Basrani Civil War: Escalation [Closed/OOC]

[Radimostan]

Well, he did not post any reaction to your post in IC, so we can not say what he did.

[Shaochun]

Well, he did not post any reaction to your post in IC, so we can not say what he did.

Misleading bombers after the attack? That comes rather close to godmodding imo.

My attack isn't over, Not yet .

The things that destroyed the missile destroyers were only missiles from 15 bombers. There are still 40 more planes armed with missiles that are going to attack the rest of the ships once you respond.

Ehhh... You attacked these ships at least 1 900km away from your base, but J-31 has max combat range 2 000km (even with additional fuel tanks), so now you definitely need to refuel back in your base.

Unfortunate, but sacrificing 40 fighters might be better than having to deal with five helicopter carriers in the future.

[Radimostan]

Well, he did not post any reaction to your post in IC, so we can not say what he did.

Misleading bombers after the attack? That comes rather close to godmodding imo.

Well, your post ends with bombers firing rockets. Furby can still say that all rockets hit nothing.

The 400km is still a huge distance for fighters and bombers to see targets or to detect targets with their radars.

[Shaochun]

Misleading bombers after the attack? That comes rather close to godmodding imo.

Well, your post ends with bombers firing rockets. Furby can still say that all rockets hit nothing.

The 400km is still a huge distance for fighters and bombers to see targets or to detect targets with their radars.

At Mach 3.5? I doubt the rockets can magically not hit anything in it's path.

[Radimostan]

Well, your post ends with bombers firing rockets. Furby can still say that all rockets hit nothing.

The 400km is still a huge distance for fighters and bombers to see targets or to detect targets with their radars.

At Mach 3.5? I doubt the rockets can magically not hit anything in it's path.

Well as I said if Furby misleads your aircrafts to the wrong location.

[Shaochun]

At Mach 3.5? I doubt the rockets can magically not hit anything in it's path.

Well as I said if Furby misleads your aircrafts to the wrong location.

Do you mean the missiles or the aircraft?

If Furby misleads the aircraft now, what good would it do?

[Radimostan]

Now?

The problem is you did not even give Furby time to react. Furby also has a base in Djibouti and if the crew of that base is not completely mentally ill, they would report fifty-five objects launching from your base and heading towards their ships. So I think that Furby has right to mislead your aircrafts retrospectively.

[Basran]

Now?

The problem is you did not even give Furby time to react. Furby also has a base in Djibouti and if the crew of that base is not completely mentally ill, they would report fifty-five objects launching from your base and heading towards their ships. So I think that Furby has right to mislead your aircrafts retrospectively.

Furby cannot mislead his aircraft though. He can try to, but thats down to the discresion of Shaochun. The planes own radar can easily detect the ships once in sufficient radar range and the missiles can guide themselves to the target. If Shaochun already had a general idea of the route they would be taking (which might not be too hard considering satellites are a thing) then it would be even harder to mislead them.

[Basran]

My post will be up tomorrow, god willing. Finally back from holiday.

[Radimostan]

Now?

The problem is you did not even give Furby time to react. Furby also has a base in Djibouti and if the crew of that base is not completely mentally ill, they would report fifty-five objects launching from your base and heading towards their ships. So I think that Furby has right to mislead your aircrafts retrospectively.

Furby cannot mislead his aircraft though. He can try to, but thats down to the discresion of Shaochun. The planes own radar can easily detect the ships once in sufficient radar range and the missiles can guide themselves to the target. If Shaochun already had a general idea of the route they would be taking (which might not be too hard considering satellites are a thing) then it would be even harder to mislead them.

1)He fired the missile from 400km, that's not in range of fighter radar.

2) Satelite can not identify the type of the ship, so if there are more ships in the area (like merchant ships), then good luck.

[Basran]

Furby cannot mislead his aircraft though. He can try to, but thats down to the discresion of Shaochun. The planes own radar can easily detect the ships once in sufficient radar range and the missiles can guide themselves to the target. If Shaochun already had a general idea of the route they would be taking (which might not be too hard considering satellites are a thing) then it would be even harder to mislead them.

1)He fired the missile from 400km, that's not in range of fighter radar.

2) Satelite can not identify the type of the ship, so if there are more ships in the area (like merchant ships), then good luck.

Incorrect, systems such as the AN/APG-77 AESA exceed 400km. Also, the ships dont have to br identified. Its trial and error. And in all likelyness, the chances of a group of merchant ships leaving a Furbish military base after their state has explicity announced anti OSAN operations isnt that high.

[Radimostan]

1)He fired the missile from 400km, that's not in range of fighter radar.

2) Satelite can not identify the type of the ship, so if there are more ships in the area (like merchant ships), then good luck.

Incorrect, systems such as the AN/APG-77 AESA exceed 400km. Also, the ships dont have to br identified. Its trial and error. And in all likelyness, the chances of a group of merchant ships leaving a Furbish military base after their state has explicity announced anti OSAN operations isnt that high.

1) Using narrow beams I suppose.

2)Then these fighters had to spend some time scouting the area, right?

[Basran]

Incorrect, systems such as the AN/APG-77 AESA exceed 400km. Also, the ships dont have to br identified. Its trial and error. And in all likelyness, the chances of a group of merchant ships leaving a Furbish military base after their state has explicity announced anti OSAN operations isnt that high.

1) Using narrow beams I suppose.

2)Then these fighters had to spend some time scouting the area, right?

Depends on the general direction the planes went. Its not hard to predetermine the position of your enemy based on the direction they were known to heading & their target destination.

[Basran]

Anyway, from my viewpoint, I think the attack in its current form stands.Those 2 Furbish ships should rightfully, be dead.

[Radimostan]

Ok, then there is a question.

If the Furbish base in Djibouti detected starting aircraft (and realistically they would), they can warn ships and order them to drastically change location.

[Basran]

Ok, then there is a question.

If the Furbish base in Djibouti detected starting aircraft (and realistically they would), they can warn ships and order them to drastically change location.

They could, and probably would. Only problem is that if Shaochun already figured out the general direction they had headed, and with a radar of 400km+, and also considering the speed of a jet fighter versus the speed of a ship... Its not exactly going to do much minus spread their ships out a bit more before the planes fire the missiles.

[Radimostan]

Ok, then there is a question.

If the Furbish base in Djibouti detected starting aircraft (and realistically they would), they can warn ships and order them to drastically change location.

They could, and probably would. Only problem is that if Shaochun already figured out the general direction they had headed, and with a radar of 400km+, and also considering the speed of a jet fighter versus the speed of a ship... Its not exactly going to do much minus spread their ships out a bit more before the planes fire the missiles.

But if the ships are more than 2000km away then they would have plenty of time.

Also again it is 400km+ but on narrow beams, limiting the area jets can scout.

[Shaochun]

Could I ask a question then?

What is the status of emissions on Furby's ships? Are their radars running, etc.

[Shaochun]

As of current, I suffer from an inherent lack of information. How far have the Furbish ships traveled? What is a FS-HC9 helicopter carrier? What is a FS-MD8 guided missile destroyer? What are they armed with? etc.

It's not easy if Furby has not stated any information at all about what he has. I have been making assumptions totally in the dark here.

[Radimostan]

As of current, I suffer from an inherent lack of information. How far have the Furbish ships traveled? What is a FS-HC9 helicopter carrier? What is a FS-MD8 guided missile destroyer? What are they armed with? etc.

It's not easy if Furby has not stated any information at all about what he has. I have been making assumptions totally in the dark here.

This is why it is advised to ask questions before you act.

[Shaochun]

As of current, I suffer from an inherent lack of information. How far have the Furbish ships traveled? What is a FS-HC9 helicopter carrier? What is a FS-MD8 guided missile destroyer? What are they armed with? etc.

It's not easy if Furby has not stated any information at all about what he has. I have been making assumptions totally in the dark here.

This why it is advised to ask questions before you act.

That certainly was a major mistake of mine. Without knowing what Furby has at his base in Djibouti, it's not easy to tell what he is capable of. For all we know, the 'Djibouti Naval and Aerial Base' hypothetically could even just be a small port attached to several helipads.

[Greater Slavic Union]

This why it is advised to ask questions before you act.

That certainly was a major mistake of mine. Without knowing what Furby has at his base in Djibouti, it's not easy to tell what he is capable of. For all we know, the 'Djibouti Naval and Aerial Base' could even just be a small port attached to several helipads.

Chally = "Russia but more powerful"

Furby = US


Basically.

[Shaochun]

That certainly was a major mistake of mine. Without knowing what Furby has at his base in Djibouti, it's not easy to tell what he is capable of. For all we know, the 'Djibouti Naval and Aerial Base' could even just be a small port attached to several helipads.

Chally = "Russia but more powerful"

Furby = US


Basically.

In that case, my previous assumptions would be, for the most part, correct.

[Rhinocera]

It could also be a modern naval accessible fortress, packed with things that could give your forces a headache, and the men to use them. You never know till you know.

[Radimostan]

This why it is advised to ask questions before you act.

That certainly was a major mistake of mine. Without knowing what Furby has at his base in Djibouti, it's not easy to tell what he is capable of. For all we know, the 'Djibouti Naval and Aerial Base' hypothetically could even just be a small port attached to several helipads.

Precisely,

But in order to answer one of your questions.

Travel speed of the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer of US navy is 37 km/h. Let's say that speed of Furby ships is similar.

Furby posted about ships leaving the port on 23 Jul, your post about the attack is from 27 Jul.

Thus the ships can be 3 500 km away from the port.