World Anti-Slavery Organization

[The Rich Port]

You can find out for yourself if you want.

What exactly is your reputation? I sure as hell haven't heard of you, and your funding is pathetic. What makes you think I couldn't beat you in a fight?

I'LL BRING POPCORN!


@ above Rich Port's post, yeah, rofl, good luck with those hilarious percent numbers. This should end in a wonderful way.

... Who the heck invited YOU?

[The Rich Port]

Again you play with the ridiculous notion of government funding. Any organization flourishes under private ownership. Self sufficient militias act as PMC's and through competition keep their preformances quality. Why instead of sending a group of men outfitted with government issue equipment contact a private militia that is the embodiement of military strategy and the Free Market.The role of a government run millitary or government run anything for that matter should always be minimal.

Well, isn't that convenient: a bunch of mercenaries popping out of thin air, all ready to die for a (proportionately crappy) paycheck? Please... you over-estimate the strength of your economy.

[Emporer Pudu]

You can find out for yourself if you want.

What exactly is your reputation? I sure as hell haven't heard of you, and your funding is pathetic. What makes you think I couldn't beat you in a fight?

I'LL BRING POPCORN!


@ above Rich Port's post, yeah, rofl, good luck with those hilarious percent numbers. This should end in a wonderful way.

... Who the heck invited YOU?

You're still to young then to recognize him then, which itself should tell you something.

[No endorse]

I invited myself. Since it is, you know, a public forum.

Then again, slavery is an issue that I have some vested interest in, and informing the WASO to exercise due caution is a valid role.

Laughing at you is just a bonus.

[The Rich Port]

You're still to young then to recognize him then, which itself should tell you something.

XD, was my mom supposed to tell me about him in spooky bedtime stories?

[Doomingsland]

Haha, don't worry about it. Like I said, you can find out for yourself.

As to my funding, I really hope you aren't referring to one of those economy calculators. Taking those to be the word of God probably isn't the best idea in the world considering just how unrealistic the xml stats can be.

[Des-Bal]

Again you play with the ridiculous notion of government funding. Any organization flourishes under private ownership. Self sufficient militias act as PMC's and through competition keep their preformances quality. Why instead of sending a group of men outfitted with government issue equipment contact a private militia that is the embodiement of military strategy and the Free Market.The role of a government run millitary or government run anything for that matter should always be minimal.

Well, isn't that convenient: a bunch of mercenaries popping out of thin air, all ready to die for a (proportionately crappy) paycheck? Please... you over-estimate the strength of your economy.

Not at all convenient. The fact the arms trade has been a corner stone of both Old Kaden Rycht and the Federation has meant with each passing anarchy a great deal of millitary arms in civillian hands. These people however unstable quickly saw the economic benefits of selling the guns was nowhere near that of using them. Vigilante groups, posses, local militia, they all have their standards and they can all be bought. The issue with communism is spreading recourses too thin. By concentrating on things that legitimately matter recourses an be stretched to lengths otherwise unimaginable.

[The Rich Port]

Haha, don't worry about it. Like I said, you can find out for yourself.

As to my funding, I really hope you aren't referring to one of those economy calculators. Taking those to be the word of God probably isn't the best idea in the world considering just how unrealistic the xml stats can be.

So, what, YOUR word is more valid, tough guy? I'll take my chances with a neutral computer, thank you very much. If it was The Dominion of Complete Bastards on here, I'd be scared. So... get over yourself.

Not at all convenient. The fact the arms trade has been a corner stone of both Old Kaden Rycht and the Federation has meant with each passing anarchy a great deal of millitary arms in civillian hands. These people however unstable quickly saw the economic benefits of selling the guns was nowhere near that of using them. Vigilante groups, posses, local militia, they all have their standards and they can all be bought. The issue with communism is spreading recourses too thin. By concentrating on things that legitimately matter recourses an be stretched to lengths otherwise unimaginable.

Once again, I worry that your country is being bullied by the corporations...

[Des-Bal]

OOC: There are severe economic fallacies with those calculators

Bah your paranoid.

[New Amerik]

You're still to young then to recognize him then, which itself should tell you something.

XD, was my mom supposed to tell me about him in spooky bedtime stories?

Damn it man, he's an 04'er. You just don't screw around with them. The Goth's were pretty notable too.

Basically, don't antagonize them and let them stay placid, content to do whatever the hell it is they do now.

[Oseato]

Haha, don't worry about it. Like I said, you can find out for yourself.

As to my funding, I really hope you aren't referring to one of those economy calculators. Taking those to be the word of God probably isn't the best idea in the world considering just how unrealistic the xml stats can be.

So, what, YOUR word is more valid, tough guy? I'll take my chances with a neutral computer, thank you very much. If it was The Dominion of Complete Bastards on here, I'd be scared. So... get over yourself.

To be honest, Doom is probably the last person anyone on II would want to fight. He's also a veteran RPer and you should probably listen to him instead of going off and trying to be a tough guy yourself. But w/e it's your reputation on the line.

[The Rich Port]

OOC: There are severe economic fallacies with those calculators

OOC: WTF... I've been duped! What exactly is wrong with them?

Damn it man, he's an 04'er. You just don't screw around with them. The Goth's were pretty notable too.

Basically, don't antagonize them and let them stay placid, content to do whatever the hell it is they do now.

If they want seniority rule, they can go run for the Senate. They should show some humility and stop swinging their penises in our faces.

[Pythria]

We only participate in conflict when we are threatened or a population (or significant part of it) is being oppressed. What condition are these slaves in?

[Javoul]

Javoul was uncertain as what action to take. So their leader Rassan Al-Kazan has sent a donation letter simply with "I don't know." upon it. On further inspections and visits to Javoul, they are too busy stockpiling nuclear weapons and annexing smaller nations to care about slavery.

[Des-Bal]

OOC: There are severe economic fallacies with those calculators

OOC: WTF... I've been duped! What exactly is wrong with them?

Damn it man, he's an 04'er. You just don't screw around with them. The Goth's were pretty notable too.

Basically, don't antagonize them and let them stay placid, content to do whatever the hell it is they do now.

If they want seniority rule, they can go run for the Senate. They should show some humility and stop swinging their penises in our faces.

OOC: Theres a flaw in the logic with the taxes this explains it better than me

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5578

[Des-Bal]

We only participate in conflict when we are threatened or a population (or significant part of it) is being oppressed. What condition are these slaves in?

Almost universally slaves are being treated better than they would as poor citizens. In the case of Des-Bal government officials have slaves that live lives far better than any working class citizen, they preform basic tasks a few hours a day and live in manors.

[The Rich Port]

We only participate in conflict when we are threatened or a population (or significant part of it) is being oppressed. What condition are these slaves in?

A lot of the larger slaver nations have extensive civil rights legislation in place to make sure slaves are healthy and taken care of. The Chair of The Rich Port, however, is their treatment of slaves; disturbingly, they are regarded as "sub-human".

[Des-Bal]

We only participate in conflict when we are threatened or a population (or significant part of it) is being oppressed. What condition are these slaves in?

A lot of the larger slaver nations have extensive civil rights legislation in place to make sure slaves are healthy and taken care of. The Chair of The Rich Port, however, is their treatment of slaves; disturbingly, they are regarded as "sub-human".

They are slaves because they are Sub-Humans not the other way around. They were Sub-Human before they were slaves and they will be Sub-Humans long after.

[The Rich Port]

Javoul was uncertain as what action to take. So their leader Rassan Al-Kazan has sent a donation letter simply with "I don't know." upon it. On further inspections and visits to Javoul, they are too busy stockpiling nuclear weapons and annexing smaller nations to care about slavery.

Um... 'kay.

OOC: Theres a flaw in the logic with the taxes this explains it better than me

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5578

Who is this Sunset and which calculator is his?

[Des-Bal]

http://sunsetrpg.com/economystatistics.php

[Doomingsland]

There is more than one calculator for NS, sunset is just one of them. They're all pretty much the same, they all use the same exact xml feed. They just have different interfaces, mostly.

[Des-Bal]

Yeah but sunset was mentioned in the link and when something is linked it automatically becomes true.

Source:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40954&sid=5b8243bfbc8b5bc0406883da7a4de3cf&start=900

[No endorse]

OOC: There are severe economic fallacies with those calculators

OOC: WTF... I've been duped! What exactly is wrong with them?

The list is extensive, but here's the short version.

SunsetRPG, NSTracker, and NSEconomy are all based upon a series of algorithms developed by I believe The New Meritocracy, an NS RPing group. Other older ones are based upon a myriad number of things that don't really bear getting into right now.
NSTracker:
http://nstracker.org/index.php?nation=no+endorse based on
http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?about=1
whose origins are listed on the indicated pages.

Anyways, they are all very rough approximations, and work off the xml feed.
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/api ... no_endorse

Now, do you see anything measuring GDP? No, you see 3 descriptive categories (themselves simplifications, but easily manipulated) and a series of percents. Now, what does "Frightening" mean? Does it mean my people automatically all get 40,000$ a year? And how does that work with a 44% income tax? Or a 0% income tax? Or a 100% income tax, which is a very real possibility if you're clever enough I believe.

In fact, what part of the NS calculators is /remotely/ empirical? I understand there's a vague connection to the HDI in the original estimates, but that's vague enough and a /very/ imprecise tool.

Long story short, the calculators are great for giving n00bs an idea of what they can't do (launch 10,000 Apollo missions with 5 million people) They're frankly rubbish for freeform RP.

[Pythria]

We only participate in conflict when we are threatened or a population (or significant part of it) is being oppressed. What condition are these slaves in?

A lot of the larger slaver nations have extensive civil rights legislation in place to make sure slaves are healthy and taken care of. The Chair of The Rich Port, however, is their treatment of slaves; disturbingly, they are regarded as "sub-human".

They are slaves because they are Sub-Humans not the other way around. They were Sub-Human before they were slaves and they will be Sub-Humans long after.

In what way are they inferior to regular humans?

[Des-Bal]

We only participate in conflict when we are threatened or a population (or significant part of it) is being oppressed. What condition are these slaves in?

A lot of the larger slaver nations have extensive civil rights legislation in place to make sure slaves are healthy and taken care of. The Chair of The Rich Port, however, is their treatment of slaves; disturbingly, they are regarded as "sub-human".

They are slaves because they are Sub-Humans not the other way around. They were Sub-Human before they were slaves and they will be Sub-Humans long after.

In what way are they inferior to regular humans?

They are not regular humans they are of the Genus Homo but not of the species sapien

OOC: Myself, Rich Port, New Amerika, and essentially anyone whose been involved in a firefight during a diplomatic mission have non human creatures in our nations