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Aeian Community Summit, Zalejk [Aeia Only]

A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]

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Isolatonia
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Postby Isolatonia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:53 am

President Trevino rose to his feet.

"I am in agreement with the representatives from Ohen and Vrnallia. At the end of the day, those most affected are the people who live in this territory. Deciding their future and the futures of their descendants in a meeting half a world away from them will never do them justice. We must put the choice into their hands".

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Terton
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Postby Terton » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:06 pm

Chancellor Tilman rose so abruptly after the President of Isolatonia that he knocked his chair over.

"I'm sorry," he said, as he righted his chair, "But now I know how a chicken on the table feels while all the family is arguing for the best parts. You've all been talking about Terton, and for a while I haven't had a chance to say anything on my behalf. Anyway, I thank the representative from Newrey for supporting me, though it is my hope that when this summit is over, there will be no need to take sides. My main platform when I ran for Chancellor was the peaceful resolution of this border conflict; I can therefore say that my people are as tired of this dispute as I am sure you all are yourselves." He turned to face the representative from Krieslen. "You say you should have the land because hundreds of years ago, your people lived on it. Let us then also divide up Rohst back to the tribal territories it used to have." He quickly turned to pacify the livid Baron. "It was only a comparison in logic, I would never actually suggest such a thing." Tilman turned back to Krieslen. "I have searched records and chronicles of both Terton and Krieslen, and I have had Terton's top historians help me with this; I failed to discover the cause for our dispute. One day, it wasn't there, and the next, it was. If I knew the cause, perhaps I could propose a solution that would be beneficial to all parties. As it is, I will not give all the land back to you, and take more from elsewhere. Nor will I accept the offer from Bunar, though I am sure it was well-intentioned. Instead, I will support the solution suggested by Ohen." Addressing all present, he continued. "When this summit is over, I ask Krieslen to have a meeting where we will set the date and terms for a referendum in the disputed territory. Most of us are democracies. Those who are not still have some democratic values. We must not forget that the well-being of our people is tantamount, and that is why we are here--not for our own advancement."

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Rohst
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Postby Rohst » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:37 pm

"Ach, if I may be so bold to speak again."

Nobody objects. The Rohstian stands up.

"Herr Tilman, vhat you fail to unterstand is zhat zhe Königreich has de jure claim on zhe islands, which ist zhe historical und legal right to govern zhose provinces. Zhis hast nozing to do vith who originally lived on zhose lands thousands of years ago, but more-so who established the modern governance of zhat territory. Formerly, zhe Reisitz Islands vere a minor duchy of mein nation, und until 1921, hast alvays been unter zhe control of zhe van Klint dynasty." Some of the Vrnallian translators struggle with deciphering his thick accent. "Do we no longer recognize zhe claims of nations to zhe land zhey rightfully own? Do ve sit idly by vhen a conquerer storms in und takes our global neighbour's territory? Saying zhat he has no right to take zhose lands back, und never vill? No, ve do not. My claim, und zhe claim of mein Königreich, ist ganz klar." He curses himself for switching back into his native tongue towards the end. Translators specializing in the languages spoken in Rennekka begin chattering into their headsets, though it's unlikely this was actually required for anyone in attendance. The point was made.

"I vill not bargain für vhat rightfully belongs to zhe Reich. I have presented a peaceful solution to zhe issue vhen zhere ist no ozher to be had, und yet it ist still spit upon."

With a face visibly contorted with disgust, he sits back down.

"As für your border dispute vith zhe gut Prinz, you all know mein stance on zhat."

Von Redeln releases a heavy sigh. Why is it so hard for them to understand? he thinks to himself. Why do they sue for peace, then so readily turn their backs to it?

[OOC: If it's hard for anyone to understand my posts, lemme know and I'll just type them normal-like.]

[OOC: Translation, since it's hard to read.

"Ahh, if I may be so bold to speak again."

"Mr. Tilman, what you fail to understand is that (my) Kingdom has de jure claim on the islands, which is the historical and legal right to govern those provinces. This has nothing to do with who originally lived on those lands thousands of years ago, but more-so who established the modern governance of that territory. Formerly, the Reisitz Islands were a minor duchy of my nation, and until 1921, they've always been under the control of the van Klint dynasty. Do we no longer recognize the claims of nations to the land they rightfully own? Do we sit idly by when a conqueror storms in and takes our global neighbour's territory? Saying that he has no right to take those lands back, and never will? No, we do not. My claim, and the claim of my Kingdom, ist ganz klar (is blatantly/absolutely clear)."

"I will not bargain for what rightfully belongs to the Reich (realm). I have presented a peaceful solution to the issue when there is no other to be had, and yet it is still spit upon."

"As for your border dispute with the good Prince, you all know my stance on that."]
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Postby Terton » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:13 pm

Chancellor Tilman again quickly replied, as the Baron's speech was mainly aimed at him.

"Your only offer of a peaceful resolution was the threat of war. I came here with the hope of improving the relations between our nations. For that reason, I will remain silent on whose claim to the islands I support until someone comes up with a more reasonable peaceful solution. But let it be clear that there are two territory disputes on our hands at the moment. I must confess, some of my own notes got a little mixed up." The Chancellor sat as some of the representatives chuckled at his last remark.

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Castrix
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Postby Castrix » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:57 pm

"Perhaps a vote."
The Castrian representative, Miles Custodia Engelbert Caumann stands up.
"We could ask the civilians living in the disputed area what nation should lead them. Split up the disputed area into small territories, and have each area vote. This way, the civilians who believe they are trapped in occupied soil can vote their way back into the land. I believe this to be a fair way for both nations to gain territory, of course with gains the other side loses, but who can say you want that territory, when your civilians living there don't want you to own it?"

Caumann pauses for a moment, letting his suggestion sink in.
"If the MSTO is clearly concerned with Krieslen and Rohst's intentions, I suggest a demilitarized zone along the border to prevent conflict, enforced by yourselves."

The Rohst and Krieslen representatives are clearly agitated by the suggestions.
"The Emperor would have you know that we do not want war, but we will support your decisions otherwise, like always."

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Krieslen
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Postby Krieslen » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:17 pm

The Prince of Krieslen Rises, and immediately begins to speak.

The proposed idea of a referendum on who the land belongs to is nice, however it will not work. In this case, it each side would vote for them selves, it's like having to decide between 2 people, with only those 2 being able to pick. Each would chose for them self. I am sorry, but the proposal of a referendum will not work!

My nation desires nothing but peace, however drastic actions may be required should this fail to be resolved in a reasonable manner, but I can say for certain that my nation will leave conflict as a last resort. Furthermore, Krieslen will not accept anything less than 50% of claimed lands!"

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Tarasanovia
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Postby Tarasanovia » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:26 am

Feeling as if he could say something meaningful here, Jamieson steps up to the plate and starts talking. "Hello everyone, I feel to say that in some ways that Rohst is technically correct in their view point of the land being taken over in civil war, leaving the country unable to defend itself and with disputes anyway over who's land is who's. Though, I don't feel that war is a necessary way to get the land if any more war is threatened upon other countries by Rohst then Tarasanovia will take away their support for Rohst."

"Furthermore a vote wouldn't work as people would just be in for themselves and wouldn't be a fair representation of what the people actually want, espically for those living in the disputed areas." Jamieson sits down and goes back to counting the hairs on his mustache whilst watching the reaction of those around him.
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Isolatonia
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Postby Isolatonia » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:55 am

Krieslen wrote:The Prince of Krieslen Rises, and immediately begins to speak.

The proposed idea of a referendum on who the land belongs to is nice, however it will not work. In this case, it each side would vote for them selves, it's like having to decide between 2 people, with only those 2 being able to pick. Each would chose for them self. I am sorry, but the proposal of a referendum will not work!

My nation desires nothing but peace, however drastic actions may be required should this fail to be resolved in a reasonable manner, but I can say for certain that my nation will leave conflict as a last resort. Furthermore, Krieslen will not accept anything less than 50% of claimed lands!"


"I highly doubt that there is a 50/50 split in the opinion of these people. I propose that the referendum goes ahead, but if the majority side has less than 65% of the vote, other options may be considered, due to the issue being so highly... divisive..."

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Terton
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Postby Terton » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:46 am

"I would like to point out that so far, there has been no better solution than the referendum. Many of you would agree with me. Since the honorable Prince thinks I would try to get as much land as possible, perhaps we could agree on asking a neutral third-party nation to organize the vote. I didn't want to do it, but Krieslen leaves me no choice."

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Postby Newrey » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:52 am

"Perhaps if the results of the proposed referendum are so close, as the Prince believes, then why not split the lands between those that voted to stay and those that voted to leave? Granted, it will be an ugly border, but a freedom of movement agreement would mean that the citizens can move to whichever side they like, preventing ethnic tensions rising" Raymond offered

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Ternca
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Postby Ternca » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:42 pm

The Terncan Leader Vasilyevykh Adam was running late to the summit. He was highly stressed because he was late to the summit, and he was very tired. He slept in the flight from Ternca to Vrnallia and when he landed he asked for coffee. His plane was a private jet, and he walked out and asked his chauffeur to try to get him there as quickly as possible. He ran inside the room with several other Terncan officials. He took a seat and asked for some more coffee. Once he'd gotten all situated he asked what he had missed.

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Vrnallia
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Postby Vrnallia » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:55 pm

Brachvieca responds, seemingly unperturbed by the Terncan's late arrival.

"We are discussing the border disputes in Rennekka. Various suggestions have been made thusfar, primarily the use of referenda to determine ownership of the disputed areas."
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Postby Ternca » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:30 pm

Vrnallia wrote:Brachvieca responds, seemingly unperturbed by the Terncan's late arrival.

"We are discussing the border disputes in Rennekka. Various suggestions have been made thusfar, primarily the use of referenda to determine ownership of the disputed areas."

"I agree with the use of referenda for this situation, the people of the region should have the choice to make there own decision about this situation"

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Krieslen
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Postby Krieslen » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:27 pm

A Krieslenian guard suddenly enters the room, and heads straight to the prince, and whispers something in the princes ear before standing at attention. The Prince rises and begins to speak.

"I must apologise to all who have attended this summit hoping for resolution for the border disputes. However, the leader of my country has recalled me due to a matter of great importance."

The Prince quickly leaves, followed by his security.

(OOC: Family and Real life issues are pulling me away from this, I don't have the time or motivation to continue thinking about this for a while. I apologize once again.)

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Newrey
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Postby Newrey » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:37 pm

Raymond watched the Krieslenian Prince depart quickly, before rising "Well, I suppose that in the absence of the border claimant, we should move halt the plans of a referendum, until the Krieslenian contingent is next available for comment on the plans." he said, before taking his seat again

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Vrnallia
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Postby Vrnallia » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:38 am

[OOC: No problem Krieslen, needs must and all]

Brachvieca rises to his feet before the room.

"So be it. I shall table a further discussion at the soonest opportunity. Given this, we should move on to the next consideration: a member who wishes to remain anonymous has tabled a discussion on the upcoming presidential elections in Bejarstan. To remind Community members: the current favourite has pledged to retake wealth divested from the Bejari state following the collapse of the Asuran Socialist Union. This move would be expected to have a large impact on financial institutions in a number of other nations."
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Postby Tarasanovia » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:29 pm

Jamieson stands up. "The main problem here is that other countries have..." He stutters a bit while picking his words. "Benefited from Bejarstan's finances and payment and because of that the president candidate could force Aeia to lose millions of dollars and make most currency's worth less, especially the Tarasani." He carefully thinks over what he has the say, knowing one slip-up could make him and Tarasanovia sound bad. "So I feel that unless they can promise to... Give out the same amount of proceeds towards other countries then i'd be terrible for everyone." He sits down and breathes slower.

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Vrnallia
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Postby Vrnallia » Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:26 am

"Though not for the Bejari, I expect," the First Minister utters. A glare from one of the representatives deters him from saying more.

"There is, of course, a legal question over whether action which so directly affects foreign finances is acceptable. There is also a moral question. Has Bejarstan been exploited by other countries?"
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Postby Newrey » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:21 am

"Quite frankly, I doubt our input or decisions should matter. Elections are important, especially in Bejarstan, but we should let the Bejari people decide what happens, so discussing it is quite simply pointless' Raymond said, slightly annoyed at the apparent breach of sovereignty.
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Terton
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Postby Terton » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:26 pm

"I agree with Raymonf. How Bejarstan's election goes is Bejarstan's concern, not ours. They have a right to run their country how they see fit, and honestly, if you had a poor economy, wouldn't you like to fix it up a bit, too?"

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Baiesgrandes
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Postby Baiesgrandes » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:07 pm

Lucy was on the edge of her seat - this summit was already more than she had anticipated. As the other delegates were discussing the Berjari election and its implications, Minster Dezaine slipped her a note.

Our national intelligence on what exactly the potential president is hoping to do is.....lacking. And national media outlets are nothing but speculation. I'm not sure the other delegates here know what he's planning...

The princess gulped. She had stayed quiet during the earlier discussion on the border dispute, and regretted it. She wasn't just here to observe, she had every right to participate as any other delegate.

Here it goes, she thought, standing up.

"Ladies and Gentleman, I'm afraid that I am still unclear on the details of the Bejari concern, and I'm sure I'm not the only one in the room. Mr. Brachvieca, can you elaborate on what entails "retaking the wealth"? Is this Berjarstan not repaying loans to other governments? The seizure of assets Bejari branches of multinational companies ? What exactly is the danger here?"

Lucille stayed standing - hoping it would show that she was waiting for an answer before continuing.

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Postby Vrnallia » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:54 pm

The First Minister stood again.

"Of course. Following the collapse of the Asuran Socialist Union, the Bejari state was left without cohesion and, as a result, former Bejari Socialist Party politicians were able to divest money earned through former state assets - oil extraction firms, heavy industry and so on - into foreign, multinational banking groups and from those, back into the personal accounts of the politicians in question. To reiterate - despite these having formerly being state-owned, the current government of Bejarstan earns nothing from the profits of these businesses.

"The favourite to win this new election ha accused a number of individuals of being involved with this plan, not just the former BSP politicians but also current politicians who he says have accepted bribes to prevent any action from being taken, but more seriously for the international community, has also accused a number of banking groups of accepting bribes in order to keep the profits away from the Bejari state.

"To address the representative's final point - the 'danger', as it were, is that this could have a major impact on a number of international banks which the candidate accuses of involvement in this affair. The impact that this could have on the global economy is... speculative for now, but seemingly significant.

"This discussion was tabled by a representative who wishes to remain anonymous, 'in order that the world's leaders might understand the potential impact of what they might have formerly though of as just a presidential election.' Their words, not mine."

Having exhausted his knowledge of the issue, he returned to his chair.

[OOC: I don't think a name has been given for this presidential hopeful, and I'm waiting on Bejarstan/Ternca to make a post. If none is made by tomorrow evening I'll likely move to the discussion of treaty organisations since this has dragged on a lot]
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Postby Ohen » Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:48 am

With a nod of approval from Mrs. Stevenson, Mr. Bush rose from his seat. " Esteemed representatives and heads of state, although it is regretable that the issue of territorial disputes in Renekka has not been solved and remains very much on many people's minds. It is probably for the best that it was not dealt with at this summit. I propose that a further summit be convened at a later date." He pauses to sip some water. "This second summit would involve only the nations of Renekka and other parties involved in the territorial disputes happening there. This would allow those nations concerned to address the issue without pressure from the rest of us in the international community."

He stops speaking momentarily and rearranges some papers on the desk in front of him. "As with the issue of the Bejari election, Ohen has no issue with the current set of presidential condidates or their agendas. Ohen wishes to express it's concern, however that no matter the outcome of the election that only those who have broken the law directly be punished, and that all those accused be given fair trials. Ohen also wishes to impress upon the Bejari people that they not mistreat their fellow citizens no matter their crimes, we are all people and all deserve the same basic rights." He nods, seemingly only to himself and continues, "We in Ohen further wish to add that apart from this basic request we shall not impose any form of sanctions or denouncements upon Bejarstan as a result of its presidential election, Any nations who feel that such things be necessary will find that Ohen will not support them in their violations of Bejari sovereignty." He looks down and sits very quickly, nervously shuffling some papers about until Prince Harald leans in, "Well said my good fellow." After this Mr. Bush visibly relaxes and stops shuffling papers.
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Postby Bunar » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:19 am

Adrian Harper stands, quite visibly bristling at the comments some of the other representatives have made. He must protect Bunar's investments and those of the Harper-Ward Corporation also. "Bunar has no isse with Bejarstan holding a presidential election, nor does Bunar have an issue with Bejarstan prosecuting criminals. However, we in Bunar take issue with the fact that one of the potentials wishes to retrospectively enact laws and confiscate funds and assets. Funds and Assets that were acquired through legitimate trade deals which benefited both parties. The goverernment of Bunar also takes issue with this one potentials statements that he will refuse to pay back extortionate loans. We are open to renegotiation of terms and interest rates, however Bunar will see it's investment returned one way or another. Believe me when I say that for every Talit that is witheld from Bunar two shall be taken in its stead." He sits, but continues to look about the room as if he was still speaking.

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Postby Ternca » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:38 am

Vrnallia wrote:"Though not for the Bejari, I expect," the First Minister utters. A glare from one of the representatives deters him from saying more.

"There is, of course, a legal question over whether action which so directly affects foreign finances is acceptable. There is also a moral question. Has Bejarstan been exploited by other countries?"

"Yes, yes they have. Forigen countries wrote the Bejari Constitution and wrote in profit sharing agreements. This is the very definition of stolen money."stated the president. "I say we allow the Bejari people to vote for who ever they want, and if that's too destroy these profit sharing agreements so be it, Ternca will use all its power to make sure forigen nations do not intervene in these elections, the Bejari people are strong periods and they are suffering intense poverty many starving, and yet the Tarsanovians can only care about currency values, so what, PEOPLE ARE DIEING ON THE DAMN STREETS STARVATION AND YOU CARE ABOUT CURRENCY PRICES!!".
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