World Anti-Slavery Organization

[Des-Bal]

Our Nation is now taking a more proactive approach to ending slavery.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=77759

Actively supporting terrorism is a marvelous way to find yourself ostracized or invaded.

[Menassa]

I have a question for the WASO?

Do fire away.

If you look in my factbook in my sig there is my slavery policy what is wrong with this policy?

[Des-Bal]

If you look in my factbook in my sig there is my slavery policy what is wrong with this policy?

You aren't selling them abroad, just bad business sense that.

[The Floor Kippers]

Do fire away.

If you look in my factbook in my sig there is my slavery policy what is wrong with this policy?

The First Isn't technically slavery, the first starts off as community service, If the Person decides to stay That is More Servantship than Slavery

The Second is More slavery as There is no freedom for the person in question.
I Hope my answers were satisfactory

[Esternial]

If you look in my factbook in my sig there is my slavery policy what is wrong with this policy?

You aren't selling them abroad, just bad business sense that.

Agreed. Practice good slavery or none at all.

[The Floor Kippers]

You aren't selling them abroad, just bad business sense that.

Agreed. Practice good slavery or none at all.

You two troublemakers, Schtoom.

[Esternial]

Agreed. Practice good slavery or none at all.

You two troublemakers, Schtoom.

Troublemakers? Who me? I'm part of this organization! I donated money.

[Des-Bal]

You two troublemakers, Schtoom.

In what world may reason exist where rational discussion is disbarred?

[The Floor Kippers]

You two troublemakers, Schtoom.

In what world may reason exist where rational discussion is disbarred?

With you Involved there's Plenty of reason

You two troublemakers, Schtoom.

Troublemakers? Who me? I'm part of this organization! I donated money.

Alright then, Go About your Business, But remember, I've got my eye on you.

[Des-Bal]

With you Involved there's Plenty of reason

How so? When have I been anything but the voice of reason and moderation, are you perhaps frightened by the concept of a well posed opposing argument that doesn't consist of irrational hatred? Without a moral high-ground do you find your arguments somehow lacking?

[The Floor Kippers]

With you Involved there's Plenty of reason

How so? When have I been anything but the voice of reason and moderation, are you perhaps frightened by the concept of a well posed opposing argument that doesn't consist of irrational hatred? Without a moral high-ground do you find your arguments somehow lacking?

My Hatred of Slavery is anything but irrational, As for the Moral High ground, May one enquire what do you know of the Moral High ground?

[Des-Bal]

My Hatred of Slavery is anything but irrational, As for the Moral High ground, May one enquire what do you know of the Moral High ground?

Again you misunderstand, I submit that my presence offends because my arguments in favor of slavery are based around sound logical and moral principles. As you are unable to form an appropriate argument you respond with groundless hostility. As for the Moral High Ground I know that it is ridiculous and contingent on the fallacious reasoning that morals are black and white with no regard for cultural or ethical differences.

[Mediterreania]

My Hatred of Slavery is anything but irrational, As for the Moral High ground, May one enquire what do you know of the Moral High ground?

Again you misunderstand, I submit that my presence offends because my arguments in favor of slavery are based around sound logical and moral principles. As you are unable to form an appropriate argument you respond with groundless hostility. As for the Moral High Ground I know that it is ridiculous and contingent on the fallacious reasoning that morals are black and white with no regard for cultural or ethical differences.

Dehumanizing someone and turning their life into a commodity to be bought and sold is an absolute moral wrong. The slaveowner has destroyed the slave in ways worse than death. Not only that, but the potential of the slave is wasted. While there is cheap manual labor, the enslaved may have had talents that could have contributed to humankind if it was not for their condition.
Check and mate.

[Teccor]

My Hatred of Slavery is anything but irrational, As for the Moral High ground, May one enquire what do you know of the Moral High ground?

Again you misunderstand, I submit that my presence offends because my arguments in favor of slavery are based around sound logical and moral principles. As you are unable to form an appropriate argument you respond with groundless hostility. As for the Moral High Ground I know that it is ridiculous and contingent on the fallacious reasoning that morals are black and white with no regard for cultural or ethical differences.

Arguing in favor of slavery is arguing in favor of an action that disregards and denies basic human rights to a group of people.

Slavery, denying human rights to anyone, is always immoral by any standard, and morality must be disregarded completely before the "logical" arguments even come into play. Therefore, any argument you have regarding "morality" is invalidated.

Better luck next time.

[Des-Bal]

Dehumanizing someone and turning their life into a commodity to be bought and sold is an absolute moral wrong. The slaveowner has destroyed the slave in ways worse than death. Not only that, but the potential of the slave is wasted. While there is cheap manual labor, the enslaved may have had talents that could have contributed to humankind if it was not for their condition.
Check and mate.

And yet who is a slave? Very rarely is it ever a member of the community capable of utilizing any unique talents they may possess; why in fact, wouldn't it logically follow that it is only someone so miserably incapable of providing for themselves that would find themselves in such dire straits? I would reason then that the wage of a menial job could never equate to the three square meals and accommodations becoming someone capable of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a slave. And in this situation if the slave has been picked for certain traits then are those traits not made to flourish in a much healthier setting while at the same time serving to bolster the exceptionalities of another IE their owner.
I wouldn't call this so much escaping check as I would call it you mistaking a salt shaker for a king.

[Des-Bal]

Arguing in favor of slavery is arguing in favor of an action that disregards and denies basic human rights to a group of people.

Slavery, denying human rights to anyone, is always immoral by any standard, and morality must be disregarded completely before the "logical" arguments even come into play. Therefore, any argument you have regarding "morality" is invalidated.

Better luck next time.

You seem to be working under a number of logical fallacies, chief among those that abuse and maltreatment are omnipresent in slavery. That is simply not true in any well planned system you don't mistreat a slave for the same reason you don't mistreat a computer they are very expensive but unlike a computer a slave cannot be replaced regardless of how wide a pool is drawn from there will simply never be another with the exact same traits. You also work under the supposition of a Kantian black and white morality which is for lack of a better term really really stupid.

[Royal Calathonia]

To: The leaders of the World Anti-Slavery Organization
From: The Empire of Royal Calathonia

Sirs and Madames,

I believe that slavery is a horrible and restricting practice, used against men who are born by God to be free. Slavery restricts their liberties and subjects them to horrible, brutal practices of mistreatment. Nations who practice, endorse, or promote slavery are committing a crime against humanity, a crime against international law, a natural crime, and a crime against God. They should be diplomatically condemned, and should not be viewed favorably by the international community. Royal Calathonia itself is anti-slavery, hoping to promote freedom across the planet. In accordance with our views, I, Catherine II, Empress of Royal Calathonia donate 1,000 medics, 3,000 rescue workers, 500 reporters, and $2 billion Royal Calathonian Marks in funds to the WASO Organization. May you use it wisely, and for freedom.

Signed,

Empress Catherine II

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Again you misunderstand, I submit that my presence offends because my arguments in favor of slavery are based around sound logical and moral principles. As you are unable to form an appropriate argument you respond with groundless hostility. As for the Moral High Ground I know that it is ridiculous and contingent on the fallacious reasoning that morals are black and white with no regard for cultural or ethical differences.

Dehumanizing someone and turning their life into a commodity to be bought and sold is an absolute moral wrong. The slaveowner has destroyed the slave in ways worse than death. Not only that, but the potential of the slave is wasted. While there is cheap manual labor, the enslaved may have had talents that could have contributed to humankind if it was not for their condition.
Check and mate.

Except people are not born with talents, Mozart could play the piano at a young age but he couldn't play it from birth. People born slaves are generally taught in one line of work be it physical labour (black slaves in the antebellum South), being a good educator (Greek slaves in the Roman Empire), sitting around and looking pretty (harem slaves), or guarding attractive women (harem guards). Can you think of any job an uneducated man who has spent his life picking cotton can do better than picking cotton? Who else will you find to guard a bunch of attractive women and not have sex with them besides a castrated eunuch? Who would you have educate your children in a society with no formal education system a random guy off the street, a guy that you have to pay massive amounts of money since he only teaches one boy, or a slave that is educated and works for free? Slavery while a deplorable system is still the most efficient. One could compare the slavery/freedom argument to the authoritarianism/democracy argument, sure the latter is preferable, but it is less efficient, and in a world where millions die each day in war, and so much as electing the wrong party can kill off half your people it is paramount for many nations to be as efficient as possible.

[The Floor Kippers]

To: The leaders of the World Anti-Slavery Organization
From: The Empire of Royal Calathonia

Sirs and Madames,

I believe that slavery is a horrible and restricting practice, used against men who are born by God to be free. Slavery restricts their liberties and subjects them to horrible, brutal practices of mistreatment. Nations who practice, endorse, or promote slavery are committing a crime against humanity, a crime against international law, a natural crime, and a crime against God. They should be diplomatically condemned, and should not be viewed favorably by the international community. Royal Calathonia itself is anti-slavery, hoping to promote freedom across the planet. In accordance with our views, I, Catherine II, Empress of Royal Calathonia donate 1,000 medics, 3,000 rescue workers, 500 reporters, and $2 billion Royal Calathonian Marks in funds to the WASO Organization. May you use it wisely, and for freedom.

Signed,

Empress Catherine II

Thank you so very much for Your Kind Donations, We are very grateful for your Support

[Osthia]

De to our rising economy, we wish to donate 5 billion Osthian Dollars to our wonderful organization, in the hopes that the money is used to buy slaves and make them free, or perhaps, to help WASO in any other financial way.
Sincerely,
Emperor Arathor I

[Des-Bal]

De to our rising economy, we wish to donate 5 billion Osthian Dollars to our wonderful organization, in the hopes that the money is used to buy slaves and make them free, or perhaps, to help WASO in any other financial way.
Sincerely,
Emperor Arathor I

Wouldn't it be significantly less stupid to buy the slaves yourself? WASO has an abysmal track record of hoarding money, honestly there should be an investigation to potential corruption in it's chairs.

[The Rich Port]

De to our rising economy, we wish to donate 5 billion Osthian Dollars to our wonderful organization, in the hopes that the money is used to buy slaves and make them free, or perhaps, to help WASO in any other financial way.
Sincerely,
Emperor Arathor I

Wouldn't it be significantly less stupid to buy the slaves yourself? WASO has an abysmal track record of hoarding money, honestly there should be an investigation to potential corruption in it's chairs.

It's Denecaep, for Chrissakes. What's he gonna do, buy golden armchairs or something like that?

[Osthia]

Well, no one has a thread for me to buy slaves, so...this is the only way to do it.

[The Floor Kippers]

De to our rising economy, we wish to donate 5 billion Osthian Dollars to our wonderful organization, in the hopes that the money is used to buy slaves and make them free, or perhaps, to help WASO in any other financial way.
Sincerely,
Emperor Arathor I

I, as an Official WASO representative, Thank you very much for the Kind Donation.

[Des-Bal]

Well, no one has a thread for me to buy slaves, so...this is the only way to do it.

Wha-? Yes they do there are many of them that's actually what the debate is about, people are selling slaves.