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Postby The Macabees » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:11 am

That's fair enough.
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Postby EsToVnIa » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:13 am

Is there anything stopping us from making GATA extend to cover that stuff
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Postby The Macabees » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:11 am

Tbf, GATA was meant to minimize its influence on domestic policy, apart from requiring (a) that obstacles raised (tariffs, quotas, regulations) against orbital trade not be higher than the obstacles raised against traditional trade and (b) mutual defense of GATA routes by association members. It's meant to be less intrusive than other agreements.

GATA and DAC would work together, I think.
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Postby The Macabees » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:25 pm

With the rise of extreme fascism in GD and the ongoing conflicts revolving around its spread, how is this type of fascism treated in your country? Has it gained traction? What steps have your governments taken to curb its influence?
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Postby United World Order » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:37 pm

The Macabees wrote:With the rise of extreme fascism in GD and the ongoing conflicts revolving around its spread, how is this type of fascism treated in your country? Has it gained traction? What steps have your governments taken to curb its influence?


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Postby Jesheoda » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:13 pm

The Macabees wrote:With the rise of extreme fascism in GD and the ongoing conflicts revolving around its spread, how is this type of fascism treated in your country? Has it gained traction? What steps have your governments taken to curb its influence?


Our people have fought long and hard since the early 20th Century to remove, and then move beyond the final vestiges of the former 'Aristocratic Republic,' which ruled Jesheoda until 1994, from our lands. Though not a 'Fascist' movement in that it was a classical oligarchy, our people are innately wary of any group which claims that nationalism, and a powerful central leadership, especially one under one figure or one set of figures, will be the solution to the ills they face. We trust our localized, ground-level political structures, and we trust our regional leaders to accurately and empirically take their concerns into account. Likewise, it is understood that the price for our liberty is vigilance, as our federation is little over twenty years old.

The Federal Government of Jesheoda, though only recently beginning to come into its own in regards to regional trade, wish to extend our principles of dynamicism and grassroots economics to the free people of the world, in hopes that our investments in them will dissuade them from falling to the false promises of nationalistic populism.
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Postby Mokastana » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:55 pm

The Macabees wrote:With the rise of extreme fascism in GD and the ongoing conflicts revolving around its spread, how is this type of fascism treated in your country? Has it gained traction? What steps have your governments taken to curb its influence?


Hehehe... how do we respond to Fascism in the PUF.... Hahaha..... Hahaha.....

I mean, we have Military Junta political parties, and small nationalist parties.

Nazism isn't technically illegal, but anyone who identifies as such might be "questioned" by authorities, or "brought in as part of an investigation". Many of these minority party members have been hospitalized for "slipping on ice" lately.
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Postby Zigdem » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:24 pm

The Macabees wrote:With the rise of extreme fascism in GD and the ongoing conflicts revolving around its spread, how is this type of fascism treated in your country? Has it gained traction? What steps have your governments taken to curb its influence?


Zigdem is not a fascist Nation despite we have been called like that before. Mostly because of our semi-Dictatorship in combination with excessive Capitalism. But Fascism isn't the ideology of Zigdem and nor is the State totalitarian.

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Postby Haishan » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:26 pm

The Macabees wrote:Tbf, GATA was meant to minimize its influence on domestic policy, apart from requiring (a) that obstacles raised (tariffs, quotas, regulations) against orbital trade not be higher than the obstacles raised against traditional trade and (b) mutual defense of GATA routes by association members. It's meant to be less intrusive than other agreements.

GATA and DAC would work together, I think.


I ought to question on why DAC is needed as Haishan sees it as a compliance-based organization. The Junta, in a way do not favour organization that pushes certain level of homogeneity (extensive rules compliance) to all of its signatories as it is seen as infringing upon sovereignty of the State. GATA is seen as a better compromise as it works on mutual cooperation while DAC is seen as obviously not, with its rules or laws being equally applied whether the signatories wanted it or not. The root of problem here is that the Junta worried that organization such as DAC will be prone to power (either legislative, influence et al) concentration or corruption that will undeniably leave some signatories on the losing side for the benefit of few.

In simpler words, the Junta sees the idea of DAC as organization that gives a compromise that put signatories on net loss regardless of conventions and agreement signed due to its nature of equal compliance while GATA is seen in favourable light to offer signatories some appreciable freedom to dictate terms as necessary. The same underlying reason also drove Haishan away from Commonwealth Colonial Authority considering the Junta perceived that it would have to let go quite a number of liberties and freedom in order to comply to said organization. TLDR, Haishan prefers mutual agreement or cooperation and not compliance pacts.
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Postby Greater Themis » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:44 am

Fascism in Themis is really embodied by the 'New Dawn' party, which holds a scant few scattered seats in prefectural, regional and national government. The party views many of the changes made since the overthrow of the monarchy in the 18th century as not in keeping with what it considers 'Themisi Principles', embodied somewhat in the traditional beliefs and laws of the country. As such, it feels that a 'New Dawn' is necessary in politics, with:
> Reduction of bureaucracy by dissolving the senate, allowing regional government to gain a greater say in politics, and reducing the time taken to debate and pass laws.
> Extension of the powers of the President and the Cabinet.

The policies held by the New Dawn party are somewhat conservative, with core policies being:
> Elimination of Crime through greater funding of the Police, harsher custodial sentences inclusive of mandatory labour, and re-introduction of the death penalty.
> Expansion of the military by reforming the Republican Guard as a full-time standing armed force.
> Expansion of charges for all non-citizens who use the Themisi Health Service, to include primary healthcare, emergency healthcare and public health costs. Introduction of fines for those inappropriately accessing emergency care.
> Aggressive expansion of trade deals, to include renegotiation of deals deemed non-beneficial to the Themisi state.
> Governors in colonies to be appointed solely from within the Military; colonies to receive funding only for military and policing, to encourage revenue production.
> Reduction in unnecessary standards and bureaucracy, to encourage business. Lowering of corporation taxes.
> Mandatory teaching of Themisi History, and expansion of militia training to secondary education.

Whether it will gain traction is yet to be seen, with the next elections a distance away. That being said, there is somewhat a political revival of 'traditionalist' values, with a number of politicians against the current government's more liberal and socialist approaches to welfare claimants, and rumours that they may upset the status quo. In terms of extreme ideologies, the National Police and Counter-Extremism Office both monitor fringe extreme groups, with the ability to proscribe groups, thus stopping funding, criminalising membership and allowing the police to dismantle the groups. This only applies to groups espousing, planning or using violence to achieve their aims.

In the mean time, the security services and police continue to monitor against the threat of foreign subversion of political parties and government, through various means.

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Postby Morrdh » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:50 am

The Macabees wrote:With the rise of extreme fascism in GD and the ongoing conflicts revolving around its spread, how is this type of fascism treated in your country? Has it gained traction? What steps have your governments taken to curb its influence?


Whilst the Commonwealth is left leaning fascism is still legal and there are a handful of fascist parties, but none of them have gotten even remotely close to getting a candidate into parliament. Though these parties have come under increased monitoring by Commonwealth Intelligence since the beginning of the conflict in Kashubia.
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Postby Holy Marsh » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:31 pm

Fascism, like other political philosophies, have made little headway in even the most intellectual of Marshite cities. Few adherents and even those are biased towards a Marshite view of the ideology and view foreign, less Marshite, versions inferior. The nation as a whole is critically apolitical in terms of ideology.

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Postby Quirina » Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:40 am

With the rise of Mussolini, it was the disaffection of the imperial household and the republican government of the Quirinosphere that closed its doors to any foreign ideology or philosophy to take place, seeing that these are genres of authoritarian and oppressive attempts to consolidate power and destabilize the Imperial Republican government. It was the witness as to why during the Second World War, when both Communism and Fascism were on their climaxes, that the Quirinese stood against both of them by publicly executing known supporters who were mobbed by the commonfolk. Even today, Quirina is considered as a fascist state in the eyes of her enemies.
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Patrick OConner
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Postby Patrick OConner » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:18 pm

A little something I am working on with some of the people in the region. I would really like if you all checked it out.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=403293&p=31177691&sid=389328551fc6de3561b68c0985b70800#p31177691
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Morrdh
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Postby Morrdh » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:29 am

Any chance of this being added to the RP list please?

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Postby The Macabees » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:55 am

Morrdh wrote:Any chance of this being added to the RP list please?

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=403360


Added. :)
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Postby EsToVnIa » Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:38 am

So since Estovnia/Estland proper is in GD now, I find myself in the same boat as Morrdh was in regarding an unwed monarch. The current Estlandic Empress, Anastasia IV, ascended the throne in 2013 and has ICly been the ruling Sovereign for the last 14 years. The marriage will probably be retroactive since having an unwed 35-year-old is a bit silly for nation's that care about the royal bloodline.
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Postby Holy Marsh » Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:10 pm

I am guessing a suitor RP is coming?

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Postby EsToVnIa » Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:32 pm

No, suitor RPs are hilariously boring to do so that was rly an open invitation for anybody with nobility that would be interested.
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Postby Welskerland » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:49 pm

Now that I am part of this region, I would like to present an RP I'm working on and I hope to gather enough interest for it.
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Postby Morrdh » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:14 am

RE: Tiniversary

In the interest of moving things along lets get the arrival done, anyone else interested in joining just cover your response to the invite and arrival in Morrdun.
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Postby Imbrinium » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:04 pm

Morrdh wrote:RE: Tiniversary

In the interest of moving things along lets get the arrival done, anyone else interested in joining just cover your response to the invite and arrival in Morrdun.



Thats cool just know the king will have something of important to show and give the queen
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Postby Morrdh » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:53 pm

Imbrinium wrote:
Morrdh wrote:RE: Tiniversary

In the interest of moving things along lets get the arrival done, anyone else interested in joining just cover your response to the invite and arrival in Morrdun.



Thats cool just know the king will have something of important to show and give the queen


Roger that.

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Postby Patrick OConner » Mon May 29, 2017 12:44 pm

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Postby Castille de Italia » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:02 pm

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This is pretty cool.
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