Khas-Kirati conquests (TWI Only | OOC)

[Keomora]

I am doing a post this weekend... is it possible that one of the greatest goals of the Khas karati empire was to conquer the Empire of Kemor?

[Athara Magarat]

I am doing a post this weekend... is it possible that one of the greatest goals of the Khas karati empire was to conquer the Empire of Kemor?

Why not?

Before...These bloody northerners Kemor-rats have been a hindrance to the empire for a long time. Brothers and sisters, it's time to destroy these pests.

After multiple atttempst lasting centuries...Idiots, should have mentioned that they have a huge navy. We could not even see their land. No problem, we will now find all lands where these Kemor-rats have settlements outside of their homeland and destroy all of that.

After attempts on Keomoran colonies...What now? Rebellions? Again?!

War continues for another century or so...

[Polar Svalbard]

This interests me.

[Keomora]

Yeah... but looking from your comment I see your leaders as valuing conquest and to to force a foe into subjugation, one that is wealthy and defied the Khas kairati for decades would have been the stuff of legends

[Athara Magarat]

This interests me.

Could you describe what your nation was like in the 10th-14th Century?

Would your people help the Khas-Kirat Empire to hack down those Christian sons-of-bitches or would be against them?

[Athara Magarat]

Yeah... but looking from your comment I see your leaders as valuing conquest and to to force a foe into subjugation, one that is wealthy and defied the Khas kairati for decades would have been the stuff of legends

Okay, best to say that there were multiple attempts throughout centuries to subjugate Kemoran mainland but like with Japan, never reached the land areas (or could have?).

The two empires were officially at war for centuries; each attempting to overthrow the other but both being unsuccessful in major campaigns. You could make it that Kemori people rejoiced that their empire lasted longer than the barbarians.

[Kalorphi]

Ok, this is pretty cool. Can I join?

[Bhikkustan]

Ok. Expect some stuff from me

[Athara Magarat]

Ok, this is pretty cool. Can I join?

Of course, feel free to develop your history here and put some posts on IC.

Ok. Expect some stuff from me

Yay! I was waiting for you, brother.

[Bhikkustan]

Ok, this is pretty cool. Can I join?

Of course, feel free to develop your history here and put some posts on IC.

Ok. Expect some stuff from me

Yay! I was waiting for you, brother.

Should have mentioned me then bro. I didn't know this existed until I saw it by chance on an old rmb post.

[Kalorphi]

Of course, feel free to develop your history here and put some posts on IC.

So if my nation is on the other side of the map, at what point would the Horde have reached me?

[Athara Magarat]

Should have mentioned me then bro. I didn't know this existed until I saw it by chance on an old rmb post.

Sorry bro. I thought you were mentioned.

So if my nation is on the other side of the map, at what point would the Horde have reached me?

Your spot is going to be Vernic and New Spongeia right? We could say that the hordes arrived on their quest to find Ostehaar. They could have arrived at anywhere between 12th and 13th century for that matter.

Does not have to be only getting attacked by or fighting against the hordes; although that is going to be the main focus. The main thing here is to develop your nation's medieval history from 10th to 14th Century.

[Kalorphi]

Ok, idea splurge.

A group lands on the southern shore of Kalorphi. Thats near the cities of Glenth and Brunqwef, two of the most strategic cities at that time. The horde could have landed and taken the city of Glenth, but still get pushed back. This could trigger Kalorphian rapid expansion into other parts of the Western Isles. This is probably the first time that Kalorphi has met people who are not Kalorphians in a few hundred years, so they'd panic and try to build up a buffer zone.

Or, the Horde makes a deal with the Lvenc Tribe, which gives them access to Iron Ore supplies in exchange for help in taking the island for themselves.

Either one I'm good.

[Athara Magarat]

Ok, idea splurge.

A group lands on the southern shore of Kalorphi. Thats near the cities of Glenth and Brunqwef, two of the most strategic cities at that time. The horde could have landed and taken the city of Glenth, but still get pushed back. This could trigger Kalorphian rapid expansion into other parts of the Western Isles. This is probably the first time that Kalorphi has met people who are not Kalorphians in a few hundred years, so they'd panic and try to build up a buffer zone.

Or, the Horde makes a deal with the Lvenc Tribe, which gives them access to Iron Ore supplies in exchange for help in taking the island for themselves.

Either one I'm good.

The deal sounds better. I am making the hordes as folks who first sent letters of demands and would attack if said nations refused to the terms of barbarians.

What else would you guys had at that time that would have been valuable to the hordes.

[Ostehaar]

Questions for AM:

1. Roughly speaking, when did the Khas-Kiratis reach north Gael?
2. When exactly did they land in Lovsk, and when did their repeated raids to Ostehaar occur?
3. When did they leave the area?
4. How many were they, and what equipment did they have? (horses, small boats, axes, wooden shields, fur clothes, etc.)

[Athara Magarat]

Questions for AM:

1. Roughly speaking, when did the Khas-Kiratis reach north Gael?
2. When exactly did they land in Lovsk, and when did their repeated raids to Ostehaar occur?
3. When did they leave the area?
4. How many were they, and what equipment did they have? (horses, small boats, axes, wooden shields, fur clothes, etc.)

The answers are:

1 - In the early 12th Century when the Hordes were at their peak and long distance expeditions (from South Mesder Sea to the other ends of TWI) could be funded. Let's say that Chemjong Hang sent a large force to the east and conquered what is now Bhikkustan and invasions were attempted in modern-day New Aapelistan as well during late 11th Century.From the local Herudis, Parsaev and Aprosians, the Khas-Kirats might have learned of a rich land in the north and set for Ostehaar.

2 - Is 1102 AD a feasible date? I was thinking that the lesser tribes stayed in Lovsk for a while (leaving some artifacts) but gradually the loss of their numbers, equipment and advantages against Osters and the fact that life was hard in Lovsk caused the tribes to leave the area around a decade later. Their raids could have taken place during this decade.

3 - They didn't At least they didn't leave Arvan where Kirat-Sunuwar tribe who came with their own tumen (10,000 soldiers) in the 13th Century to find Ostehaar but went to Arvan form a significant minority there. The Great Hangs after Chemjong Hang were busy with their own affairs and didn't send any other expedition to North Gael area except for the Kirat-Sunuwars.

4 - There were 10,000 men and women in the tumen of multiple lesser tribes that landed in Lovsk. Horses, yeah each man or woman had 4-5 horses. Recurved bows, siege weaponry, shields, fur clothes and big ships (small boats were used for invasion of Atnaia way back in 900-915 AD by the time Khas-Kiratis encountered Osters; the Yellow Dragon Empire had its vassal states like Domanania and modern-day Wellsia building large ships capable of carrying people, horses and heavy equipment like siege weapons).

[Kalorphi]

The deal sounds better. I am making the hordes as folks who first sent letters of demands and would attack if said nations refused to the terms of barbarians.

What else would you guys had at that time that would have been valuable to the hordes.

Well, the Heldrak Tribe has extensive precious metal mines, Dxawse Tribe has a large supply of timber and a large shipbuilding center, and the Gendlacs Tribe has grazing land and herds of cattle, sheep, and horses.

[Ostehaar]

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So to make sure I got you:

Early 12th Century (1101-1150) - Khas-Kirati tribes gradually reach Gael, mainly from the east (New Aapelistan, etc.), heading north.
Late 12th century (1051-1200) - Tribes reach north Gael coast (including the north-eastern portions of Ostehaar), and are repelled westwards and northwards, mainly to the mountains and to Lovsk. They have large ships and heavy weaponry.
Early 13th century (1201-1250) - Tribes attempt to hold Lovsk and continue raids against Ostehaar, specifically during the 1210's, but eventually leave the area due to continuous harsh conditions. Around the same time, the Kirat-Sunuwar tribe arrives at Arvan (mistakenly) and remain there.

[Athara Magarat]

So to make sure I got you:

Early 12th Century (1101-1150) - Khas-Kirati tribes gradually reach Gael, mainly from the east (New Aapelistan, etc.), heading north.
Late 12th century (1051-1200) - Tribes reach north Gael coast (including the north-eastern portions of Ostehaar), and are repelled westwards and northwards, mainly to the mountains and to Lovsk. They have large ships and heavy weaponry.
Early 13th century (1201-1250) - Tribes attempt to hold Lovsk and continue raids against Ostehaar, specifically during the 1210's, but eventually leave the area due to continuous harsh conditions. Around the same time, the Kirat-Sunuwar tribe arrives at Arvan (mistakenly) and remain there.

That's the point. Sorry if my sayings sounded jumbled:P

[Athara Magarat]

Okay, so here is the list of the Mahangs. This is for a reminder for me as well. Keep in mind that regents have been omitted since there were in fact not just one regent. The Kurultai (gathering of families and tribes; composed mostly of women since most men were in battlefield) used to elect the next Mahang in most cases and things like regents disappeared.

The most notable time when there was a succession crisis was when Srijunga Hang died and the Kurultai as a whole acted as regent for young Mahang Mabo (who has a unique naming since there was already some other dude named Mabo Hang) elected to fulfill Srijunga Hang the Conqueror's last wish. And in case of Angdemba and Chemjong Hangs, there was a civil war with Chemjong Hang's faction ultimately emerging victorious.

And Hangma means a female Hang. And also, this is the list of only the Great Hangs. There were many lesser Hangs with their own Hangates (or Khanates - the Bhikkustani word is Khangate which gets translated as Khanate in the West) here and there such as in modern-day Bhumidol and Bhikkustan respectively before and after the Khas-Kirat Empire was there.

1> Srijunga Hang (900-915) the (cross-dressing ) Conqueror who started it all.
2> Mahang Mabo (915-964) the Avenger who wished to fulfill his adopted father's legacy.
3> Thulung Hangma (964-1006) a legendary female ruler also known as Tara Hangma.
4> Gurung Hang (1006-1048) one of the few non Kirat-Limbus in this list.
5> Onim Hangma (1048-1094) the Great. Kirat-Limbu wife of Gurung Hang.
6> Angdemba Hang (1094-1098) there was a civil war between factions supporting him and Chemjong Hang; both adopted great-grandsons of Srijunga Hang through Mahang Mabo.
7> Chemjong Hang (1094-1132) the Legendary Reformer. Had a civil war with Angdemba Hang where he ultimately emerged victorious. He and Srijunga Hang are the most revered and remembered among the Great Hangs.
8> Kulung Hang (1132-1168) not much info on him except that he continued Chemjong Hang's expeditions and reforms.
9> Yengdem Hangma (1168-1208) another female ruler who outshone her competitors to become a Mahang.
10> Selling Hang (1208-1255) his name is a joke among most modern day history students.
11> Tubuk Hangma (1255-1291) yet another female ruler who solidified the Yellow Dragon Empire.
12> Unjumba Hang (1291-1341) a ruler forgotten by history due to being outshone his predecessor and successor.
13> Mahang Arum (1341-70) his naming is the same reason as Mahang Mabo. There was already another Arum Hang.
14> Kham Hang (1370-1381) the shortest ruling Mahang and another rare non Kirat-Limbu Mahang. His rule is best known for growing conflicts that ultimately fragmented the Khas-Kirat Empire. Misusing the weak ruler's name and authority, several lesser Kham rulers (most of the soldiers and civilians in the island were exclusively Kham and other ethnic groups were sent to faraway lands) started the division of the Khas-Kirati homeland which soon got the name Athara Magarat which literally means 18 Kham Magar Kingdoms.

[Kalorphi]

So to make sure I got you:

Early 12th Century (1101-1150) - Khas-Kirati tribes gradually reach Gael, mainly from the east (New Aapelistan, etc.), heading north.
Late 12th century (1051-1200) - Tribes reach north Gael coast (including the north-eastern portions of Ostehaar), and are repelled westwards and northwards, mainly to the mountains and to Lovsk. They have large ships and heavy weaponry.
Early 13th century (1201-1250) - Tribes attempt to hold Lovsk and continue raids against Ostehaar, specifically during the 1210's, but eventually leave the area due to continuous harsh conditions. Around the same time, the Kirat-Sunuwar tribe arrives at Arvan (mistakenly) and remain there.

It would be during the the early 13th century that Khas-Kirati would be launching attacks against the Kalorphians with the help of the Kalorphian Lvenc Tribe. Would you be opposed to our nations banding together at some point to repel them?

[Shanowinn]

Hmm, I don't really have anything in my history for this time period. Might be interesting to have an attempted expedition to Shanowinn at some point.

One potential motive could be that the Khas Kiratis hear about Owinn horses and want to take the land, and thus the horses and their breeding, for themselves. They send and invasion army. It doesn't seem like Shanowinn's culture or history otherwise really reflects Khas Kirati influence so perhaps the expedition goes wrong in one way or another. Like a storm destroys some of the army at sea, and the rest are blown off course, landing in the highlands instead of the lowlands where they'd want to be. The Owinnorse there in the highlands harass the invaders with raids. Or the invasion fleet does land in the lowlands, winning at first, but then is defeated by the Owinn Ahern.

How I wish that the Ridire heavy cavalry would've been around then...it'd be freaking epic (from my point of view lol) imagining these heavy knights breaking a siege like the Winged Hussars at Vienna in 1683 (they are partly inspired by the Winged Hussars). Not that something like that couldn't happen with other horsemen/earlier medieval knights of course lol. Just not as epic.

[Noronica]

Hello.

I was a bit reluctant to post here as my early history is very dodgy, having not knowing where I wanted to go with that. However, I am very interested in early history and would gladly take part in this now.

As the Nyssics are very heavily based off of the old Scots system, I imagine early Noronica to have a clan-based system with a heavy pagan culture. The clans would have held land around Noronica. The highest position of power would have been the 'Laerd' (pronounced 'layered') and they were effectively the monarch of Noronica. I have yet to fully develop this part of history, but I would love to develop this along the way.

[Ostehaar]

So to make sure I got you:

Early 12th Century (1101-1150) - Khas-Kirati tribes gradually reach Gael, mainly from the east (New Aapelistan, etc.), heading north.
Late 12th century (1051-1200) - Tribes reach north Gael coast (including the north-eastern portions of Ostehaar), and are repelled westwards and northwards, mainly to the mountains and to Lovsk. They have large ships and heavy weaponry.
Early 13th century (1201-1250) - Tribes attempt to hold Lovsk and continue raids against Ostehaar, specifically during the 1210's, but eventually leave the area due to continuous harsh conditions. Around the same time, the Kirat-Sunuwar tribe arrives at Arvan (mistakenly) and remain there.

It would be during the the early 13th century that Khas-Kirati would be launching attacks against the Kalorphians with the help of the Kalorphian Lvenc Tribe. Would you be opposed to our nations banding together at some point to repel them?

Ostehaar was not much of a "nation" back then - more like an alliance of several large cities with some warrior-groups as defense.

[Kalorphi]

Ostehaar was not much of a "nation" back then - more like an alliance of several large cities with some warrior-groups as defense.

Kalorphi is very similar. Just a grouping of tribes that had a lot of infighting, but could band together for defense when their nation was invaded.