship to stop it from reaching harbor - those cannon you see in pirate movies could shoot to maybe 200 yards. In the world of naval warfare, if you spot a cargo ship from 500 miles, moving even at its top speed, all you do is fire a missile.)

I meant weaknesses in general, areas where surveillance coverage was not as strong, that kind of thing. It is far from impossible to dodge detection by satellite at sea. The same goes for RADAR, long-range drones and SONAR. It makes life much harder, but it can be done.

I would be interested to know how Allanean and Soviet forces would react to a few relatively small aircraft bearing Red Cross markings flying into the country and setting up communication with local government forces.

Also, naval cannon of the Age of Sail could often range much further out.

[Shackley]

Shackley has officially undergone a one-man coup d'etat. I'll be posting either today or tomorrow on the details.

This doesn't mean a treaty or anything along those lines is on the way just yet but certainly there will be some changes.

[1st Union of Soviet Socialist Republics]

Doesn't mean they'll be any changes to the overall goals of the USSR which is beat Shackley into a pulp then desecrate the remains.

[Allanea]

I meant weaknesses in general, areas where surveillance coverage was not as strong, that kind of thing. It is far from impossible to dodge detection by satellite at sea. The same goes for RADAR, long-range drones and SONAR. It makes life much harder, but it can be done.

I would be interested to know how Allanean and Soviet forces would react to a few relatively small aircraft bearing Red Cross markings flying into the country and setting up communication with local government forces.

Also, naval cannon of the Age of Sail could often range much further out.

I don't want to get into a very technical discussion here, but let me just say that there are several hundred Soviet ships involved, and so it seems to me that trying to sneak a cargo ship of significant size past them would be at best a highly risky proposition.

In relation to the aid aircraft in question, supposing for the sake of plot that they are not spotted then this would not in a significant way alter Allanea's position towards your nation. However its' also true that, as long as a state of war exists between Allanea and the Soviets on one part, and the Shackleyans on another, that we cannot allow cargo aircraft or ships through the blockade, and so if the aircraft or ship is detected we would be forced to warn it away, or failing that, to shoot at it.

[Shackley]

Big oof

[Anglya]

I don't want to get into a very technical discussion here, but let me just say that there are several hundred Soviet ships involved, and so it seems to me that trying to sneak a cargo ship of significant size past them would be at best a highly risky proposition.

In relation to the aid aircraft in question, supposing for the sake of plot that they are not spotted then this would not in a significant way alter Allanea's position towards your nation. However its' also true that, as long as a state of war exists between Allanea and the Soviets on one part, and the Shackleyans on another, that we cannot allow cargo aircraft or ships through the blockade, and so if the aircraft or ship is detected we would be forced to warn it away, or failing that, to shoot at it.

Risky, absolutely. Impossible? Not in the slightest. I am not ignorant of the technical details.

Firing on a ship or aircraft operating under the auspices of the Red Cross could be argued to constitute a war crime, and it's certainly a dick move, but leaving that aside, that seems like the basically standard response for NS.

I see Admiral Rimmer is feeling...adventurous.

[Shackley]

A man can accomplish much with a strong case of shellshock and a weighty pair of bollocks