1870-1920 Era War 2: The End Times (OOC) [NO MORE SIGNUPS]

[Skarten]

Guys, i'll get my troopers from Shievak to arrive,ok

I'd say about half of them by now, unless you altered the route they took to be shorter, which would take less time.

I just took a safe Route for now, but maybe
Like the shortest way would be right through your territory, and you would use your magic fisher boats to spot me

[The Manticoran Empire]

I'd say about half of them by now, unless you altered the route they took to be shorter, which would take less time.

I just took a safe Route for now, but maybe
Like the shortest way would be right through your territory, and you would use your magic fisher boats to spot me

I wouldn't need "fishermen" to spot you. A force that large? Come on, dude. A force carrying 200,000 men could be spotted from 20 miles away.

[Skarten]

First, its relatively light
Second, we broke through them before and rusk didnt send anyone after us. Also, why would they? Rusk army is basically Kinda good peasant hordes, we invest on army since im in this RP
Also, when manticore does it, no problem right?

1. I'm not convinced. You are fighting the Imperial Japanese Army mixed with the Waffen SS. "Relatively Light" is not acceptable.
2. So? Russia's army was peasant hordes. Look what they accomplished by being straight stubborn dicks. THEY CONQUERED HALF OF FUCKING EUROPE FROM THE NAZIS!
3. Except I don't.

The difference is that the war killed 80% of USSR Males. Also, they had lots and lots of good tanks like the T-34.
I have the T-26 (One of the versions) and the T-28 (I don't remember what version)..
Also, Imperial japanese mixed with Waffen SS?
Ruskland is a straight up horde of fanactical Cthullistic zealots

[Skarten]

I just took a safe Route for now, but maybe
Like the shortest way would be right through your territory, and you would use your magic fisher boats to spot me

I wouldn't need "fishermen" to spot you. A force that large? Come on, dude. A force carrying 200,000 men could be spotted from 20 miles away.

Yeah, exactly why i chose not to go straight through your territory.
I mean, they have a Convoy to escort them, but your navy is just bigger

[The Manticoran Empire]

1. I'm not convinced. You are fighting the Imperial Japanese Army mixed with the Waffen SS. "Relatively Light" is not acceptable.
2. So? Russia's army was peasant hordes. Look what they accomplished by being straight stubborn dicks. THEY CONQUERED HALF OF FUCKING EUROPE FROM THE NAZIS!
3. Except I don't.

The difference is that the war killed 80% of USSR Males. Also, they had lots and lots of good tanks like the T-34.
I have the T-26 (One of the versions) and the T-28 (I don't remember what version)..
Also, Imperial japanese mixed with Waffen SS?
Ruskland is a straight up horde of fanactical Cthullistic zealots

Yeah. The Waffen SS were fanatically loyal to Hitler and Himmler, viewing themselves as the perfection of the human genome and willing to kill anyone who stood in the way of the Third Reich. The Imperial Japanese Army worshiped the Emperor as a GOD! They would turn themselves into suicide bombers before they would surrender.

I wouldn't need "fishermen" to spot you. A force that large? Come on, dude. A force carrying 200,000 men could be spotted from 20 miles away.

Yeah, exactly why i chose not to go straight through your territory.
I mean, they have a Convoy to escort them, but your navy is just bigger

Which is why they are probably somewhere in Afrikaa right now, since to reach your homeland, you have to pass by my territory and, while you might be able to slip small forces through, a fleet carrying 200,000 soldiers is a bit more difficult to hide.

[Skarten]

The difference is that the war killed 80% of USSR Males. Also, they had lots and lots of good tanks like the T-34.
I have the T-26 (One of the versions) and the T-28 (I don't remember what version)..
Also, Imperial japanese mixed with Waffen SS?
Ruskland is a straight up horde of fanactical Cthullistic zealots

Yeah. The Waffen SS were fanatically loyal to Hitler and Himmler, viewing themselves as the perfection of the human genome and willing to kill anyone who stood in the way of the Third Reich. The Imperial Japanese Army worshiped the Emperor as a GOD! They would turn themselves into suicide bombers before they would surrender.

Yeah, exactly why i chose not to go straight through your territory.
I mean, they have a Convoy to escort them, but your navy is just bigger

Which is why they are probably somewhere in Afrikaa right now, since to reach your homeland, you have to pass by my territory and, while you might be able to slip small forces through, a fleet carrying 200,000 soldiers is a bit more difficult to hide.

Except that They could reach a GDU Land and use rails from there

[Skarten]

The difference is that the war killed 80% of USSR Males. Also, they had lots and lots of good tanks like the T-34.
I have the T-26 (One of the versions) and the T-28 (I don't remember what version)..
Also, Imperial japanese mixed with Waffen SS?
Ruskland is a straight up horde of fanactical Cthullistic zealots

Yeah. The Waffen SS were fanatically loyal to Hitler and Himmler, viewing themselves as the perfection of the human genome and willing to kill anyone who stood in the way of the Third Reich. The Imperial Japanese Army worshiped the Emperor as a GOD! They would turn themselves into suicide bombers before they would surrender.

Yeah, exactly why i chose not to go straight through your territory.
I mean, they have a Convoy to escort them, but your navy is just bigger

Which is why they are probably somewhere in Afrikaa right now, since to reach your homeland, you have to pass by my territory and, while you might be able to slip small forces through, a fleet carrying 200,000 soldiers is a bit more difficult to hide.

The difference is that Ruskland is a horde on a Land that should be as cold as Greenland. He said himself he still has some feudalism stuff on his society. I think. I heard something like that here in the OOC that he said

[Ruskland-Preuben]

Yeah. The Waffen SS were fanatically loyal to Hitler and Himmler, viewing themselves as the perfection of the human genome and willing to kill anyone who stood in the way of the Third Reich. The Imperial Japanese Army worshiped the Emperor as a GOD! They would turn themselves into suicide bombers before they would surrender.


Which is why they are probably somewhere in Afrikaa right now, since to reach your homeland, you have to pass by my territory and, while you might be able to slip small forces through, a fleet carrying 200,000 soldiers is a bit more difficult to hide.

The difference is that Ruskland is a horde on a Land that should be as cold as Greenland. He said himself he still has some feudalism stuff on his society. I think. I heard something like that here in the OOC that he said

And my VASSAL LEVIES AREN'T EVEN RESERVES, SO MOAR MEN!

[The Manticoran Empire]

Yeah. The Waffen SS were fanatically loyal to Hitler and Himmler, viewing themselves as the perfection of the human genome and willing to kill anyone who stood in the way of the Third Reich. The Imperial Japanese Army worshiped the Emperor as a GOD! They would turn themselves into suicide bombers before they would surrender.


Which is why they are probably somewhere in Afrikaa right now, since to reach your homeland, you have to pass by my territory and, while you might be able to slip small forces through, a fleet carrying 200,000 soldiers is a bit more difficult to hide.

The difference is that Ruskland is a horde on a Land that should be as cold as Greenland. He said himself he still has some feudalism stuff on his society. I think. I heard something like that here in the OOC that he said

Which has no bearing on his ability to inflict casualties.

Yeah. The Waffen SS were fanatically loyal to Hitler and Himmler, viewing themselves as the perfection of the human genome and willing to kill anyone who stood in the way of the Third Reich. The Imperial Japanese Army worshiped the Emperor as a GOD! They would turn themselves into suicide bombers before they would surrender.


Which is why they are probably somewhere in Afrikaa right now, since to reach your homeland, you have to pass by my territory and, while you might be able to slip small forces through, a fleet carrying 200,000 soldiers is a bit more difficult to hide.

Except that They could reach a GDU Land and use rails from there

No shit, genius. Except for the fact that the rails are being used to ferry troops to the front and i doubt Arengin would waste time moving your troops by rail when his own troops need supplies.

[Skarten]

The difference is that Ruskland is a horde on a Land that should be as cold as Greenland. He said himself he still has some feudalism stuff on his society. I think. I heard something like that here in the OOC that he said

And my VASSAL LEVIES AREN'T EVEN RESERVES, SO MOAR MEN!

YEah, you got lots of man.
The difference, manticore, is that you can't say my infantry is bad. I'm investing mainly in Ground forces since i joined the RP. I was the first to create an actual tank (I Created the Mark I!)

[Ruskland-Preuben]

And my VASSAL LEVIES AREN'T EVEN RESERVES, SO MOAR MEN!

YEah, you got lots of man.
The difference, manticore, is that you can't say my infantry is bad. I'm investing mainly in Ground forces since i joined the RP. I was the first to create an actual tank (I Created the Mark I!)

Main troops+Reserves+Conscripts+Vassals=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Skarten]

YEah, you got lots of man.
The difference, manticore, is that you can't say my infantry is bad. I'm investing mainly in Ground forces since i joined the RP. I was the first to create an actual tank (I Created the Mark I!)

Main troops+Reserves+Conscripts+Vassals=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

At least you accept that your army isn't perfect.
I acknowledge my Navy isnt really good, but i know my Ground forces are great.
Different from someone i know.

[Ruskland-Preuben]

Main troops+Reserves+Conscripts+Vassals=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

At least you accept that your army isn't perfect.
I acknowledge my Navy isnt really good, but i know my Ground forces are great.
Different from someone i know.

My army is perfect... In taking down three before falling down one.
We like to give high casualties to those that attack defense mode Ruskland-Preuben god cards.

[The Manticoran Empire]

And my VASSAL LEVIES AREN'T EVEN RESERVES, SO MOAR MEN!

YEah, you got lots of man.
The difference, manticore, is that you can't say my infantry is bad. I'm investing mainly in Ground forces since i joined the RP. I was the first to create an actual tank (I Created the Mark I!)

Skarten, you miss the point. It doesn't matter how good your infantry are. Unless you can magic into existence bullet proof body armor, your guys die same as everyone else. Rusk simply digs in and lets you bleed yourself to death against his lines.

Additionally, you have not. Based on what I have seen, you have barely changed since that first tank. Your Army is VERY small compared to your allies and enemies alike. Your military is undermechanized and still makes use of older bolt actions while most armies are transitioning to semi-autos and submachine guns. Sure, you may be able to beat Rusk eventually but it will drain your manpower. Your population is 43,150,513, since your starting population was 29,000,000 in 1875 and it has been 36 years since then, assuming a population growth rate of 1.11% annually. Compare that to Rusks population of 274 million and it's easy to see who will win a war of attrition.

[Ruskland-Preuben]

YEah, you got lots of man.
The difference, manticore, is that you can't say my infantry is bad. I'm investing mainly in Ground forces since i joined the RP. I was the first to create an actual tank (I Created the Mark I!)

Skarten, you miss the point. It doesn't matter how good your infantry are. Unless you can magic into existence bullet proof body armor, your guys die same as everyone else. Rusk simply digs in and lets you bleed yourself to death against his lines.

Additionally, you have not. Based on what I have seen, you have barely changed since that first tank. Your Army is VERY small compared to your allies and enemies alike. Your military is undermechanized and still makes use of older bolt actions while most armies are transitioning to semi-autos and submachine guns. Sure, you may be able to beat Rusk eventually but it will drain your manpower. Your population is 43,150,513, since your starting population was 29,000,000 in 1875 and it has been 36 years since then, assuming a population growth rate of 1.11% annually. Compare that to Rusks population of 274 million and it's easy to see who will win a war of attrition.

Teehee, I love it when I play this Manticoran Trap Card.
But on a serious note, what do you think of having vassal armies?

[Skarten]

YEah, you got lots of man.
The difference, manticore, is that you can't say my infantry is bad. I'm investing mainly in Ground forces since i joined the RP. I was the first to create an actual tank (I Created the Mark I!)

Skarten, you miss the point. It doesn't matter how good your infantry are. Unless you can magic into existence bullet proof body armor, your guys die same as everyone else. Rusk simply digs in and lets you bleed yourself to death against his lines.

Additionally, you have not. Based on what I have seen, you have barely changed since that first tank. Your Army is VERY small compared to your allies and enemies alike. Your military is undermechanized and still makes use of older bolt actions while most armies are transitioning to semi-autos and submachine guns. Sure, you may be able to beat Rusk eventually but it will drain your manpower. Your population is 43,150,513, since your starting population was 29,000,000 in 1875 and it has been 36 years since then, assuming a population growth rate of 1.11% annually. Compare that to Rusks population of 274 million and it's easy to see who will win a war of attrition.

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Okay, the population is wrong.
I started more time ago, also i annexed the whole province. I don't know why it says 29 Million, it's just damn old. I would have around 60 or 70 Million by now.
Also, Undermechanized?
I have SMGs, I'm transiting to Semi-autos too and my bolt actions were Kinda modern.
And who needs war of attrition if i can use the power of tanks?

[Apror]

What are the National populations?

[Skarten]

At least you accept that your army isn't perfect.
I acknowledge my Navy isnt really good, but i know my Ground forces are great.
Different from someone i know.

My army is perfect... In taking down three before falling down one.
We like to give high casualties to those that attack defense mode Ruskland-Preuben god cards.

No, you won't
In the Attack, i said i surprise bombarded you, then Used Modern tanks to break through.
I'm also thinking on getting the M3 Maybe, since i've been using The AMerican transports.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Main troops+Reserves+Conscripts+Vassals=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

At least you accept that your army isn't perfect.
I acknowledge my Navy isnt really good, but i know my Ground forces are great.
Different from someone i know.

That's rich coming from the man who claims that his army is perfect. I have spent the entire RP expanding my Navy, yes, but my Army has been a Quality focused organization since the beginning, as well. And, despite the build up in recent years, it has maintained its standards of quality, focusing on training to ensure that, even in combat or total darkness, soldiers know exactly what they are doing. A mechanic can completely replace the transmission on a tank in total darkness because he has practiced it so many times. A soldier can field strip his weapon in total darkness while under fire because he has done it so many times in training.

Skarten, you miss the point. It doesn't matter how good your infantry are. Unless you can magic into existence bullet proof body armor, your guys die same as everyone else. Rusk simply digs in and lets you bleed yourself to death against his lines.

Additionally, you have not. Based on what I have seen, you have barely changed since that first tank. Your Army is VERY small compared to your allies and enemies alike. Your military is undermechanized and still makes use of older bolt actions while most armies are transitioning to semi-autos and submachine guns. Sure, you may be able to beat Rusk eventually but it will drain your manpower. Your population is 43,150,513, since your starting population was 29,000,000 in 1875 and it has been 36 years since then, assuming a population growth rate of 1.11% annually. Compare that to Rusks population of 274 million and it's easy to see who will win a war of attrition.

Teehee, I love it when I play this Manticoran Trap Card.
But on a serious note, what do you think of having vassal armies?

Good for cannon fodder. Absolute crap if you are trying to accomplish something meaningful.

Skarten, you miss the point. It doesn't matter how good your infantry are. Unless you can magic into existence bullet proof body armor, your guys die same as everyone else. Rusk simply digs in and lets you bleed yourself to death against his lines.

Additionally, you have not. Based on what I have seen, you have barely changed since that first tank. Your Army is VERY small compared to your allies and enemies alike. Your military is undermechanized and still makes use of older bolt actions while most armies are transitioning to semi-autos and submachine guns. Sure, you may be able to beat Rusk eventually but it will drain your manpower. Your population is 43,150,513, since your starting population was 29,000,000 in 1875 and it has been 36 years since then, assuming a population growth rate of 1.11% annually. Compare that to Rusks population of 274 million and it's easy to see who will win a war of attrition.

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Okay, the population is wrong.
I started more time ago, also i annexed the whole province. I don't know why it says 29 Million, it's just damn old. I would have around 60 or 70 Million by now.
Also, Undermechanized?
I have SMGs, I'm transiting to Semi-autos too and my bolt actions were Kinda modern.
And who needs war of attrition if i can use the power of tanks?

Your application says 29 million and, since you don't have any population labeled anywhere else, that is what I had to go on. Even if you do have 60-70 million, which I can accept, based on the conquest of new territories, you are still 200 million people short of Rusk. He can raise more troops than you can.

[Skarten]

YEah, you got lots of man.
The difference, manticore, is that you can't say my infantry is bad. I'm investing mainly in Ground forces since i joined the RP. I was the first to create an actual tank (I Created the Mark I!)

Skarten, you miss the point. It doesn't matter how good your infantry are. Unless you can magic into existence bullet proof body armor, your guys die same as everyone else. Rusk simply digs in and lets you bleed yourself to death against his lines.

Additionally, you have not. Based on what I have seen, you have barely changed since that first tank. Your Army is VERY small compared to your allies and enemies alike. Your military is undermechanized and still makes use of older bolt actions while most armies are transitioning to semi-autos and submachine guns. Sure, you may be able to beat Rusk eventually but it will drain your manpower. Your population is 43,150,513, since your starting population was 29,000,000 in 1875 and it has been 36 years since then, assuming a population growth rate of 1.11% annually. Compare that to Rusks population of 274 million and it's easy to see who will win a war of attrition.

Also, i got a lot of RUskland's good Territory.
Now he's like mostly Ice.
And that's because the map isn't realistic.

[Skarten]

At least you accept that your army isn't perfect.
I acknowledge my Navy isnt really good, but i know my Ground forces are great.
Different from someone i know.

That's rich coming from the man who claims that his army is perfect. I have spent the entire RP expanding my Navy, yes, but my Army has been a Quality focused organization since the beginning, as well. And, despite the build up in recent years, it has maintained its standards of quality, focusing on training to ensure that, even in combat or total darkness, soldiers know exactly what they are doing. A mechanic can completely replace the transmission on a tank in total darkness because he has practiced it so many times. A soldier can field strip his weapon in total darkness while under fire because he has done it so many times in training.

Teehee, I love it when I play this Manticoran Trap Card.
But on a serious note, what do you think of having vassal armies?

Good for cannon fodder. Absolute crap if you are trying to accomplish something meaningful.

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Okay, the population is wrong.
I started more time ago, also i annexed the whole province. I don't know why it says 29 Million, it's just damn old. I would have around 60 or 70 Million by now.
Also, Undermechanized?
I have SMGs, I'm transiting to Semi-autos too and my bolt actions were Kinda modern.
And who needs war of attrition if i can use the power of tanks?

Your application says 29 million and, since you don't have any population labeled anywhere else, that is what I had to go on. Even if you do have 60-70 million, which I can accept, based on the conquest of new territories, you are still 200 million people short of Rusk. He can raise more troops than you can.

I'm not saying my army is perfect.
I said my navy is below average.
All i'm saying is that I'm investing in Ground forces since i've joined (MOre time than you for sure), I've made major breakthroughs, and i have an Good training schedule.
I'll post it somewhere when i have time.
Also, how is he gonna house and feed 200 million in a territory that should be as cold as greenland?
It's too much to the north.

[Ruskland-Preuben]

My army is perfect... In taking down three before falling down one.
We like to give high casualties to those that attack defense mode Ruskland-Preuben god cards.

No, you won't
In the Attack, i said i surprise bombarded you, then Used Modern tanks to break through.
I'm also thinking on getting the M3 Maybe, since i've been using The AMerican transports.

Yes I will, and I will do so. You are not a CO OP and that is to simply balance out the game.

[Rannoria]

I feel like this war is just a bad way to end this RP.

I was Skyping Warg earlier, and I couldn't disagree with him on the fact that there's so much flame wars and whatever. Everyone's doing some form of godmodding, there are flame wars everyday on the OOC, and it's basically gone to just numberwanking. No kidding, the powers of the world are just gonna recruit more people, and with Manticore occasionally godmodding and Arengin saying, "I fought against you in a war so I know your tactics," it's just a pretty bad end to this roleplay. I may take accountability for not being the greatest OP, and I can definitely confirm that, but co-ops also have a say too. That's essentially why co-ops are there, to help me out because my knowledge on this topic is limited and I can't be too attentive to all this.

Welfresio in a way was right. Although I'm quite proud that we've made it this far, our quality of roleplaying has essentially deteriorated into just numberwanking, out-teching each other, and godmodding almost. In the original RP, I was locked in a war with Welfresio, and it was quite interesting. It was tense. We couldn't just call up a buncha reserves and just swarm the enemy like that. No, we had to play carefully. Artillery barrages and trenches had to be utilized, and so on. Now, it's like, "Oh I send in x amount of people." And then the other goes. "I send in y amount of tanks to counter those people."

I mean the thrill is still there. I was excited to continue Commodore Bay, but the tensity of the war is gone. I know I made the mistake of letting Traansval get a go with the motor (I regret that highly now), and that I could've done several things on my part, but this is just going down. In the end, it's just gonna be numbers, tech, and so on.

I know this is one of my long rants that I've probably given too much time to think on, but think about it. It's true, in a sense, and we've strayed... I've strayed from the entire idea that it was supposed to be as realistic as it would in real life.

I don't know what Sceoji would say. A few months ago, he applauded me for bringing the RP this far.

But is it the same RP?

[Skarten]

No, you won't
In the Attack, i said i surprise bombarded you, then Used Modern tanks to break through.
I'm also thinking on getting the M3 Maybe, since i've been using The AMerican transports.

Yes I will, and I will do so. You are not a CO OP and that is to simply balance out the game.

Taking out 3 for each one isn't to balance.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Skarten, you miss the point. It doesn't matter how good your infantry are. Unless you can magic into existence bullet proof body armor, your guys die same as everyone else. Rusk simply digs in and lets you bleed yourself to death against his lines.

Additionally, you have not. Based on what I have seen, you have barely changed since that first tank. Your Army is VERY small compared to your allies and enemies alike. Your military is undermechanized and still makes use of older bolt actions while most armies are transitioning to semi-autos and submachine guns. Sure, you may be able to beat Rusk eventually but it will drain your manpower. Your population is 43,150,513, since your starting population was 29,000,000 in 1875 and it has been 36 years since then, assuming a population growth rate of 1.11% annually. Compare that to Rusks population of 274 million and it's easy to see who will win a war of attrition.

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Okay, the population is wrong.
I started more time ago, also i annexed the whole province. I don't know why it says 29 Million, it's just damn old. I would have around 60 or 70 Million by now.
Also, Undermechanized?
I have SMGs, I'm transiting to Semi-autos too and my bolt actions were Kinda modern.
And who needs war of attrition if i can use the power of tanks?

Artillery. Anti-tank weaponry which I can supply to Rusk that will open any tank you have like a sardine can. Additionally, there are very low-tech ways to stop tanks. Take three logs and hammer them together with one pointing towards friendly lines and the tank will run up it and get stuck. Dig a ditch about 3 meters deep and 3 meters across and the tank will fall into it and won't be able to get out. It is actually quite easy to eliminate tanks from the equation.