1870-1920 Era War 2: The End Times (OOC) [NO MORE SIGNUPS]

[Skarten]

I feel like this war is just a bad way to end this RP.

I was Skyping Warg earlier, and I couldn't disagree with him on the fact that there's so much flame wars and whatever. Everyone's doing some form of godmodding, there are flame wars everyday on the OOC, and it's basically gone to just numberwanking. No kidding, the powers of the world are just gonna recruit more people, and with Manticore occasionally godmodding and Arengin saying, "I fought against you in a war so I know your tactics," it's just a pretty bad end to this roleplay. I may take accountability for not being the greatest OP, and I can definitely confirm that, but co-ops also have a say too. That's essentially why co-ops are there, to help me out because my knowledge on this topic is limited and I can't be too attentive to all this.

Welfresio in a way was right. Although I'm quite proud that we've made it this far, our quality of roleplaying has essentially deteriorated into just numberwanking, out-teching each other, and godmodding almost. In the original RP, I was locked in a war with Welfresio, and it was quite interesting. It was tense. We couldn't just call up a buncha reserves and just swarm the enemy like that. No, we had to play carefully. Artillery barrages and trenches had to be utilized, and so on. Now, it's like, "Oh I send in x amount of people." And then the other goes. "I send in y amount of tanks to counter those people."

I mean the thrill is still there. I was excited to continue Commodore Bay, but the tensity of the war is gone. I know I made the mistake of letting Traansval get a go with the motor (I regret that highly now), and that I could've done several things on my part, but this is just going down. In the end, it's just gonna be numbers, tech, and so on.

I know this is one of my long rants that I've probably given too much time to think on, but think about it. It's true, in a sense, and we've strayed... I've strayed from the entire idea that it was supposed to be as realistic as it would in real life.

I don't know what Sceoji would say. A few months ago, he applauded me for bringing the RP this far.

But is it the same RP?

See,rannoria, the problem is.
Nationstates RP don't last long.
Most of them fail.
At least if we end this RP, even if it's average, it'll be one of the Few nationstates RP That managed to reboot and go from start to finish.

[Apror]

We've strayed from the true religion basically, and need Clensing? Hmmmmmmm.

[The Manticoran Empire]

That's rich coming from the man who claims that his army is perfect. I have spent the entire RP expanding my Navy, yes, but my Army has been a Quality focused organization since the beginning, as well. And, despite the build up in recent years, it has maintained its standards of quality, focusing on training to ensure that, even in combat or total darkness, soldiers know exactly what they are doing. A mechanic can completely replace the transmission on a tank in total darkness because he has practiced it so many times. A soldier can field strip his weapon in total darkness while under fire because he has done it so many times in training.


Good for cannon fodder. Absolute crap if you are trying to accomplish something meaningful.

Your application says 29 million and, since you don't have any population labeled anywhere else, that is what I had to go on. Even if you do have 60-70 million, which I can accept, based on the conquest of new territories, you are still 200 million people short of Rusk. He can raise more troops than you can.

I'm not saying my army is perfect.
I said my navy is below average.
All i'm saying is that I'm investing in Ground forces since i've joined (MOre time than you for sure), I've made major breakthroughs, and i have an Good training schedule.
I'll post it somewhere when i have time.
Also, how is he gonna house and feed 200 million in a territory that should be as cold as greenland?
It's too much to the north.

Sure sounds like you are.
OK.
OK.
OK.
I'm not saying it makes sense. I'm just showing what it is. He can raise more troops than you so he can absorb more losses. At the same time, he can't feed those troops because you have the good farmland. There are pros and cons to his position. As a matter of fact, I don't anticipate him lasting much longer in this war.

[Ruskland-Preuben]

Yes I will, and I will do so. You are not a CO OP and that is to simply balance out the game.

Taking out 3 for each one isn't to balance.

And implying that you have no casualties, or ignoring the terrain is either.

[Skarten]

..
Okay, the population is wrong.
I started more time ago, also i annexed the whole province. I don't know why it says 29 Million, it's just damn old. I would have around 60 or 70 Million by now.
Also, Undermechanized?
I have SMGs, I'm transiting to Semi-autos too and my bolt actions were Kinda modern.
And who needs war of attrition if i can use the power of tanks?

Artillery. Anti-tank weaponry which I can supply to Rusk that will open any tank you have like a sardine can. Additionally, there are very low-tech ways to stop tanks. Take three logs and hammer them together with one pointing towards friendly lines and the tank will run up it and get stuck. Dig a ditch about 3 meters deep and 3 meters across and the tank will fall into it and won't be able to get out. It is actually quite easy to eliminate tanks from the equation.

Yeah, but they're very effective against everything when you use them right?
I'm saying that with the tanks i can defeat his troops easier.
Skarten is a industrial country, manticore.
Our soldiers aren't dumb.
They won't just walk into barbed wire and die.
They won't just pilot the tank into the direction of an Hole.

[Skarten]

Taking out 3 for each one isn't to balance.

And implying that you have no casualties, or ignoring the terrain is either.

When did i say that?
I said "relatively Light".
"Relatively" means that it's not like 10 casualties, but it's not also 300.000

[Ruskland-Preuben]

And implying that you have no casualties, or ignoring the terrain is either.

When did i say that?
I said "relatively Light".
"Relatively" means that it's not like 10 casualties, but it's not also 300.000

I'll accept 80,000+

[Skarten]

When did i say that?
I said "relatively Light".
"Relatively" means that it's not like 10 casualties, but it's not also 300.000

I'll accept 80,000+

That seems fine to me.
As i said,relatively light.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Artillery. Anti-tank weaponry which I can supply to Rusk that will open any tank you have like a sardine can. Additionally, there are very low-tech ways to stop tanks. Take three logs and hammer them together with one pointing towards friendly lines and the tank will run up it and get stuck. Dig a ditch about 3 meters deep and 3 meters across and the tank will fall into it and won't be able to get out. It is actually quite easy to eliminate tanks from the equation.

Yeah, but they're very effective against everything when you use them right?
I'm saying that with the tanks i can defeat his troops easier.
Skarten is a industrial country, manticore.
Our soldiers aren't dumb.
They won't just walk into barbed wire and die.
They won't just pilot the tank into the direction of an Hole.

First of all, anti-tank ditches are not easy to see from inside a tank. Secondly, they may not have a choice. Third, the point of barbed wire is to direct an enemy into the field of fire of a machine gun nest.

[Skarten]

Yeah, but they're very effective against everything when you use them right?
I'm saying that with the tanks i can defeat his troops easier.
Skarten is a industrial country, manticore.
Our soldiers aren't dumb.
They won't just walk into barbed wire and die.
They won't just pilot the tank into the direction of an Hole.

First of all, anti-tank ditches are not easy to see from inside a tank. Secondly, they may not have a choice. Third, the point of barbed wire is to direct an enemy into the field of fire of a machine gun nest.

you get what i mean

[Rannoria]

I feel like this war is just a bad way to end this RP.

I was Skyping Warg earlier, and I couldn't disagree with him on the fact that there's so much flame wars and whatever. Everyone's doing some form of godmodding, there are flame wars everyday on the OOC, and it's basically gone to just numberwanking. No kidding, the powers of the world are just gonna recruit more people, and with Manticore occasionally godmodding and Arengin saying, "I fought against you in a war so I know your tactics," it's just a pretty bad end to this roleplay. I may take accountability for not being the greatest OP, and I can definitely confirm that, but co-ops also have a say too. That's essentially why co-ops are there, to help me out because my knowledge on this topic is limited and I can't be too attentive to all this.

Welfresio in a way was right. Although I'm quite proud that we've made it this far, our quality of roleplaying has essentially deteriorated into just numberwanking, out-teching each other, and godmodding almost. In the original RP, I was locked in a war with Welfresio, and it was quite interesting. It was tense. We couldn't just call up a buncha reserves and just swarm the enemy like that. No, we had to play carefully. Artillery barrages and trenches had to be utilized, and so on. Now, it's like, "Oh I send in x amount of people." And then the other goes. "I send in y amount of tanks to counter those people."

I mean the thrill is still there. I was excited to continue Commodore Bay, but the tensity of the war is gone. I know I made the mistake of letting Traansval get a go with the motor (I regret that highly now), and that I could've done several things on my part, but this is just going down. In the end, it's just gonna be numbers, tech, and so on.

I know this is one of my long rants that I've probably given too much time to think on, but think about it. It's true, in a sense, and we've strayed... I've strayed from the entire idea that it was supposed to be as realistic as it would in real life.

I don't know what Sceoji would say. A few months ago, he applauded me for bringing the RP this far.

But is it the same RP?

See,rannoria, the problem is.
Nationstates RP don't last long.
Most of them fail.
At least if we end this RP, even if it's average, it'll be one of the Few nationstates RP That managed to reboot and go from start to finish.

I know NS RPs don't last long, and I stated earlier I (and Sceoji) are quite proud that we have gotten this far, and I know even some of the better RPs I've been in don't last too long.

But for a series like this, I feel like we deserve better from each other.

[Skarten]

See,rannoria, the problem is.
Nationstates RP don't last long.
Most of them fail.
At least if we end this RP, even if it's average, it'll be one of the Few nationstates RP That managed to reboot and go from start to finish.

I know NS RPs don't last long, and I stated earlier I (and Sceoji) are quite proud that we have gotten this far, and I know even some of the better RPs I've been in don't last too long.

But for a series like this, I feel like we deserve better from each other.

Well, we should end this one because i don't wanna have another RP never finished

[Apror]

I know NS RPs don't last long, and I stated earlier I (and Sceoji) are quite proud that we have gotten this far, and I know even some of the better RPs I've been in don't last too long.

But for a series like this, I feel like we deserve better from each other.

Well, we should end this one because i don't wanna have another RP never finished

Saaaaaaame. Though maybe a change in tactics. Perhaps I should call in that IE?

[Ruskland-Preuben]

I'll accept 80,000+

That seems fine to me.
As i said,relatively light.

I PUSH IT UP TO 100,000+

[Rannoria]

I know NS RPs don't last long, and I stated earlier I (and Sceoji) are quite proud that we have gotten this far, and I know even some of the better RPs I've been in don't last too long.

But for a series like this, I feel like we deserve better from each other.

Well, we should end this one because i don't wanna have another RP never finished

Yeah, me too.

Les do dis.

[Skarten]

That seems fine to me.
As i said,relatively light.

I PUSH IT UP TO 100,000+

90.000 And we don't speak about it more

[Ruskland-Preuben]

I PUSH IT UP TO 100,000+

90.000 And we don't speak about it more

95,000 and I'll be out of the door

[Skarten]

90.000 And we don't speak about it more

95,000 and I'll be out of the door

k

[Ruskland-Preuben]

95,000 and I'll be out of the door

k

With the power of rhyming I have succeeded!

[The Manticoran Empire]

First of all, anti-tank ditches are not easy to see from inside a tank. Secondly, they may not have a choice. Third, the point of barbed wire is to direct an enemy into the field of fire of a machine gun nest.

you get what i mean

Yeah. Still gotta suck the fun outta it, though.

Also, how many GDU POWs in Tamir? I'm working on a post and my estimates are being based on Italian losses from the First World War. Between 460,000 and 651,000 killed and wounded and I'm not wanting to determine the POWs for you.

[Skarten]

you get what i mean

Yeah. Still gotta suck the fun outta it, though.

Also, how many GDU POWs in Tamir? I'm working on a post and my estimates are being based on Italian losses from the First World War. Between 460,000 and 651,000 killed and wounded and I'm not wanting to determine the POWs for you.

I'd say about 400.000 POWs, but not really alot of higher up officers as they were most likely to be evacuated from Skaven.
How?
Ancient cities had those secret passages for Higher ups to escape if there was a siege, and since Skaven seems to be a main city on Tamir, i'd say it would have enough.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Yeah. Still gotta suck the fun outta it, though.

Also, how many GDU POWs in Tamir? I'm working on a post and my estimates are being based on Italian losses from the First World War. Between 460,000 and 651,000 killed and wounded and I'm not wanting to determine the POWs for you.

I'd say about 400.000 POWs, but not really alot of higher up officers as they were most likely to be evacuated from Skaven.
How?
Ancient cities had those secret passages for Higher ups to escape if there was a siege, and since Skaven seems to be a main city on Tamir, i'd say it would have enough.

Being evacuated by train or car makes more sense.

[Skarten]

I'd say about 400.000 POWs, but not really alot of higher up officers as they were most likely to be evacuated from Skaven.
How?
Ancient cities had those secret passages for Higher ups to escape if there was a siege, and since Skaven seems to be a main city on Tamir, i'd say it would have enough.

Being evacuated by train or car makes more sense.

Yeah, they were probably evacuated to a nearby place outside the town with a train.

[The Traansval]

At least tell us how many ships you sent.

You can see on my Stats

You don't have it listed in your stats.

Also, TWO SHIPS? Fuck no, we've subk waaay more than that.

[The Manticoran Empire]

You can see on my Stats

You don't have it listed in your stats.

Also, TWO SHIPS? Fuck no, we've subk waaay more than that.

1 dreadnought, 3 battleships, 5 battlecruisers, 9 cruisers, and 8 destroyers lost by Arengin and Traansval both.