Khas-Kirati conquests (TWI Only | OOC)

[Atnaia]

The concept of a nation state didn't exist in the modern sense back then, so none of us would really resemble a nation per se...

[Ostehaar]

The concept of a nation state didn't exist in the modern sense back then, so none of us would really resemble a nation per se...

There were kingdoms and similar things. I consider that a "nation", for the sake of discussion. The point is that in Ostehaar there wouldn't be an entity with which Kalorphi could negotiate a defense pact of some sort.

[Athara Magarat]

Hmm, I don't really have anything in my history for this time period. Might be interesting to have an attempted expedition to Shanowinn at some point.

One potential motive could be that the Khas Kiratis hear about Owinn horses and want to take the land, and thus the horses and their breeding, for themselves. They send and invasion army. It doesn't seem like Shanowinn's culture or history otherwise really reflects Khas Kirati influence so perhaps the expedition goes wrong in one way or another. Like a storm destroys some of the army at sea, and the rest are blown off course, landing in the highlands instead of the lowlands where they'd want to be. The Owinnorse there in the highlands harass the invaders with raids. Or the invasion fleet does land in the lowlands, winning at first, but then is defeated by the Owinn Ahern.

How I wish that the Ridire heavy cavalry would've been around then...it'd be freaking epic (from my point of view lol) imagining these heavy knights breaking a siege like the Winged Hussars at Vienna in 1683 (they are partly inspired by the Winged Hussars). Not that something like that couldn't happen with other horsemen/earlier medieval knights of course lol. Just not as epic.

Yes, the hordes did want your horses the moment they heard of them. So let's say there was an attempted invasion but most of the ships sent on Owinn lands expedition went away with the storm. A few (as in less than 10,000) landed and took the Owinn tribes by surprise at first then gradually lost.

The Lost Horde? Now that is a unique name for the group that never returned to the homeland and Owinn lands was eventually forgotten.

[Athara Magarat]

Hello.

I was a bit reluctant to post here as my early history is very dodgy, having not knowing where I wanted to go with that. However, I am very interested in early history and would gladly take part in this now.

As the Nyssics are very heavily based off of the old Scots system, I imagine early Noronica to have a clan-based system with a heavy pagan culture. The clans would have held land around Noronica. The highest position of power would have been the 'Laerd' (pronounced 'layered') and they were effectively the monarch of Noronica. I have yet to fully develop this part of history, but I would love to develop this along the way.

You are welcome. It's what this thread is about. Developing our nations medieval history.

[Ipland]

Hello,

I would like to discuss the history

[Athara Magarat]

Hello,

I would like to discuss the history

You are welcome. How can we help you?

[Ipland]

Hello,

I would like to discuss the history

You are welcome. How can we help you?

I'd like to discuss more of this early history

[Athara Magarat]

I'd like to discuss more of this early history

According to what we discussed earlier, you were conquered for a brief time until Keomora liberated you. And I remember something about nations or kingdoms in your south. The timeline was somewhere between 11th or 12th Century I think.

[Ipland]

I'd like to discuss more of this early history

According to what we discussed earlier, you were conquered for a brief time until Keomora liberated you. And I remember something about nations or kingdoms in your south. The timeline was somewhere between 11th or 12th Century I think.

How much was conquered?

[Athara Magarat]

How much was conquered?

Depends on what you want your history to be. Half of the nation conquered and rescued by Keomora or fully conquered. Up to you, my friend.

[Ipland]

How much was conquered?

Depends on what you want your history to be. Half of the nation conquered and rescued by Keomora or fully conquered. Up to you, my friend.

How about south-central is conquered fully, and while the centre to the north is being fought over, the Keomorans arrive and help the people in the centre and then they help take back the south.

Also, while the Khas-Kirati own the land, do they build permanent structures like religious ones?

[Athara Magarat]

How about south-central is conquered fully, and while the centre to the north is being fought over, the Keomorans arrive and help the people in the centre and then they help take back the south.

Also, while the Khas-Kirati own the land, do they build permanent structures like religious ones?

I like this idea.

Originally they would not but by the time they reached your nation they would have plenty of Buddhists and Balnians among them. They built loads of Balnian churches, Buddhist monasteries and ethnic animist shrines over the buildings they destroyed.

[Keomora]

How about south-central is conquered fully, and while the centre to the north is being fought over, the Keomorans arrive and help the people in the centre and then they help take back the south.

Also, while the Khas-Kirati own the land, do they build permanent structures like religious ones?

I like this idea.

Originally they would not but by the time they reached your nation they would have plenty of Buddhists and Balnians among them. They built loads of Balnian churches, Buddhist monasteries and ethnic animist shrines over the buildings they destroyed.

And then we would arrive to destroy those buildings and replace them with our.

[Shanowinn]

Okay I'm not entirely sure when the "Lost Horde" would try coming to Shanowinn--if Khas-Kiratis already went to Domanania (which I'm near) in the early 10th century then I'm going to wing it and assume that there were some first contacts (traders/explorers maybe) recorded around that time in Shanowinn? This is for IC post purposes. I can edit the date if necessary.

EDIT: I just said that that particular historical account was from sometime in the 10th century. Its basically just a first real contact between the Ciratí ("Kiratis" in Owinnaeilge, since I'm thinking in the language there isn't a K originally) and the Owinns where they sort of first start seeing the potential for the Owinn horses.

[Athara Magarat]

Okay I'm not entirely sure when the "Lost Horde" would try coming to Shanowinn--if Khas-Kiratis already went to Domanania (which I'm near) in the early 10th century then I'm going to wing it and assume that there were some first contacts (traders/explorers maybe) recorded around that time in Shanowinn? This is for IC post purposes. I can edit the date if necessary.

EDIT: I just said that that particular historical account was from sometime in the 10th century. Its basically just a first real contact between the Ciratí ("Kiratis" in Owinnaeilge, since I'm thinking in the language there isn't a K originally) and the Owinns where they sort of first start seeing the potential for the Owinn horses.

Yes, that makes it even more realistic. Bhikkustan's native Herudi, Alangatai and Parsaev peoples did not have "Ha" word, so they pronounced Hang as Khang and ultimately became Khan.

The Khas-Kiratis would pronounce it as Key-RAT, foreigners would certainly say it as KAY-RAT (the Far Cry 4 way).

First contact before the warriors come, yes, that paints them as not just mindless barbarians. Love the Owinn steeds.

[Domanania]

Im thinking about writing about the first Doman traders to venture out beyond the four passages in force. Mostly to trade with other conquered lands and to pay tribute.

Athara: Who and where would the tribute go?

Everyone else: who would most likely not know about my island from 920-950 AD and would like, in addition these strange horsemen showing up, then similarly strange men offering trade goods seemingly out of no where?

[Athara Magarat]

Im thinking about writing about the first Doman traders to venture out beyond the four passages in force. Mostly to trade with other conquered lands and to pay tribute.

Athara: Who and where would the tribute go?

Everyone else: who would most likely not know about my island from 920-950 AD and would like, in addition these strange horsemen showing up, then similarly strange men offering trade goods seemingly out of no where?

Pretty much tributes would be used to buff the military of the hordes all under the authority of the Mahang (or they were more like acted independently but needed his/her permission to do their job).

I was actually thinking of giving higher-status Domans the duty similar to Darughachi other than merchants and sailors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darughachi

I think rare goods would be shipped to pacify conquered lands and build newer buildings and places of worship, etc.

[Domanania]

Im thinking about writing about the first Doman traders to venture out beyond the four passages in force. Mostly to trade with other conquered lands and to pay tribute.

Athara: Who and where would the tribute go?

Everyone else: who would most likely not know about my island from 920-950 AD and would like, in addition these strange horsemen showing up, then similarly strange men offering trade goods seemingly out of no where?

Pretty much tributes would be used to buff the military of the hordes all under the authority of the Mahang (or they were more like acted independently but needed his/her permission to do their job).

I was actually thinking of giving higher-status Domans the duty similar to Darughachi other than merchants and sailors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darughachi

I think rare goods would be shipped to pacify conquered lands and build newer buildings and places of worship, etc.

Hm. that also works. Even like a yearly tithe would work for us, similar to paying our overlord taxes.

[Athara Magarat]

Hm. that also works. Even like a yearly tithe would work for us, similar to paying our overlord taxes.

If you say so, yes.

[Covonant]

Tag...I may be interested.

[Athara Magarat]

Tag...I may be interested.

Da, welcome. Have you seen the IC, my friend.

[Athara Magarat]

So guys, I have been thinking of one definite moment that would have shown how bad the Khas-Kirat Empire was.

I think you all have heard of the Siege of Baghdad (haven't you?). To me, that was the moment other than Genghis, Ogedei, Kublai or Subutai doing the things that made the world call them barbarian warlords. Hulagu (so-called Destroyer of Persian Culture), sacked Baghdad; the Caliph had been sure that the whole Islamic world from India to North Africa would support him against the Mongols but they didn't. It is said that it took two or so century for Baghdad's population and agriculture to stabilize again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)

Here, something akin to this would be the reason the name of Khas-Kirati Empire was not be trifled with: either accept the new overlords even if they are barbarians or be wiped out that entirely. And if you guys agree, this might be a battle that would have not only several different tribes but various nations involved in a rare major campaign. It would be more interesting to have a Christian or Muslim nation or a religious nation be attacked.

[Covonant]

Tag...I may be interested.

Da, welcome. Have you seen the IC, my friend.

I have not actually. I read the opening of this OOC and see since Covonant was once a territory of the Khas empire I could rp how the Taurots tried to overcome the invasion but subsequently lost.

[Keomora]

Da, welcome. Have you seen the IC, my friend.

I have not actually. I read the opening of this OOC and see since Covonant was once a territory of the Khas empire I could rp how the Taurots tried to overcome the invasion but subsequently lost.

Maybe the Keomorans aided with the Taurots independence, which established our friendly relations.

[Covonant]

I have not actually. I read the opening of this OOC and see since Covonant was once a territory of the Khas empire I could rp how the Taurots tried to overcome the invasion but subsequently lost.

Maybe the Keomorans aided with the Taurots independence, which established our friendly relations.

Taurots never gained independence. The Khas were kicked out by descendants of modern day Covonantians. But maybe we could have it that the Khas didn't conquer the Taurots easily due to support from the Keomorans, resulting in a long invasion.