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Mashallah, Dawn Has Arrived [Septentrion, OOC]

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Postby Murovanka » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:57 am

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This is what I currently made up for Ummayah. If you have any suggestions to add or improve, please tell me, this is just a rough draft, it can all be changed to accommodate. Scheduled start will hopefully be 2 weeks from now when I have vacation, or when anyone would like to write the OP.

History

Ummayah is the birthplace of Shahidism. Many times united, divided, then united again, the region reached its height of power in the 17th-18th Century, before falling to Wankan colonisers in 1900-1950. Following the Wanko-Sylvan “Black War”, Wanka lost Ummayah and all other colonies, and the peninsula was taken control of by the Muttalibs whose family has ruled it ever since from the capital Al-Haram.

Demography

Total population: 55 million. 45% are Rashaida-Shahids, 35% are Kharjii-Shahids, 10% adhere to other branches of Shahidism and the other 10% believe in other religions. Youthful population, struggle with unemployment and stagnating economy.

Geography

Landmass of 600,000 km2, an isolated peninsula separated from the rest of Meridia by the desert and mountain in the south. Coastal areas are low-lying and fertile. The Coastal Highway connects the coast and is the primary transport route.

Ummayah lies on quite an important crossroads, but value lies in unexploited natural resources that have not been fully utilised due to lack of infrastructure and weak state.

Economy

Oil-Based, fishing and other primary sectors; exports these to foreign countries, low-wage area for TNCs? GDP/PC roughly at NSD2-4k, large income inequality between ruling clan and the rest.

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Current Situation

The authoritarian Muttalib dictatorship is on the brink of collapse. A pariah state for quite some time, it’s human rights abuses and the government’s unwillingness to open up for fear of losing control has resulted in it being diplomatically isolated, kept alive somewhat only by the Soodean Imperium. Opposition and any dissent is suppressed, and the rights of minority Kharjii group is particularly repressed.

In the Gauliscian-Wankan war, the entire Gulf of Wanka was closed, resulting in a collapse of exports to the large economies of Casaterra. The short-term economic crisis made piracy of shipping off the coasts, particularly from Port Saladina, lucrative, and led to much increased support for the Kharjii-dominated Junud al-Kabaab (Soldiers of the Holy Rock). Meanwhile, other Rashaidan militias are springing up in the central Ummayan areas, difficult to reach and as such control by the central government. These rival the al-Kabaab group for recruits and power.

In face of this, the al-Kabaab has decided to turn the conflict into a global one. The group calls for a “Global Caliphate” under its rule and, seeking to gain attention worldwide, has launched terrorists strikes at Wanka, Sylva and Lendol, and will hit Gauliscia and the Soodean Imperium. It’s message to Shahids all over the world will be: we can hit anywhere and anytime- join our cause for a world under God while at the same time stirring up divisions and fear in infidel nations and in this way establish itself as the supreme Shahid entity in the world.

Meanwhile, piracy by often simple people who need to make a living has caused headaches for many nations. The government itself is unwilling, or too weak, to put a stop to it, and it will only be time until the international community takes the matter into their own hands. Gauliscia and New Tyran, in addition, see in Ummayah some tasty opportunities for the expansion of their own power.

In the Imperium

Actually, the entire southwest "corner" from Cheng-Emil to the Erusuian border is majority Shahid. Which, at 14% of the population, yields 39 million people. A fair portion of these are Ourin (Asian) settlers from the East who have not converted, so maybe 27 million nominal followers of Shahidism.

The vast majority of these are Rashaida-Shahids, concentrated in the provinces of Argentsant, Darisant, and Turqisant. This population is relatively secular, though, in part because from 1927 through 1988 the various Menghe governments have promoted atheism in the region. Since 1988, the Soodean government has loosened these restrictions, but retains the power to license all religious clergy and seeks to promote a "National Shahadism" which celebrates the region's unique identity but also stresses coexistence with the Ourin majority. It has also sought to ensure that these regions do not fall behind the rest of the country in terms of development and public services, though in 2004 GDP per capita is still pretty low overall.

The province of Siyadag, located in the northern corner of the southwest protrusion, is the exception. Rural and mountainous, it has traditionally been poorer than the rest of the country, and has long been a hotbed of secessionist feelings. Unlike the rest of the Southwest, its 3 million residents are majority-Kharjii, and have presented more resistance to Soodean policies. Basically Chechnya. There is particularly strong concern about the Brotherhood of the Eight-Pointed Star, a secessionist guerilla movement which has since resorted to radical-Shahadist terrorism. The government has relied heavily on military police to maintain order in the province, especially after Siyadagi secessionists bombed a passenger train near Lucheng in 1998, but there is growing fear that the Brotherhood could strike again. (Soode)
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Postby New Tyran » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:12 am

Tagging myself. So we can later and better discuss how I can contribute to the RP while balancing work and real life bullshit, which sadly means I don't have a lot of time but I definitely want to get involved in this RP.

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Postby Nova Sylva » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:10 am

I'm thinking it would be really interesting if Sylvan Energy/Alcazar Petroleum/Sulsur owned most of the refinieries in Ummayah. If they were operated by ethnic Sylvans (and thus, Seguidorists) it could make for an interesting dynamic for maybe a hostage situation or something of the sort.

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Postby Nova Sylva » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:13 am

Also, I think maybe we should find some ways to really make al-Kabaab a true force to be reckoned with. Perhaps someone is giving them equipment?¿

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Postby Achesia » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:31 am

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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:50 pm

Re: organizing the military, presumably Ummayah would have been purchasing mainly Soodean military equipment after the Soodean government relaxed arms export controls in 2005? That would make things easier for me to manage, and would let me expand the "users" sections of my wiki writeups.
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The Soodean Imperium wrote:Re: organizing the military, presumably Ummayah would have been purchasing mainly Soodean military equipment after the Soodean government relaxed arms export controls in 2005? That would make things easier for me to manage, and would let me expand the "users" sections of my wiki writeups.


Yeah, that would make sense. Perhaps not the best of tech however, the nation is poor and the troops aren't exactly the most reliable, I'd say.

Nova Sylva wrote:Also, I think maybe we should find some ways to really make al-Kabaab a true force to be reckoned with. Perhaps someone is giving them equipment?¿


Are you volunteering? :P
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Nova Sylva wrote:I'm thinking it would be really interesting if Sylvan Energy/Alcazar Petroleum/Sulsur owned most of the refinieries in Ummayah. If they were operated by ethnic Sylvans (and thus, Seguidorists) it could make for an interesting dynamic for maybe a hostage situation or something of the sort.


Sure, but I'd like people to separate into clear alignments first for simplicities' sake. Soode+Sylva vs Gaul + New Tyran? And then me as al-Kabaab.
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Postby Achesia » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:37 pm

Still debating if I have time nd energy for this one as well...

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Postby Murovanka » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:44 pm

Achesia wrote:Still debating if I have time nd energy for this one as well...


We're doing Deus Vult already, let's keep to side-roles here. The way I see it is like a two-pronged international effort aimed at Wanka and Ummayah to crush the religion (and further your own goals at the same time).

Also better name suggestions?
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Postby Achesia » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:48 pm

Murovanka wrote:
Achesia wrote:Still debating if I have time nd energy for this one as well...


We're doing Deus Vult already, let's keep to side-roles here. The way I see it is like a two-pronged international effort aimed at Wanka and Ummayah to crush the religion (and further your own goals at the same time).

Also better name suggestions?


Ah so this is happening at the same time? Ya I dont think Achesia would IC have the energy as well as we would be focused on Deus Vulting lol.

Maybe call this one "Mashallah"?

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Achesia wrote:
Ah so this is happening at the same time? Ya I dont think Achesia would IC have the energy as well as we would be focused on Deus Vulting lol.

Maybe call this one "Mashallah"?


I see where you come from, trying to translate God wills it into arabic...
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Murovanka wrote:
Achesia wrote:
Ah so this is happening at the same time? Ya I dont think Achesia would IC have the energy as well as we would be focused on Deus Vulting lol.

Maybe call this one "Mashallah"?


I see where you come from, trying to translate God wills it into arabic...


Ya I tried to look up the term for it because there are several, I think the Mashallah is it tho?

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Just saw the new title, looks good.

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Postby Gauliscia » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:06 am

Well, my role in this RP would be, following Al-Kabaab attacks in Shahid Auyadelle and perhaps in Tuxlocia which is similar to Ummayah but follows a multi theist religion called Dayiralaliha, we seek retribution after learning that the group had significant bases. This builds up, but essentially we mobilise a naval task force to sail for Ummayah, and in the meantime we launch recon UAVs and activate agents to begin identifying and marking targets ready for bombers to flatten before the fleet arrives. With the arrival of the fleet, a few days air strikes and establishing regional supremacy will happen before the landing the Ummayan Expeditionary Battle Group, consisting of Gauliscian Foreign Legion units, Gauliscian Marines and perhaps Gendarmes too. The objective from there will be to establish control and order in specific regions, namely settlements, before linking these up into larger areas of control.
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Murovanka wrote:
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Re: organizing the military, presumably Ummayah would have been purchasing mainly Soodean military equipment after the Soodean government relaxed arms export controls in 2005? That would make things easier for me to manage, and would let me expand the "users" sections of my wiki writeups.


Yeah, that would make sense. Perhaps not the best of tech however, the nation is poor and the troops aren't exactly the most reliable, I'd say.

Don't worry, that was my intent from the start. Apart from a few prestige pieces (such as SLD-60 SAM systems) it would all be last-generation surplus. Things like SL-6A, DTD-5B and E, and MCh-5B and D.

Gauliscia wrote:Well, my role in this RP would be, following Al-Kabaab attacks in Shahid Auyadelle and perhaps in Tuxlocia which is similar to Ummayah but follows a multi theist religion called Dayiralaliha, we seek retribution after learning that the group had significant bases. This builds up, but essentially we mobilise a naval task force to sail for Ummayah, and in the meantime we launch recon UAVs and activate agents to begin identifying and marking targets ready for bombers to flatten before the fleet arrives. With the arrival of the fleet, a few days air strikes and establishing regional supremacy will happen before the landing the Ummayan Expeditionary Battle Group, consisting of Gauliscian Foreign Legion units, Gauliscian Marines and perhaps Gendarmes too. The objective from there will be to establish control and order in specific regions, namely settlements, before linking these up into larger areas of control.

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Gauliscia wrote:Well, my role in this RP would be, following Al-Kabaab attacks in Shahid Auyadelle and perhaps in Tuxlocia which is similar to Ummayah but follows a multi theist religion called Dayiralaliha, we seek retribution after learning that the group had significant bases. This builds up, but essentially we mobilise a naval task force to sail for Ummayah, and in the meantime we launch recon UAVs and activate agents to begin identifying and marking targets ready for bombers to flatten before the fleet arrives. With the arrival of the fleet, a few days air strikes and establishing regional supremacy will happen before the landing the Ummayan Expeditionary Battle Group, consisting of Gauliscian Foreign Legion units, Gauliscian Marines and perhaps Gendarmes too. The objective from there will be to establish control and order in specific regions, namely settlements, before linking these up into larger areas of control.


Will you support the rebels then? Or just marching straight in?

Also, I take it that you and Soode will duke it out in the seas, then. Perhaps New Tyran is on Gaul's side to even out somewhat the balance (I assume Soode would have a big geographic advantage, being much closer). Then I'll take over the rebels+al-Kabaab, who'll be based in central and western Ummayah. The eastern side will be government stronghold.

For the Muttalib's army, how about ~150,000 total, 30,000 reserves, volunteer-based (loyal to the Muttalib clan). Of that perhaps 15,000 air force and 5,000 navy. The rest ground forces divided into some 15 brigades. No significant land threats would be assumed, they'd be more to maintain order within the nation.
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Postby New Tyran » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:14 am

Well, I was thinking. With the the authoritarian Muttalib dictatorship collapsing we would try and work to install a new democratic government by trying to upstart a rebellion supporting the more moderate groups in Ummayah. Which would probably be very difficult to distinguish them from another I imagine...

Obviously we want to open of a can of whoopass against al-Kabaab and eventually work up to launching air strikes against them and probably send a brigade level force later on but this can be expanded to a division if we come into conflict with a probably very unhappy Muttalib government.

We would be closely working with the Gauliscia government in a Coalition of a sort but we would probably find their military build up to be overly excessive and would probably turn the populace against our Coalition especially if civilian casualties start quickly mounting. Which we try to avoid. Against extremist groups though? Go nuts.

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New Tyran wrote:Well, I was thinking. With the the authoritarian Muttalib dictatorship collapsing we would try and work to install a new democratic government by trying to upstart a rebellion supporting the more moderate groups in Ummayah. Which would probably be very difficult to distinguish them from another I imagine...

Obviously we want to open of a can of whoopass against al-Kabaab and eventually work up to launching air strikes against them and probably send a brigade level force later on but this can be expanded to a division if we come into conflict with a probably very unhappy Muttalib government.

We would be closely working with the Gauliscia government in a Coalition of a sort but we would probably find their military build up to be overly excessive and would probably turn the populace against our Coalition especially if civilian casualties start quickly mounting. Which we try to avoid. Against extremist groups though? Go nuts.


Yep, moderate, as in like the moderate Islamists (Nusra Front and such) :P

But of course, let's not generalize, some of them probably are real moderately democratic-minded. Kinda.

I like that idea though. We could have something like the rebellion + New Tyran and Gauliscian troops on the ground, on an increasing scale, facing the government supported (and RPed by) Soode. Whether or not Soodean forces arrive to directly confront you guys is up to him. Meanwhile, I'll Kebab around.
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:38 am

Murovanka wrote:Also, I take it that you and Soode will duke it out in the seas, then.

In all seriousness, though, the Soodean Imperium probably would not commit to immediate conventional warfare - Ummayah is strategically located but not worth risking world war over as long as other alternatives exist. If Gaul jumps right into airstrikes on government targets, the Soodean government would first issue diplomatic denunciations and such. Then it would start shadowing Gauliscian carriers with patrol aircraft and intelligence ships disguised as trawlers, all while stepping up arms sales to government forces. Only if these warnings fail would it resort to combined attacks by submarines, aircraft, and surface warships - in which, as you stated, the Imperial Soodean Navy would rely heavily on land-based assets (especially aircraft) to offset its deficiency in aircraft carriers.

I'm actually not sure if the Soodean government would go so far as to land its own forces in Ummayah. It would benefit from immediate access to government ports, allowing it to ship in heavy units from day one, but the Soodean Army has been pivoted toward conventional warfare on its own territory from 2005 or so and hasn't invested in light expeditionary units or long-term counterinsurgency planning. Its main contributions would be less direct: launching airstrikes on rebel forces, supplying heavy weapons and command advisers to government troops, and patrolling the western approaches to present an obstacle for any interventionist fleet. Like open naval warfare, landing troops would presumably be a last-ditch measure if nothing else can save the situation.

In other news, I found my copy of FM 100-63, so I am now in a better position to flesh out info on the government's forces.
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Postby New Tyran » Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:55 am

Our long term goals are establishing bases in the region if we get the locals to like us enough. Exploitation of the lands recourses can come later...

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Postby Gauliscia » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:15 am

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
Murovanka wrote:Also, I take it that you and Soode will duke it out in the seas, then.

In all seriousness, though, the Soodean Imperium probably would not commit to immediate conventional warfare - Ummayah is strategically located but not worth risking world war over as long as other alternatives exist. If Gaul jumps right into airstrikes on government targets, the Soodean government would first issue diplomatic denunciations and such. Then it would start shadowing Gauliscian carriers with patrol aircraft and intelligence ships disguised as trawlers, all while stepping up arms sales to government forces. Only if these warnings fail would it resort to combined attacks by submarines, aircraft, and surface warships - in which, as you stated, the Imperial Soodean Navy would rely heavily on land-based assets (especially aircraft) to offset its deficiency in aircraft carriers.

I'm actually not sure if the Soodean government would go so far as to land its own forces in Ummayah. It would benefit from immediate access to government ports, allowing it to ship in heavy units from day one, but the Soodean Army has been pivoted toward conventional warfare on its own territory from 2005 or so and hasn't invested in light expeditionary units or long-term counterinsurgency planning. Its main contributions would be less direct: launching airstrikes on rebel forces, supplying heavy weapons and command advisers to government troops, and patrolling the western approaches to present an obstacle for any interventionist fleet. Like open naval warfare, landing troops would presumably be a last-ditch measure if nothing else can save the situation.

In other news, I found my copy of FM 100-63, so I am now in a better position to flesh out info on the government's forces.


Sounds fair enough. Gauliscia will be conducting major air attacks on the Ummayan military as our fleet approaches and this realised its presence will not be welcome. A possible cause for war with Ummayah itself would you shooting down one of our recon UAVs or bombers on their raids. Our navy is still staffed by veterans of the Wanko-Gauliscia war, so it is by all accounts a formidable force.

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Gauliscia wrote:Well, my role in this RP would be, following Al-Kabaab attacks in Shahid Auyadelle and perhaps in Tuxlocia which is similar to Ummayah but follows a multi theist religion called Dayiralaliha, we seek retribution after learning that the group had significant bases. This builds up, but essentially we mobilise a naval task force to sail for Ummayah, and in the meantime we launch recon UAVs and activate agents to begin identifying and marking targets ready for bombers to flatten before the fleet arrives. With the arrival of the fleet, a few days air strikes and establishing regional supremacy will happen before the landing the Ummayan Expeditionary Battle Group, consisting of Gauliscian Foreign Legion units, Gauliscian Marines and perhaps Gendarmes too. The objective from there will be to establish control and order in specific regions, namely settlements, before linking these up into larger areas of control.


Will you support the rebels then? Or just marching straight in?

Also, I take it that you and Soode will duke it out in the seas, then. Perhaps New Tyran is on Gaul's side to even out somewhat the balance (I assume Soode would have a big geographic advantage, being much closer). Then I'll take over the rebels+al-Kabaab, who'll be based in central and western Ummayah. The eastern side will be government stronghold.

For the Muttalib's army, how about ~150,000 total, 30,000 reserves, volunteer-based (loyal to the Muttalib clan). Of that perhaps 15,000 air force and 5,000 navy. The rest ground forces divided into some 15 brigades. No significant land threats would be assumed, they'd be more to maintain order within the nation.


We'd essentially simply march in, once we'd struck out targets to finish them off. Factioning can come around later. I would be curious as to how developed the Ummayan forces are.... We will be assaulting from the west, so essentially we'd be destroying the rebels et cetera which the Soodeans and Ummayans my fund sightly favourable, perhaps?

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New Tyran wrote:Well, I was thinking. With the the authoritarian Muttalib dictatorship collapsing we would try and work to install a new democratic government by trying to upstart a rebellion supporting the more moderate groups in Ummayah. Which would probably be very difficult to distinguish them from another I imagine...

Obviously we want to open of a can of whoopass against al-Kabaab and eventually work up to launching air strikes against them and probably send a brigade level force later on but this can be expanded to a division if we come into conflict with a probably very unhappy Muttalib government.

We would be closely working with the Gauliscia government in a Coalition of a sort but we would probably find their military build up to be overly excessive and would probably turn the populace against our Coalition especially if civilian casualties start quickly mounting. Which we try to avoid. Against extremist groups though? Go nuts.


Yep, moderate, as in like the moderate Islamists (Nusra Front and such) :P

But of course, let's not generalize, some of them probably are real moderately democratic-minded. Kinda.

I like that idea though. We could have something like the rebellion + New Tyran and Gauliscian troops on the ground, on an increasing scale, facing the government supported (and RPed by) Soode. Whether or not Soodean forces arrive to directly confront you guys is up to him. Meanwhile, I'll Kebab around.

Hmm, democratic? Eh. I was thinking more of military policed mandate. Maintain strict order. Put some stick about, make'm jump! And as I said, we're going on for retribution, not for peacekeeping...
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Gauliscia is a Wodinist and germanic parliamentary democracy headed by a monarch. The Stalwart Boar Party in power backs a strong military, friendly foreign policy, a pious proud people and government support for the needy. It's a primeval landscape roamed by rich fauna. Gauliscia is lead by its aristocratic elite but fuelled by the working class.
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Postby Murovanka » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:46 pm

Gauliscia wrote:-snip-


Hold it a bit, Gaul, not so fast, tbh I like it the way Soode and NT described it. The government is supported by Soode after all, it has some firepower and there will be around 200k men under arms, so it would be logical and much more cost-effective to try and topple the regime indirectly, with increasing direct support when deemed necessary. While the govenrment isn't strong I imagine you'd need quite a few boots on the ground, and maybe even more to control the insurgency afterward (since it looks like you foreigners won't be too nice to the locals).

And the factional parts can't be just ignored, to me it does form part of the conflict so mending/creating divisions between them can't be overlooked. Hope you get the gist, I don't mind you guys immediately sending boots on the ground, but on a rational scale please.

Also, I really don't like how Ummayah has apparated several thousand kilometers eastwards which might make it a bit unrealistic for Gaul and NT, but for canon purposes we could maybe handwavium it so that it's half the distance.
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