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The Lovsk War (TWI ONLY | OOC)

Postby Atnaia » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:51 pm

This location will be used for the discussion and planning of a Chechnya-inspired conflict in Lovsk, an Ostehaar-held location in the Western Isles. Current plans are to have the increased presence and hostility of both Ostehaar and Atnaia incite civil unrest and eventual outright military action from the local populace.

So, Ostehaar, shall we begin? I think this is one that we should have a fairly good idea of the shape of going into it, otherwise things could be difficult to maintain. Do we want to bring anyone else in on it? Might be a good idea to get someone backing the Lovsk locals. Or maybe SOAR decides to take a more direct approach and supports the locals, hoping they will gain independence and set up an Asorist state.
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Postby Ostehaar » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:58 pm

Atnaia wrote:Do we want to bring anyone else in on it?

We should, merely to create interest for others and raise the stakes - but in smaller roles. Noronica wanted in so perhaps he can RP his people trying to get in the way somehow, hoping to take hold of some parts of the island (which is right next to him).

Atnaia wrote:Might be a good idea to get someone backing the Lovsk locals. Or maybe SOAR decides to take a more direct approach and supports the locals, hoping they will gain independence and set up an Asorist state.

The SOAR thing was what I had in mind - the only problem is that we would be RPing them ourselves and practically RP a war against ourselves... which can be cool story-wise but I'm not sure if it's for the best. NA expressed his intention of operating against me (which would make sense given that I operate against his proxies all the time). AM might be interested to RP the SOAR bunch as well.

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Postby Atnaia » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:39 pm

Ostehaar wrote:We should, merely to create interest for others and raise the stakes - but in smaller roles. Noronica wanted in so perhaps he can RP his people trying to get in the way somehow, hoping to take hold of some parts of the island (which is right next to him).


Fair.

Ostehaar wrote:The SOAR thing was what I had in mind - the only problem is that we would be RPing them ourselves and practically RP a war against ourselves... which can be cool story-wise but I'm not sure if it's for the best. NA expressed his intention of operating against me (which would make sense given that I operate against his proxies all the time). AM might be interested to RP the SOAR bunch as well.

I don't think fighting a war against NPCs is such a bad thing. It gives us a lot of control over the story. Still, NA might be a good option. AM might be interested, but he'd likely want to have SHOCK or something be involved.
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Postby Ostehaar » Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:31 am

Atnaia wrote:I don't think fighting a war against NPCs is such a bad thing. It gives us a lot of control over the story.

Then we can try that.

Atnaia wrote:NA might be a good option.

I'll ask him.

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Postby Atnaia » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:42 am

Ostehaar wrote:
Atnaia wrote:I don't think fighting a war against NPCs is such a bad thing. It gives us a lot of control over the story.

Then we can try that.

Atnaia wrote:NA might be a good option.

I'll ask him.

Awesome.

So I figure the timeline would start would start with some sort of charismatic Lovskian (Lovski? Lovsken?) leader rising up, which could lead to internal conflict. Under this pretense, you or I move in ships to "monitor the situation", which this guy views as a threat and sort of kicks things off as both sides escalate. This would lead to an actual invasion, and could move towards a Grozny-style thing...
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Postby Ostehaar » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:43 am

Atnaia wrote:Awesome.

He said sure, by the way.

Atnaia wrote:Lovskian (Lovski? Lovsken?)

Lovskian - that's what I use.

Atnaia wrote:the timeline would start with some sort of charismatic Lovskian leader rising up, which could lead to internal conflict.

What do you mean by 'internal'? A conflict between factions in Lovsk or a conflict between a Lovsk insurgency and my forces?

Atnaia wrote:Under this pretense, you or I move in ships to "monitor the situation", which this guy views as a threat and sort of kicks things off as both sides escalate. This would lead to an actual invasion, and could move towards a Grozny-style thing...

At the moment I have in Lovsk 2 battalions (one field intelligence and one infantry) as well as a small bunch of special operations folks. They're currently doing regular occupation routine like roadblocks, patrols, raids on suspected anti-Oster groups, etc., and also try to find the SOAR cells there from the Contagion RP.

I suggest this leader will initially only speak politics and theory, inspiring the locals, and then I'd assassinate him - escalating to a situation which would call for a full scale invasion (for example, there could be some guerrilla attacks against my forces, like that SOAR ambush recently in Contagion).

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Postby Atnaia » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:50 am

Ostehaar wrote:I suggest this leader will initially only speak politics and theory, inspiring the locals, and then I'd assassinate him - escalating to a situation which would call for a full scale invasion (for example, there could be some guerrilla attacks against my forces, like that SOAR ambush recently in Contagion).


That sounds perfect.
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Postby Ostehaar » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:32 am

Atnaia wrote:
Ostehaar wrote:I suggest this leader will initially only speak politics and theory, inspiring the locals, and then I'd assassinate him - escalating to a situation which would call for a full scale invasion (for example, there could be some guerrilla attacks against my forces, like that SOAR ambush recently in Contagion).


That sounds perfect.

Alright. Do you want to start it after Contagion or now?

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Postby Atnaia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:27 pm

Ostehaar wrote:
Atnaia wrote:
That sounds perfect.

Alright. Do you want to start it after Contagion or now?

Whenever works best for you.
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Postby Ostehaar » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:24 pm

Atnaia wrote:
Ostehaar wrote:Alright. Do you want to start it after Contagion or now?

Whenever works best for you.

Let's finish Contagion first. This would make the recent events in Contagion sort of a prologue to what we're planning, and would also allow me to put more time into it (since this semester is going to be horrible).

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Postby Atnaia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:52 pm

Ostehaar wrote:
Atnaia wrote:Whenever works best for you.

Let's finish Contagion first. This would make the recent events in Contagion sort of a prologue to what we're planning, and would also allow me to put more time into it (since this semester is going to be horrible).

Awesome.
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Postby Atnaia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:30 pm

Ostehaar wrote:
Atnaia wrote:Whenever works best for you.

Let's finish Contagion first. This would make the recent events in Contagion sort of a prologue to what we're planning, and would also allow me to put more time into it (since this semester is going to be horrible).

BTW, we should do a really cool tactical/strategic map of troop movements once this starts. I think you and I could do some really cool play-by-play stuff. Part of what makes the First Chechen War so fascinating is the sheer detail of the reports you can read on stuff like the Battle of Grozny.
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Postby Ostehaar » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:53 am

Atnaia wrote:BTW, we should do a really cool tactical/strategic map of troop movements once this starts. I think you and I could do some really cool play-by-play stuff. Part of what makes the First Chechen War so fascinating is the sheer detail of the reports you can read on stuff like the Battle of Grozny.

Yep, that's why I'm happy I already have a map of Lovsk. I'll add details to it, of course.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:42 pm

Ostehaar wrote:...AM might be interested to RP the SOAR bunch as well.

Well rather than some SOAR cell or heck even SHOCK, the Merrit Liberation Front did make more sense actually.

Lovsk would remind Merritians of a similar fate and you know enemy mine once they figure that Atnaians are involved.
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Postby Atnaia » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:41 pm

Athara Magarat wrote:
Ostehaar wrote:...AM might be interested to RP the SOAR bunch as well.

Well rather than some SOAR cell or heck even SHOCK, the Merrit Liberation Front did make more sense actually.

Lovsk would remind Merritians of a similar fate and you know enemy mine once they figure that Atnaians are involved.

Sorry, but I really don't think so. You're tossing out REALLY focused groups into every conflict and it makes no sense. SOAR already has people in Lovsk, but I don't think the MLF would care. SHOCK...well, that's your decision.
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Postby Ostehaar » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:01 am

Athara Magarat wrote:Well rather than some SOAR cell or heck even SHOCK, the Merrit Liberation Front did make more sense actually.

Sorry, but I have to side with Atnaia right there... MLF has nothing to do with this issue, and SOAR already have massive presence there, so adding more groups into the mixture would be confusing.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:54 am

The thing with SHOCK now is they see themselves are "true guardians" and "liberators" of oppressed minorities. If the Lovskian? are culturally apart from mainstream Osters (assume that is the case), then SHOCK might be interested.

If not, I can have Kirat-Sunuwar Workers Party who are active in Arvan (peace has kinda returned there) trying to help fellow socialist comrades in Lovsk (provided there are). These guys are in league and funded by New Aapelistan's government and are part of Communist Internationale of the Isles involved in spreading communism through the Isles.

I will talk to NA and maybe that's how his nation can be involved here.
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Postby Ostehaar » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:10 am

Athara Magarat wrote:The thing with SHOCK now is they see themselves are "true guardians" and "liberators" of oppressed minorities. If the Lovskian? are culturally apart from mainstream Osters (assume that is the case), then SHOCK might be interested.

I personally prefer to put SHOCK aside this time - it is too much for now, I think.

Athara Magarat wrote:I can have Kirat-Sunuwar Workers Party who [...] trying to help fellow socialist comrades in Lovsk (provided there are). These guys are in league and funded by New Aapelistan's government [...]. I will talk to NA and maybe that's how his nation can be involved here.


I asked him about it - he said he would love to support any movement which would oppose anti-communist nations such as Ostehaar, no matter if that movement is communist or not (and, of course, his proxies would try to spread communism as well). I don't want the issue of spreading communism to be a major factor in the story - it is mostly just a war waged by the extremist factions of the local oppressed population against the occupying powers. I want to leave regional concepts such as communism out of it for now, other than SOAR (who are already involved to some extent).

So this Workers Party may be involved, not not significantly and not in a way which would "rob" the struggle away from the nationalistic Lovskians.

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Postby Atnaia » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:29 am

Ostehaar wrote:
Athara Magarat wrote:The thing with SHOCK now is they see themselves are "true guardians" and "liberators" of oppressed minorities. If the Lovskian? are culturally apart from mainstream Osters (assume that is the case), then SHOCK might be interested.

I personally prefer to put SHOCK aside this time - it is too much for now, I think.

Athara Magarat wrote:I can have Kirat-Sunuwar Workers Party who [...] trying to help fellow socialist comrades in Lovsk (provided there are). These guys are in league and funded by New Aapelistan's government [...]. I will talk to NA and maybe that's how his nation can be involved here.


I asked him about it - he said he would love to support any movement which would oppose anti-communist nations such as Ostehaar, no matter if that movement is communist or not (and, of course, his proxies would try to spread communism as well). I don't want the issue of spreading communism to be a major factor in the story - it is mostly just a war waged by the extremist factions of the local oppressed population against the occupying powers. I want to leave regional concepts such as communism out of it for now, other than SOAR (who are already involved to some extent).

So this Workers Party may be involved, not not significantly and not in a way which would "rob" the struggle away from the nationalistic Lovskians.

Thank god you said it. I had no idea how to put this without sounding like a dick.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:44 am

Aye, I got it.
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Postby Ostehaar » Fri May 19, 2017 6:38 am

Atnaia - since we're working towards the end of "Contagion", I think we can start building up to this thing with news posts.
I'll use the next week or so to post about tensions in Lovsk, especially in light of new confirmed cases of Ticking Flu there. To get Atnaians involved already, we can say that Atnaian advisers came to Lovsk in order to assist the Oster military in dealing with the outbreak. I'm also considering a "citizens" post about the situation on the island, to add a bit of color to the local sentiments.

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Postby Happy Happy Funville » Fri May 19, 2017 7:42 am

I used flamethrower and destroyed all of the nations involved in the LOVSK War

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Postby Isle of Luca » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:32 am

This sounds promising, I would like to join his RP.

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Postby Isle of Luca » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:03 am

The Isle of Luca attempts to capture part of the island to help spread communism and socialism, this is all backed by the people of the United Socialist States of the Isle of Luca. It sends 5 warships and 100 000 marines in to invade Lovsk.

The weapons of the Lucan military are here: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=isle_of_luca/detail=factbook/id=845129

The Military strength and branches are here: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=isle_of_luca/detail=factbook/id=845092

The signature warship of the Isle is here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=845025

The signature tank is here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=845110
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Postby Ostehaar » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:55 am

Isle of Luca wrote:The Isle of Luca attempts to capture part of the island to help spread communism and socialism, this is all backed by the people of the United Socialist States of the Isle of Luca. It sends 5 warships and 100 000 marines in to invade Lovsk.

1. The RP is currently suspended since we're not sure about Atnaia's future plans.
2. The RP was meant mainly for Atnaia and I, with other nations only playing in minor roles.
3. Your military is way over any realism standard we have in the region. Please read the introduction dispatch and see our regional caps and realism standards, before getting into RP.

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