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The San Javier Conflict (OOC | TWI ONLY)

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Postby Taziristan » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:47 am

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Taziristan wrote:Atnaia, does my character sound ok to you?

I don't see any mention of a character...

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Ahhh. I'll be supporting a Fascist Paramilitary Group.

Fascist might be a strong word for them...more like right wing libertarian , at least for most of the ground soldiers, although I'd be happy to make one of the paramilitary groups more fascist-aligned...

I was just talking about the guy who would be attempting to unite them with what little backing he has left, creating a coalition against your forces.
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Postby Helvetea » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:50 am

Atnaia wrote:
Taziristan wrote:Atnaia, does my character sound ok to you?

I don't see any mention of a character...

Helvetea wrote:

Ahhh. I'll be supporting a Fascist Paramilitary Group.

Fascist might be a strong word for them...more like right wing libertarian , at least for most of the ground soldiers, although I'd be happy to make one of the paramilitary groups more fascist-aligned...


I'm thinking full on xenophobic right wingers who distrust the Helveteans.

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Postby Ostehaar » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:59 am

Tag. + I'll write some OOC background for my part later today. I'd like to eventually make my involvement here in the form of guerrilla combat.

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Postby Corindia » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:33 am

I'd like to support the communists or the Azul Naturaleza cartel if the communists get too popular. Our goal is more to keep anyone else from taking control of San Javier than to establish it as our own puppet, and I'd like to focus on mixed units of Corindi soldiers and native troops conducting tunnel warfare/guerilla attacks reminiscient of the Vietnam War. At the end, if victorious I'd like a fall of Saigon style final push, but in the more likely case we fail, I think a final, Bay of Pigs-like assault by refugees from San Javier and Corindi soldiers would be an appropriate way to end it. After that, Corindi public opinion would be so against the war we'd fully withdraw, ending our role.

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Postby Keomora » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:30 am

At the moment we are neutral in whom to support.
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Postby The Grand Force » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:45 am

I might support the ''rightful'' government or I might not be a part of this anyway.
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Postby Island of Sceapige » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:08 am

I'd like my nation to be a part of this 'Proxy War'

After a less than profitable year for the Hrothgar Brothers Aviation Company, (HBAC), an opportunity is seen in this conflict to develop the companies Unmanned Aerial Vehicle capabilities primarily with Research and Development of a number of models. We will be looking to back right wing paramilitaries to show that our vehicles take very little maintenance and training to operate.

Alongside having a Forward HBAC Development Facility the Island of Sceapige will also be deploying a Company Combat Force (See military factbook). The Rifle company and support personnel will be providing help and security to HBAC employees and building a secure Forward Operating Base The attached Marine Ranger Platoon will be working closely with right-wing paramilitaries, providing them with; Close Quarters Aircraft Control, Instruction and Training on weapons and small unit tactics and How to work on the ground i co-operation with UAV assets.

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Postby Taziristan » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:49 am

Anliana Cartel

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Javieran Anti-Revolutionary Forces
for the People's Defense, or FJARDP
(Fuerzas Javieran anti-revolucionarios
para la Defensa del Pueblo)

The National Alliance for the Defense
of San Javier, or ANDSJ
(La Alianza Nacional para la Defensa
de San Javier)

I want to try and unite these five factions as these would have been my primary targets of aid in the last few years. Using a single character, I'd like to try and unite these and the people supporting them into a major faction.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:16 am

It can go two way for AM.

Publicly the Hang will remain neutral and recognizing the current government and even supplying peacekeepers to Atnaian force in San Javier if asked.

The second is for the National Assembly (who are always at odds with the Hang) to have AMI (Athara Magarati Intelligence) use its network of terror groups to come in contact with and support the communists (so that there is no trace of Athara Magarati involvement). AMI's biggest nightmares are Atnaia and Covonant (yes, THAT Covonant), in fact two of the nations common Athara Magaratis feel close to. AMI has studied what has happened to Merrit (and we have tons of Merritian folks who didn't want to part of Atnaia), what is happening in Taziristan and what will happen in San Javier and might happen in Athara Magarat (a hypothesis for them). I mean their northern neighbor is basically expanding its territory and influence while the government of AM is losing its place in the global politics and becoming a soft pacifist state (on the outside at least).

AMI know very well that the Hegemony considers AM to be part of its sphere of influence and they fear that after San Javier, AM may be the next on the list (I know, I know you don't have any such plans).

So AMI will basically send anti-Atnaian forces, Merritian militias (gotta name them), Dragon Faction (contain at least a quarter Keomoran Akari members who have always been skeptical of Atnaia), Talvaar al-Islamiya (the Sunni Muslims who might hate Shiite Taziris in general but STILL hate Atnaia for invading a holy Muslim nation), a bunch of SOAR cells operating from AM, etc and a host of other terror groups to provide support. I will be rping as an AMI operative, a leader of these forces. Since these guys are all major anti-Atnaians, there will be no proof that AM is involved.

Don't be surprised but I am just one of the many socialist nations who have agreed to the San Javier business in secret.
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Postby Keomora » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:25 am

Athara Magarat wrote:It can go two way for AM.

Publicly the Hang will remain neutral and recognizing the current government and even supplying peacekeepers to Atnaian force in San Javier if asked.

The second is for the National Assembly (who are always at odds with the Hang) to have AMI (Athara Magarati Intelligence) use its network of terror groups to come in contact with and support the communists (so that there is no trace of Athara Magarati involvement). AMI's biggest nightmares are Atnaia and Covonant (yes, THAT Covonant), in fact two of the nations common Athara Magaratis feel close to. AMI has studied what has happened to Merrit (and we have tons of Merritian folks who didn't want to part of Atnaia), what is happening in Taziristan and what will happen in San Javier and might happen in Athara Magarat (a hypothesis for them). I mean their northern neighbor is basically expanding its territory and influence while the government of AM is losing its place in the global politics and becoming a soft pacifist state (on the outside at least).

AMI know very well that the Hegemony considers AM to be part of its sphere of influence and they fear that after San Javier, AM may be the next on the list (I know, I know you don't have any such plans).

So AMI will basically send anti-Atnaian forces, Merritian militias (gotta name them), Dragon Faction (contain at least a quarter Keomoran Akari members who have always been skeptical of Atnaia), Talvaar al-Islamiya (the Sunni Muslims who might hate Shiite Taziris in general but STILL hate Atnaia for invading a holy Muslim nation), a bunch of SOAR cells operating from AM, etc and a host of other terror groups to provide support. I will be rping as an AMI operative, a leader of these forces. Since these guys are all major anti-Atnaians, there will be no proof that AM is involved.

Don't be surprised but I am just one of the many socialist nations who have agreed to the San Javier business in secret.

Not afraid of me? Yes I am no longer scary...
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Postby Covonant » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:18 am

I am interested in this RP, well have been for a few days now. I see Covonant supporting the drug cartels, San Javier might prove beneficial with its drug industry. I see like a USA/Afghanistan type of relation. However I am interested, the government will not come out and say we are backing the drug cartels though, we will find other reasons to get ourselves involved in the beginning overtime our true intentions should be realised. I want to see that transition flow though, I don't want it to be abrupt or random.
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Postby Ostehaar » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:42 pm

So This is how I want to get involved:

  • I am already involved. Fearing a communist takeover of the island, my government has been supporting the paramilitaries and the Anliana drug cartel on-and-off for over 3 decades, by selling cheap arms, arranging the delivery of advanced weaponry (anti-tank, etc.), and establishing front companies for money laundering and making. Details about my past involvement (as it appears in the initial TG I sent Atnaia about it) are below.
  • The Oster goal: To prevent the communist militias from taking over, without being exposed. My government decided that the central government is (1) not stable enough, (2) not trustworthy enough, and (3) isn't a good choice if the idea is to keep the involvement clandestine - so it chose to support the paramilitaries and the biggest cartel instead. We hoped to eradicate the communist militias quickly, but we ended up supporting one side of a multi-side war that has been going downhill ever since.
  • OOC goals for the RP: As always, I'm going to start with what I know best (and what my nation does best), and that's running secret ongoing operations using few special operatives and a few local informants. However, further into the RP I'm going to (finally) get a little bit away from my comfort zone (perhaps after a major failure of a mission), and get involved with special forces on the ground against the militias, training and doing missions with the paramilitaries or the cartel. I want to RP "huge" guerrilla battles taking place in the mountains, in forests, and in cities, between the factions I support and the others. I want to experience major difficulties and risk my people as much as possible. I may want my activity on SJ to get exposed in the international media.
  • Where do you come in: Obviously, I want to damage the New Aapelistanian and Corindian operations as much as I can. I've never RPed with Covonant before, and I have no prior relations with him, so Covonant - if you want, we can work towards a situation that's puts us as enemies.



Details and background about the Oster part:

The 70's and 80's (mainly late 70's until the early 90's) were years of "experimentation" for the Oster government. The secret chemical weapons (and later nuclear weapons) projects began during those years, as well as the Oster jet fighter project, the assault against Xrevaro occurred, and many more funny business took place. The Oster government wasn't afraid to deal with hostile governments behind the curtains, if only it would mean pushing Ostehaar's special interests forward. The escalation of the SJ conflict into the 1980's was perfectly synchronized with this. It was the perfect opportunity to start gaining influence in the central Argus area and in the outskirts of the Kavju Sea, and to secure an operational base for possible future plans. So naturally, the Oster government was eager to "get a piece of the action".

In 1981 the Oster government, through San Javierans operated by OVAST agents, established two front companies - Corporativo Mineria Pegaso (CMP) and Oro Seguros Impecable (OSI) - and purchased lands, real estate, and vehicles, and opened bank accounts. The initial funds were from the Oster government, but any further purchases and expansions were funded by the the companies themselves, which earned black money through human and drug trafficking (CMP) and money laundering (OSI). The purpose of these businesses was to eventually fund and conceal an OVAST operation to train and equip anti-communist paramilitaries and drug cartels.

By 1990, literally dozens of OVAST agents and San Javierans working for them, operated in SJ. They delivered tons of supplies and ammunition to FJARDP, ANDSJ, and the Anliana Cartel every month, and trained them. The work slowed down a bit since the early 1990's, but it's still ongoing. Few and sporadic pieces of information and rumors about this operation exist (capable intelligence services across the region knew more, of course). In 1997, Luis Manuel Moreno, a San Javieran resident who claimed to be an informant for the Osters, testified on the alleged Oster operations in the island and expressed his intention to publish a book about it. Moreno was found dead in his car several months later, presumably after committing suicide ("The Moreno Incident").

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Postby Corindia » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:53 pm

After seeing who's supporting whom, I think I might lean more towards supporting some of the cartels over the communists. Corindia has no stake in the communist cause and would only have helped them to throw a wrench in the Presidential Republic and the Paramilitaries' plans, but now it looks like the actual communist nations are going to intervene, and Corindia doesn't really back them either.

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Postby Atnaia » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:11 pm

Island of Sceapige wrote:I'd like my nation to be a part of this 'Proxy War'

After a less than profitable year for the Hrothgar Brothers Aviation Company, (HBAC), an opportunity is seen in this conflict to develop the companies Unmanned Aerial Vehicle capabilities primarily with Research and Development of a number of models. We will be looking to back right wing paramilitaries to show that our vehicles take very little maintenance and training to operate.

Alongside having a Forward HBAC Development Facility the Island of Sceapige will also be deploying a Company Combat Force (See military factbook). The Rifle company and support personnel will be providing help and security to HBAC employees and building a secure Forward Operating Base The attached Marine Ranger Platoon will be working closely with right-wing paramilitaries, providing them with; Close Quarters Aircraft Control, Instruction and Training on weapons and small unit tactics and How to work on the ground i co-operation with UAV assets.

I like this idea a lot. My only tweak would be to note that the paramilitary groups have been involved in constant asymmetrical warfare for 40 years. They're well aware of how to use weapons and small unit tactics, it would be their forte. Everything else is great and super interesting.

Taziristan wrote:Anliana Cartel

Azul Naturaleza

Los Tojos

La Sangre Amapola

Javieran Anti-Revolutionary Forces
for the People's Defense, or FJARDP
(Fuerzas Javieran anti-revolucionarios
para la Defensa del Pueblo)

The National Alliance for the Defense
of San Javier, or ANDSJ
(La Alianza Nacional para la Defensa
de San Javier)

I want to try and unite these five factions as these would have been my primary targets of aid in the last few years. Using a single character, I'd like to try and unite these and the people supporting them into a major faction.

That's going to be more than a bit of an uphill battle. The first 4 are drug cartels, the last two are right-wing paramilitarios. The first four are benefiting from the chaos, the last two have every reason to hate the "criminal scum" of the cartels.

Athara Magarat wrote:It can go two way for AM.

Publicly the Hang will remain neutral and recognizing the current government and even supplying peacekeepers to Atnaian force in San Javier if asked.

The second is for the National Assembly (who are always at odds with the Hang) to have AMI (Athara Magarati Intelligence) use its network of terror groups to come in contact with and support the communists (so that there is no trace of Athara Magarati involvement). AMI's biggest nightmares are Atnaia and Covonant (yes, THAT Covonant), in fact two of the nations common Athara Magaratis feel close to. AMI has studied what has happened to Merrit (and we have tons of Merritian folks who didn't want to part of Atnaia), what is happening in Taziristan and what will happen in San Javier and might happen in Athara Magarat (a hypothesis for them). I mean their northern neighbor is basically expanding its territory and influence while the government of AM is losing its place in the global politics and becoming a soft pacifist state (on the outside at least).

AMI know very well that the Hegemony considers AM to be part of its sphere of influence and they fear that after San Javier, AM may be the next on the list (I know, I know you don't have any such plans).

So AMI will basically send anti-Atnaian forces, Merritian militias (gotta name them), Dragon Faction (contain at least a quarter Keomoran Akari members who have always been skeptical of Atnaia), Talvaar al-Islamiya (the Sunni Muslims who might hate Shiite Taziris in general but STILL hate Atnaia for invading a holy Muslim nation), a bunch of SOAR cells operating from AM, etc and a host of other terror groups to provide support. I will be rping as an AMI operative, a leader of these forces. Since these guys are all major anti-Atnaians, there will be no proof that AM is involved.

Don't be surprised but I am just one of the many socialist nations who have agreed to the San Javier business in secret.

Super neat idea, I really like this one too. It also brings up some interesting concepts for some future RPs. I was actually planning on asking you about AM regarding the Grand Atnaian Imperial Republic idea, so maybe we can work towards or against that idea.
Ostehaar wrote:So This is how I want to get involved:

  • I am already involved. Fearing a communist takeover of the island, my government has been supporting the paramilitaries and the Anliana drug cartel on-and-off for over 3 decades, by selling cheap arms, arranging the delivery of advanced weaponry (anti-tank, etc.), and establishing front companies for money laundering and making. Details about my past involvement (as it appears in the initial TG I sent Atnaia about it) are below.
  • The Oster goal: To prevent the communist militias from taking over, without being exposed. My government decided that the central government is (1) not stable enough, (2) not trustworthy enough, and (3) isn't a good choice if the idea is to keep the involvement clandestine - so it chose to support the paramilitaries and the biggest cartel instead. We hoped to eradicate the communist militias quickly, but we ended up supporting one side of a multi-side war that has been going downhill ever since.
  • OOC goals for the RP: As always, I'm going to start with what I know best (and what my nation does best), and that's running secret ongoing operations using few special operatives and a few local informants. However, further into the RP I'm going to (finally) get a little bit away from my comfort zone (perhaps after a major failure of a mission), and get involved with special forces on the ground against the militias, training and doing missions with the paramilitaries or the cartel. I want to RP "huge" guerrilla battles taking place in the mountains, in forests, and in cities, between the factions I support and the others. I want to experience major difficulties and risk my people as much as possible. I may want my activity on SJ to get exposed in the international media.
  • Where do you come in: Obviously, I want to damage the New Aapelistanian and Corindian operations as much as I can. I've never RPed with Covonant before, and I have no prior relations with him, so Covonant - if you want, we can work towards a situation that's puts us as enemies.



Details and background about the Oster part:

The 70's and 80's (mainly late 70's until the early 90's) were years of "experimentation" for the Oster government. The secret chemical weapons (and later nuclear weapons) projects began during those years, as well as the Oster jet fighter project, the assault against Xrevaro occurred, and many more funny business took place. The Oster government wasn't afraid to deal with hostile governments behind the curtains, if only it would mean pushing Ostehaar's special interests forward. The escalation of the SJ conflict into the 1980's was perfectly synchronized with this. It was the perfect opportunity to start gaining influence in the central Argus area and in the outskirts of the Kavju Sea, and to secure an operational base for possible future plans. So naturally, the Oster government was eager to "get a piece of the action".

In 1981 the Oster government, through San Javierans operated by OVAST agents, established two front companies - Corporativo Mineria Pegaso (CMP) and Oro Seguros Impecable (OSI) - and purchased lands, real estate, and vehicles, and opened bank accounts. The initial funds were from the Oster government, but any further purchases and expansions were funded by the the companies themselves, which earned black money through human and drug trafficking (CMP) and money laundering (OSI). The purpose of these businesses was to eventually fund and conceal an OVAST operation to train and equip anti-communist paramilitaries and drug cartels.

By 1990, literally dozens of OVAST agents and San Javierans working for them, operated in SJ. They delivered tons of supplies and ammunition to FJARDP, ANDSJ, and the Anliana Cartel every month, and trained them. The work slowed down a bit since the early 1990's, but it's still ongoing. Few and sporadic pieces of information and rumors about this operation exist (capable intelligence services across the region knew more, of course). In 1997, Luis Manuel Moreno, a San Javieran resident who claimed to be an informant for the Osters, testified on the alleged Oster operations in the island and expressed his intention to publish a book about it. Moreno was found dead in his car several months later, presumably after committing suicide ("The Moreno Incident").

I really appreciate how you laid this out. Maybe I will grab it as a sort of application layout for future RPs...Also cool with your plans.

Corindia wrote:After seeing who's supporting whom, I think I might lean more towards supporting some of the cartels over the communists. Corindia has no stake in the communist cause and would only have helped them to throw a wrench in the Presidential Republic and the Paramilitaries' plans, but now it looks like the actual communist nations are going to intervene, and Corindia doesn't really back them either.

How do you want tp support them specifically?

Covonant wrote:I am interested in this RP, well have been for a few days now. I see Covonant supporting the drug cartels, San Javier might prove beneficial with its drug industry. I see like a USA/Afghanistan type of relation. However I am interested, the government will not come out and say we are backing the drug cartels though, we will find other reasons to get ourselves involved in the beginning overtime our true intentions should be realised. I want to see that transition flow though, I don't want it to be abrupt or random.

Afghanistan was one of my influences. How do you intend to support the cartels?
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Postby Ostehaar » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:12 pm

Corindia wrote:After seeing who's supporting whom, I think I might lean more towards supporting some of the cartels over the communists.

I was hoping for conflict of interests. :P

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Postby Taziristan » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:19 pm

Ostehaar wrote:
Corindia wrote:After seeing who's supporting whom, I think I might lean more towards supporting some of the cartels over the communists.

I was hoping for conflict of interests. :P

Would you help Mr unify the cartels and paramilitaries
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Postby Ostehaar » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:24 pm

Taziristan wrote:Would you help Mr unify the cartels and paramilitaries

I don't think so. I'd assume that such unification would be unstable, and therefore not worthy of support.

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Postby Taziristan » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:26 pm

Ostehaar wrote:
Taziristan wrote:Would you help Mr unify the cartels and paramilitaries

I don't think so. I'd assume that such unification would be unstable, and therefore not worthy of support.

Damn.
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Postby Covonant » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:42 pm

Ostehaar wrote:So This is how I want to get involved:

  • I am already involved. Fearing a communist takeover of the island, my government has been supporting the paramilitaries and the Anliana drug cartel on-and-off for over 3 decades, by selling cheap arms, arranging the delivery of advanced weaponry (anti-tank, etc.), and establishing front companies for money laundering and making. Details about my past involvement (as it appears in the initial TG I sent Atnaia about it) are below.
  • The Oster goal: To prevent the communist militias from taking over, without being exposed. My government decided that the central government is (1) not stable enough, (2) not trustworthy enough, and (3) isn't a good choice if the idea is to keep the involvement clandestine - so it chose to support the paramilitaries and the biggest cartel instead. We hoped to eradicate the communist militias quickly, but we ended up supporting one side of a multi-side war that has been going downhill ever since.
  • OOC goals for the RP: As always, I'm going to start with what I know best (and what my nation does best), and that's running secret ongoing operations using few special operatives and a few local informants. However, further into the RP I'm going to (finally) get a little bit away from my comfort zone (perhaps after a major failure of a mission), and get involved with special forces on the ground against the militias, training and doing missions with the paramilitaries or the cartel. I want to RP "huge" guerrilla battles taking place in the mountains, in forests, and in cities, between the factions I support and the others. I want to experience major difficulties and risk my people as much as possible. I may want my activity on SJ to get exposed in the international media.
  • Where do you come in: Obviously, I want to damage the New Aapelistanian and Corindian operations as much as I can. I've never RPed with Covonant before, and I have no prior relations with him, so Covonant - if you want, we can work towards a situation that's puts us as enemies.
How I picture my involvement would be very secretive in the beginning, trying to get an idea of the drug industry, I then plan on using propagandist means of getting my military involved. It won't be a large force, I don't plan on sending a large force, I just want to get the drug cartels on my side and if any oppose I will have troops to defend Covonant's interest. I don't see how we may be at odds with each other seeing we are supporting the same group, however as the RP progress and Covonant's true intention plays out more, we can see what develops between us then.
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Postby Corindia » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:44 pm

Atnaia wrote:
Corindia wrote:After seeing who's supporting whom, I think I might lean more towards supporting some of the cartels over the communists. Corindia has no stake in the communist cause and would only have helped them to throw a wrench in the Presidential Republic and the Paramilitaries' plans, but now it looks like the actual communist nations are going to intervene, and Corindia doesn't really back them either.

How do you want tp support them specifically?

'Secretly' training and advising their soldiers while deploying small units of infantry to fight alongside them using the tactics outlined in my first post, as well as delivering weapons and supplies. A bit of the US army in Iraq mixed with the NVA attachés to the VC.

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Postby Covonant » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:49 pm

Atnaia wrote:
Covonant wrote:I am interested in this RP, well have been for a few days now. I see Covonant supporting the drug cartels, San Javier might prove beneficial with its drug industry. I see like a USA/Afghanistan type of relation. However I am interested, the government will not come out and say we are backing the drug cartels though, we will find other reasons to get ourselves involved in the beginning overtime our true intentions should be realised. I want to see that transition flow though, I don't want it to be abrupt or random.

Afghanistan was one of my influences. How do you intend to support the cartels?

Well in the initial stage we will be secretly supplying them with weapons, and taking a few of the drugs for "sampling" but really its more a R&D venture trying to see how we can profit from this. I don't want my RP to be from the standpoint of the government but more so the elites in Covonant who will persuade the law makers to get on board with this. Propaganda will be used to get troops on the ground (Not a lot though, not interested in the war just securing Covonant's interest which is the profits from the drug industry), overtime, our main goal would be to befriend the drug cartel leader only to turn our backs on him and focus on taking over the industry in a very covert operation.
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Postby Vancouvia » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:49 pm

History:

After the successful production of the Grand Vancouvian Rail in the early 2000s, the Vancouvian government entered into a contract with the central government of San Javier to produce a low-cost, medium-speed rail line in San Javier connecting Castillo Verde to Rio Pena, and Constantina in the future. The rail line is to be owned and managed by Vancouvia for a thirty-five year period after which it will be fully transferred over to the federal government. With Vancouvia being able to charge its own rates, they essentially are aiming to establish a monopoly on all mass transportation on the island, a heavily profitable venture if the railroad can be produced and safeguarded. Ostensibly to improve the overall state of infrastructure in San Javier "for the people," but truly to maximize the government's army's effectiveness, the San Javier government agreed to the arrangement.

The progress of the project has gone incredibly over-schedule as workers struggled to work without being forced off the land for months at a time due to rebel movement. Faced with threats from various rebel groups, the central government has had to devote a portion of its army to defending the progression of the line.

Currently:

Today the rail line is 80% complete between Castillo Verde and Rio Pena. The Vancouvian government views this as a major investment and is unwilling to let the country destabilize further, intending to collect on the contract. With foreign and local military involvement reaching a boiling point, the Vancouvian Congress finally authorizes the deployment of several squads of VSF to assist the government in protecting the workers. Nefariously, the Vancouvian leadership also views this as an excellent "training ground" for new recruits to gain experience operating in a desert and mountainous climate, widely underestimating the fighting potential of the enemy.

Support:

Vancouvians have worked with the central government for years now and it is that entity which the contract is with. Any attempt by another faction to gain power is incredibly threatening. Nations supporting the other factions is viewed as an aggressive move.

Goals:

The central goal is to continue the production of the railroad and increase the speed at which it is being built. With new threats from other forces increasing, the VSF may be also deployed to the capital to help safeguard the national government, working alongside other nations who have the same aim.

The VSF will plan to develop a "safe zone" in an several mile length jutting out from the rail line along the towns and cities it connects, in a strategical move in order to encourage the continued safety and fast production of the workforce and demonstrate that law and order is possible under the central government's authority.

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Postby Island of Sceapige » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:57 am

On top of my ideas for using this conflict as a test for UAVs and the training of right-wing guerilla groups, I'd also be interested to RP an invasion of Puerto Polo from the sea and air using my Maritime Corps, possibly as part of a wider coalition to establish a series of towns and cities under the protection of peacekeeping forces whilst in the 'shadows' (or jungle) the special forces run-around shooting at each other and arming and training the rebels. It could make a relatively interesting RP, as on the surface some nations would be either neutral or pro-one side and their actual government agenda would be being carried out in the jungles away from the prying eyes of international journalists or observers.

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Postby Atnaia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:24 pm

Island of Sceapige wrote:On top of my ideas for using this conflict as a test for UAVs and the training of right-wing guerilla groups, I'd also be interested to RP an invasion of Puerto Polo from the sea and air using my Maritime Corps, possibly as part of a wider coalition to establish a series of towns and cities under the protection of peacekeeping forces whilst in the 'shadows' (or jungle) the special forces run-around shooting at each other and arming and training the rebels. It could make a relatively interesting RP, as on the surface some nations would be either neutral or pro-one side and their actual government agenda would be being carried out in the jungles away from the prying eyes of international journalists or observers.

Hmmm. Interesting. I think a full on invasion would have to come later. Let's see what direction the start takes.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:13 am

I know that this sounds like a very terrible idea but this is the only thing I have thought of so far.

The way AMI's lackies will enter San Javier

Have an AMI agent play the part of a rich Athara Magarati businessmen disliked by the government (income equality) such that he has to run his business in foreign nations with several other Athara Magarati "enterpreneurs". On a business trip to Bhumidol, the plane is supposedly hijacked by Merritian terrorists and landed into San Javier forests. Of course, all passengers and crew on board are all various other terror groups and AMI operatives under the National Assembly's direct orders and their belongings are all weapons and other supplies.

These folks destroy all evidence related to AMI involvement and make it look like a tragic terrorist accident by burning down the plane and "kill" the passengers.

And this will all happen after the Atnaians make their move so as to make it look like anti-Atnaian terror groups willingly supported the communist rebels in San Javier.

Can anyone provide me some insights to make this idea much better and realistic?
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