Furthermore, I am of the opinion [OOC- CLOSED!]

[Republic of Vectors]

People get to choose whom they roleplay with, and no one can be forced to roleplay with someone they don't want to roleplay with. That is sacrosanct. If someone leaves the RP and no longer wishes for their nation to be associated with it, respect that wish; develop an NPC if required to fill the spot. For more information, see our rules regarding copyright and harassment.
— Kyrusia

I asked a mod about Teks absence, this was the reply. So lets make up a new nation. Something like Tekeristone?

[Opplandia]

I second that proposal, let's make sure this doesnt die like that.

[Flauc]

I will talk to Tekeristan perhaps tomorrow, but if he is really not wanting to RP, then I am willing to fill the spot of the NPC, but I might have some concerns. I am not sure.

I don't think Tekeristone or something that points to Tekeristan is a very good idea. Does this mean we're taking out the events that happened before the invasion canon for Tekeristan if he doesn't wanna get invaded?

It is the choice of Tekeristan. Then again it is your choice if you want to RP with him.

Then again, we can cancel the RP and make up a reason why the invasion didn't happen or something else.

[Watersville]

I will talk to Tekeristan perhaps tomorrow, but if he is really not wanting to RP, then I am willing to fill the spot of the NPC, but I might have some concerns. I am not sure.

I don't think Tekeristone or something that points to Tekeristan is a very good idea. Does this mean we're taking out the events that happened before the invasion canon for Tekeristan if he doesn't wanna get invaded?

It is the choice of Tekeristan. Then again it is your choice if you want to RP with him.

Then again, we can cancel the RP and make up a reason why the invasion didn't happen or something else.

I agree. I don't think that substituting "Tekeristone" for "Tekeristan" will be enough. We should probably use something fairly different from the original name. In terms of the events that are leading up to this RP, I do not see how we can really change them... What does everyone else think?

[Flauc]

I will talk to Tekeristan perhaps tomorrow, but if he is really not wanting to RP, then I am willing to fill the spot of the NPC, but I might have some concerns. I am not sure.

I don't think Tekeristone or something that points to Tekeristan is a very good idea. Does this mean we're taking out the events that happened before the invasion canon for Tekeristan if he doesn't wanna get invaded?

It is the choice of Tekeristan. Then again it is your choice if you want to RP with him.

Then again, we can cancel the RP and make up a reason why the invasion didn't happen or something else.

I agree. I don't think that substituting "Tekeristone" for "Tekeristan" will be enough. We should probably use something fairly different from the original name. In terms of the events that are leading up to this RP, I do not see how we can really change them... What does everyone else think?

If Tekeristan is removing Oehition, investigations etc as canon, we can "give"that canon to the NPC.

[Tekeristan]

I'd prefer my likeness and works to be left alone. I'd also prefer my right of creative sovereignty to be abide by.

[Doom Legions]

Well, seems pretty much the entire thing will have to be rewritten then, oh boy.

[Opplandia]

pfft, what a waste. only because one didnt know what he was getting himself into.

[Flauc]

pfft, what a waste. only because one didnt know what he was getting himself into.

Both sides have legitimate arguments. Let's just move on.

So, it's everyone OK with me being the NPC?

Shall we make a new thread, perhaps get a map, outline what happened and maybe tell people to make applications? Then I or someone else can point out if they don't like something such as "100 frigates" or so.

[Doom Legions]

Probably a good idea to see what Cardulan has to say about all this first, since they're the host and all that.

[Tekeristan]

pfft, what a waste. only because one didnt know what he was getting himself into.

It is beyond well such, Opplandia.
It isn't the military considerations. Fairness, however, as well as no god moding, is highly preferable.
It's the OOC considerations. Respect, for example. This is what broke the bank.

pfft, what a waste. only because one didnt know what he was getting himself into.

Shall we make a new thread, perhaps get a map, outline what happened and maybe tell people to make applications? Then I or someone else can point out if they don't like something such as "100 frigates" or so.

A new thread would be preferable.

[Opplandia]

pfft, what a waste. only because one didnt know what he was getting himself into.

Both sides have legitimate arguments. Let's just move on.

So, it's everyone OK with me being the NPC?

Shall we make a new thread, perhaps get a map, outline what happened and maybe tell people to make applications? Then I or someone else can point out if they don't like something such as "100 frigates" or so.

Well, I think you have one or the other point there Flauc. Guess it would be a good idea to make a new IC and outline whats acceptable.

[Cardulan]

We will get a map and such in a short while. I am working on an NPC solution. Tkrstn or whatever it will be called will soon arrive. No one is forced to participate in this RP, that's just impossible. But the rules apply to all those who have singed up for this. The war against will be canon for all those who entered it. That's why we has put up these rules in the fist place. Undoing what happened is not possible - it simply isn't as a lot of our nations' history and our characters are based upon that. It is going to be somewhat difficult but we will solve this in time. The RP might be a bit shorter than anticipated but it will continue anyway.

The problem with the current RP is that it is based on several others. The events there have led to what we have now. Several players have already pointed out that attacking a multinational alliance and starting the conflict by taking hostages is something their leaders would not do. That's why it is not that easy to replace the theater of war.

I'm currently cleaning up this mess. Now I do officially put the RP on hold. It will continue in a short while.

[Opplandia]

Alright then Cardulan, we'll wait for you. just remember to state beforehand 'realism' or 'Nation States realism', alright?

[Cardulan]

I would prefer "Cinematic Realism" if that's all right. Don't be overly unrealistic but as long as it promotes a nice story you can add a bit of flavour to your actions. All problems have been solved, the RP can continue. More updates follow.

[Opplandia]

I would prefer "Cinematic Realism" if that's all right. Don't be overly unrealistic but as long as it promotes a nice story you can add a bit of flavour to your actions. All problems have been solved, the RP can continue. More updates follow.

That means finding a middleground between stuff like a 10-ship CSG and a 500-ship Battlefleet; gotcha. Fits pretty well with my patented 90-ship Battlegroup

[Doom Legions]

I would prefer "Cinematic Realism" if that's all right. Don't be overly unrealistic but as long as it promotes a nice story you can add a bit of flavour to your actions. All problems have been solved, the RP can continue. More updates follow.

That was fast.

[Cardulan]

Yeah, fast indeed. Thank you. In one regard we are all on the same side.

Yes, that's all right, the middle ground works fine.

Now some final words on the debate. Tekeristan left this thread for good. He will no longer participate IC and he will not be concerned about the OOC any longer. If you have anything left to say - like bidding him goodbye - you need to TG him. The role of Tekeristan will soon be taken by someone else. There are a few candidates.

[Opplandia]

yeah well, not much sense continuing until we know that new adversary, as well as the relative position. it´s pointless to go 'my forces moved here and here', just to figure youre on the whole wrong end of the fricken planet.

[Cardulan]

yeah well, not much sense continuing until we know that new adversary, as well as the relative position. it´s pointless to go 'my forces moved here and here', just to figure youre on the whole wrong end of the fricken planet.

Well, I agree. The new adversary will soon appear in the ring.

[Balagan]

Great. I wait.

[Nahradka]

I would like to introduce the nation of Nahradka as a replacement.

Nahradka's history:

Pre-revolution (About 100 or so years ago)

Nahradka was a mostly agrarian society with industrialized centers in its cities. It was a semi-feudal nation with an emerging middle class of tradesmen and artisans. Following a failed liberal uprising, the royal family clamped down hard on dissent and the guilds - effectively neutering the political leverage that the growing class of artisans and proto-capitalists possessed. It continued in this vein until the May Uprising which saw a socialist revolution sweep across the country after several years of stagnating wages and rising cost of food and rent.

The revolutionary age

The proto-revolutionary government inherited a nation with significant internal and external problems. International observers were hesitantly praising the steps the new government had taken towards developing a more stable nation, however it was not to last. Whether it was due to an increasingly authoritarian central party which took on greater powers, increasing threats of invasion or its steps backwards in removing the power of the newly formed workers' councils in favour of the central party - the nation's path to a socialist nation faltered. By the time of the Oehiton crisis, very few socialist states considered it to be a socialist nation - though the majority supported it to some degree due to its strategic value and high agricultural exports.

The Oehiton Crisis

During the Oehiton Crisis, Nahradka managed to isolate itself further from its previous allies by supporting death squads in Northern Oehiton and invading large areas of the south of the country, destabilizing the balance of power in the region. Whilst Nahradka's armed forces made rapid progress in capturing the south, it was a short lived victory. Faced by enemies on all fronts, the beleaguered Nahradka forces retreated, leaving behind many of their own soldiers.

Popular opinion in Nahradka blamed the lackluster response of their so-called allies, claiming that promises of military aid had been broken. Many in the nation rejected either openly or in secret the notion that Nahradka was to blame for the crisis - claiming that their nation had been used as a scapegoat.

The peaceful revolution

The massive losses of the Oehtion conflict, coupled with economic calamities across the globe, triggered the collapse of the Nahradka ruling central party. While many have suspected foreign interference within the political workings of the nation, this has yet to be conclusively proven. What is known is that almost overnight the regime collapsed, to be replaced with one that promised (and delivered) democratic elections and greater economic freedoms.

The new government inherited many problems once again. The sudden transition from a state-run capitalist state to a more free market based economy sent shockwaves throughout the nation. The government cut back welfare spending and removed the previous regime's promises of a job and a home for all. An initial boom in the economy fueled by the auctioning of previously nationalized resources and properties petered out, leaving the overall standard of living trailing far behind those of its neighbors.

The government took to blaming many of the nation's ills on the reparations demanded following the Oehiton conflict and the press followed suit.

The dissolution of the government

The rise of a right-wing populist in the guise of Josep Cazcau did not come as a surprise to many. He ran on a platform of stronger military deterrents coupled with a promise to ensure that those who wanted work would have it. His campaign promised the people a restored Nahradka, food and jobs. It worked closely with corporate interests to ensure the removal of many restrictive environmental protection laws and labour laws that the previous regime had bought in.

Cazcau's election victory saw sweeping changes. He expelled investigators into Oehitonian Historical War Crimes, cancelled reparations and closed several existing ties with other nations. Following his attempted assassination at the hands of a young man of Balagani descent, as well as a car bomb yards from the main parliamentary building linked to a radical Caracasusian group, Cazcau was able to bring in sweeping laws that further cemented his position and power, becoming increasingly autocratic.

Businesses of foreign nationals were nationalized and sold off to Nahradkan citizens, powers of arrest and surveillance were increased and new laws documenting the whereabouts, business concerns and criminal records of nationals from a list of "enemy countries" were published.

As an additional note, following the last RP: Nahradka is not a nice place. I am RP'ing this state as an ultranationalist, authoritarian dictatorship and they're going to do some rather unpleasant things. Please don't TG me OOC congratulating me for "doing the right thing" or whatever, I don't want to know. If you find yourself actually agreeing with the way Nahradka conducts itself, I suggest you get your fucking head looked at.

[Flauc]

I would like to introduce the nation of Nahradka as a replacement.

So, I won't be the NPC?

By the way, why are we "demonizing" the NPC?

[Caracasus]

I would like to introduce the nation of Nahradka as a replacement.

So, I won't be the NPC?

By the way, why are we "demonizing" the NPC?

Alright Flauc?

Nah, I can give you the password to the new nation if you want. I'm sure I could do with a hand in some of it. Scratch that, a lot of it. Orbats etc. and fighting in general.

The last bit at the end was following on from something that happened in the last RP.... I don't want TG's telling me how awesome I am for kicking out the (insert ethnic/religious group here).

[Caracasus]

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