[IC] [TWI - Only] Kingsley Human Rights Summit

[Lardingo]

"Lardingo agrees with all points currently listed, and we agree with Ainslie that Point 3 is crucial. I would suggest defining 'cruel' as causing unnecessary physical, emotional, or mental harm to a living being," Sunny nodded.

[Ipland]

"Ipland agrees with Ainslie on that points three, four, and 21 require a stronger definition. The one given by the representative from Lardingo regarding point number three is the general idea that Ipland also supports."

[Somstratzka]

Fayzara smiled. Finally, something substantial for Human Rights. Then doubt clouded her mind again. Not every nation would be totally on board with such regulations internationally, there would be rogue nations no doubt. "Somstratzka agrees with the points brought forward by the Anhslen" she said before clearing her throat. "We would like to see these regulations brought in as quickly as possible as these to us are core rights every single human, born of any race, any religion, any skin color or standing deserves such rights" she said before sitting down in her seat, sipping some plain water.

[Ainslie]

"Alright, so shall we move onto more controversial issues, and then talk about points 3,4 and 21?"

[Bhikkustan]

Party officer and Buddhist monk Sangyachakra stepped into the room. His outfit was different to say the least, a saffron coloured military uniform that showed the grandeur of the Proplrs Republic and the Dharma. He wore a grand peaked hat and a chain of mala beads around his neck.

"I apologise For my lateness. Had trouble getting incense through customs."

He sat at the Desk and lit three sticks of incense, their tips glowing as they emitted a sweet an calming whisper of smoke. He started talking again.

"I would be interested in your definitions of torture and cruel and unusual punishment?"

[Vancouvia]

Matthew spoke up: "Vancouvia has several concerns with this, but most of all it lacks exceptions for prisoners."

[Tectonix]

Matthew spoke up: "Vancouvia has several concerns with this, but most of all it lacks exceptions for prisoners."

Daniel cocked his head. "Excuse me, honourable delegate of Vancouvia, but why would we exempt prisoners from our human rights? Are prisoners not human?"

[Vancouvia]

Matthew spoke up: "Vancouvia has several concerns with this, but most of all it lacks exceptions for prisoners."

Daniel cocked his head. "Excuse me, honourable delegate of Vancouvia, but why would we exempt prisoners from our human rights? Are prisoners not human?"

"Vancouvian prisoners do not currently have freedom of movement, for one."

[Tectonix]

Daniel cocked his head. "Excuse me, honourable delegate of Vancouvia, but why would we exempt prisoners from our human rights? Are prisoners not human?"

"Vancouvian prisoners do not currently have freedom of movement, for one."

"Freedom of movement for prisoners can be interpreted differently once incarcerated. I assume you still allow them recreational time during the day?"

[Vancouvia]

"Vancouvian prisoners do not currently have freedom of movement, for one."

"Freedom of movement for prisoners can be interpreted differently once incarcerated. I assume you still allow them recreational time during the day?"

"Oh, so creative interpretation is up for grabs, got it," said Matthew, before glancing to his brother.

[Tectonix]

"Freedom of movement for prisoners can be interpreted differently once incarcerated. I assume you still allow them recreational time during the day?"

"Oh, so creative interpretation is up for grabs, got it," said Matthew, before glancing to his brother.

Well, let's not carried away here. My point is that to allow a caveat for prisoners, the strict interpretation of the rights outlined can be loosed only for duration of their incarceration, which I hope many of my fellow esteemed delegates would be okay with. Of course, things like torture and unusual punishment must also be interpreted with a slightly higher bar of strictness, since I'm not sure if any delegation would be okay with something like Guantanamo Bay."

(OOC: For the sake of the IC, just assume Guantanamo Bay is a common phrase used to refer to an institution like the RL one)

[Athara Magarat]

"Prisons in Athara Magarat is a place where criminals learn useful skills for the sake of the society." Mrs Garbuja stated. "So far we haven't implemented capital punishment but with the rise of extremist terrorist organizations such as SHOCK, our people have been demanding for capital punishment and government has been considering it. But our analysts also say that capital punishment would only make things worse. The executed terrorists would be seen as martyrs and innocent people might die for no reason. Right now, we are only keeping suspected terrorists behind the bars. Other than few Athara Magarati citizens joining this terrorist organization and committing horrendous acts abroad, crime is almost no-existent in Athara Magarat hence we had removed torture and capital punishment in prison but we are considering bringing it back."

[Vancouvia]

"Exactly. I think we'd all be fooling ourselves to usher in these lofty statements while all the while each of our countries breaks or justifies them away every single day. It is one thing to posture for the sake of public relations, it is another to sign your name to a lie."

[Ainslie]

"In reference to the Vancouvian delegate's comment, what is the likelhood of a government being charged under this agreement. Autonomy as the concept of self governance has practically given immunity to standing governments. I'd believe that these human rights would result in prosecution only in the circumstances of criminals and former dictators, to provide an example."

[Bhikkustan]

"I do not wish to be rude, but it seems my query has been abandoned."

[Lardingo]

Sunny nodded to Sangyachakra, "All prisons in Lardingo are privatized. However we do insist that the prisons acknowledge convict's rights, including freedom to speech, freedom of religion, and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment. Since the death penalty is outlawed in Lardingo, the right to life also applies to all convicts. We agree with the delegate from Tectonix that there should be some flexibility in the document concerning prisoners, but we request that it only be loosened for violent offenders."

[Travencia]

Mrs. Wasik stood so she could clearly bring up a very valid point. "The right to life, would conflict with a states usage of capital punishment. Would we include a mechanism to deal with violations brought upon states?"

[Covonant]

The Gender Minister sought to interject at this moment.

"Since we are on the rights of prisoners, I would assume that they have a right to life as well, and thus the state having the power to take such life would be unjust. I ask for clarity of what the other delegates think and if prisoners are exempt from right to life on a case by case basis"

[Bhikkustan]

The Gender Minister sought to interject at this moment.

"Since we are on the rights of prisoners, I would assume that they have a right to life as well, and thus the state having the power to take such life would be unjust. I ask for clarity of what the other delegates think and if prisoners are exempt from right to life on a case by case basis"

"Our nation reserves the right to execute prisoners in extreme crimes such as high treason, counter-revolutionary inciting ad drug trafficking. For all else they are given rehabilitative and reproletarianisation treatment so they can become functioning memebers of society and become useful. It allows them to do good deeds and repay their debt to a society that they betraued."

[Ainslie]

"I believe that the delegate from Travencia's comment is the sort of proposal we will need to add."

[Travencia]

"would the shame of being having a signature about human rights, while willfully and knowingly violating those human rights be enough in itself?!"

Mrs. Wasik pondered, these where the kinds of questions she missed discussing...

[Ainslie]

"We would like to acknowledge that Bhikkustan would still have the right to do that, as governments would get a degree of immunity under their rule of law. We are in support of amending part of the 20 points to allow for that. What do the other delegates think?"

[Travencia]

Mr Tucker stood up and spoke...

"I think the best course of action would be an Annex to the agreement acknowledging the states that sign said annex acknowledge the agreement but still wish to exercise their national sovereignty in capital punishment..."

[Bhikkustan]

"Lardingo agrees with all points currently listed, and we agree with Ainslie that Point 3 is crucial. I would suggest defining 'cruel' as causing unnecessary physical, emotional, or mental harm to a living being," Sunny nodded.

"I do not believe that that is an appropriate decision. When one's mind is misguided towards evil it must be reformed to the right path."

[Travencia]

"But does the state have any right to enforce such "re-education"?"