The continental blockade (MT/INVITE ONLY/OOC)

[Inyourfaceistan]

If so, I will no longer recognise Thuas... though; as I don't trust anyone to RP it anywhere near the expected standards, so I'll need to distance myself from it completely.

1) That's your issue, not mine. After everything I have put up with and come so far to work out a deal your subjective standards of how to RP Homo sapiens are not my problem...

2) I have this feeling in my gut that's just a cute way of you wanting to effectively keep control over it, which if I expect anyone else to agree with the deal I cannot allow.

Anyway, why would I just let you blockade my country, sink my ships, and take hostages? What's in it for me?

I can't tell if you are talking OOC or IC here... God why is this a reoccurring theme today?

IC'ly Inyursta does not expect Ardoki to "let them". Inyursta expects and plans on Ardoki trying to stop them, thus giving Inyurstans the clear-cut military confrontation with Ardoki they have been looking for.

OOC'ly because you have basically put us in a corner where we have to canonwise treat Ardoki as an untouchable military power despite all evidence suggesting the opposite or otherwise stop RP'ing with you all together...

[Ardoki]

If so, I will no longer recognise Thuas... though; as I don't trust anyone to RP it anywhere near the expected standards, so I'll need to distance myself from it completely.

1) That's your issue, not mine. After everything I have put up with and come so far to work out a deal your subjective standards of how to RP Homo sapiens are not my problem...

2) I have this feeling in my gut that's just a cute way of you wanting to effectively keep control over it, which if I expect anyone else to agree with the deal I cannot allow.

Anyway, why would I just let you blockade my country, sink my ships, and take hostages? What's in it for me?

I can't tell if you are talking OOC or IC here... God why is this a reoccurring theme today?

IC'ly Inyursta does not expect Ardoki to "let them". Inyursta expects and plans on Ardoki trying to stop them, thus giving Inyurstans the clear-cut military confrontation with Ardoki they have been looking for.

OOC'ly because you have basically put us in a corner where we have to canonwise treat Ardoki as an untouchable military power despite all evidence suggesting the opposite or otherwise stop RP'ing with you all together...

First of all, I had no part in planning this RP. I woke up one morning to find that an RP I was enjoying taking part in was suddenly locked, and I was expected to take part in this. That is not the way to foster trust.

However, I kept an open mind and was willing to take part, expecting that there would be cooperation. However, apart from the ultimatum, there has been no cooperation. If we can agree upon a plot which is constructive for all, we can move ahead. However, my requests to discuss the plot were sidelined every time I asked and I get the feeling most nations involved just want to destroy my nation and don't actually care about the story.

[New Aeyariss]

First of all, I had no part in planning this RP. I woke up one morning to find that an RP I was enjoying taking part in was suddenly locked, and I was expected to take part in this. That is not the way to foster trust.

However, I kept an open mind and was willing to take part, expecting that there would be cooperation. However, apart from the ultimatum, there has been no cooperation. If we can agree upon a plot which is constructive for all, we can move ahead. However, my requests to discuss the plot were sidelined every time I asked and I get the feeling most nations involved just want to destroy my nation and don't actually care about the story.

Ardoki, with no offense; story or story, we are writing about geopolitics here. There will be ALWAYS those who will like to destroy your nation; but that does not mean they will succeed. That to begin;

- All we seen from Ardokian delegation on a quick leaving of international talks and child-like behaviour. When Arata Kasuga is a living personification of liberal school of international relations, when Maki Kojiro prepares another machiavellian plot, Ardokian politicians spam, troll and post meaningless and often - with no offense - childish content on a social media network, behaving not like statesmen, but bunch of teen trolls.

- Kojiro has interest in it - mostly in seizing Ardokian oil wells in the Arctic and successfully stopping spread of Ardokian branch of socialism. To accomplish it, he attempts to create policy of "Joint containment" goal of which is to isolate Ardoki geographically, politically and economically. He does not need Ardoki destroyed, he only needs it contained, although a regime change would have been nice.

- Leading role in containing Ardoki works also as great PR image booster for the Empire of Greater Nifon, which can through a common foe generate ties with states that would have disliked it otherwise.

Nifonese foreign policy done ALL THAT when Ardokian politicians spammed Setsuzoku with Moriarty songs. Perhaps time for Ardokian foreign affairs ministry to wake up?

[Inyourfaceistan]

First of all, I had no part in planning this RP. I woke up one morning to find that an RP I was enjoying taking part in was suddenly locked, and I was expected to take part in this. That is not the way to foster trust.

What thread was that?

Because IIRC it was the Ardokian delegation who stormed out over the N'Awlins conference and the only other thread between now and then was the Maroon Revolution which is basically this thread only with a certain malicious player involved...

However, I kept an open mind and was willing to take part, expecting that there would be cooperation. However, apart from the ultimatum, there has been no cooperation. If we can agree upon a plot which is constructive for all, we can move ahead.

Except we tried to cooperate but your demands were too unreasonable so now we have either war or ignore each other from canon...

However, my requests to discuss the plot were sidelined every time I asked and I get the feeling most nations involved just want to destroy my nation and don't actually care about the story.

IC'ly most nations involved do desire the destruction of Ardoki...

The other issue is that you want to write a story that doesn't concern us. The rest of us dont care who is in power because Ardoki has proven its regime can change every other week but it never really changes.

I'm not even sure what to make of this comment...

[Inyourfaceistan]

If you don't want to RP here then don't and we can close this thread too...

Nobody is forcing you to be here...

[Ardoki]

If you don't want to RP here then don't and we can close this thread too...

Nobody is forcing you to be here...

So you are still unwilling to even discuss the plot for this RP?

[Inyourfaceistan]

If you don't want to RP here then don't and we can close this thread too...

Nobody is forcing you to be here...

So you are still unwilling to even discuss the plot for this RP?

Inyursta et al try to blockade.
Ardoki tries to stop it.

What else is there to discuss that concerns both parties?

[Ardoki]

So you are still unwilling to even discuss the plot for this RP?

Inyursta et al try to blockade.
Ardoki tries to stop it.

What else is there to discuss that concerns both parties?

I want the results agreed upon beforehand.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Inyursta et al try to blockade.
Ardoki tries to stop it.

What else is there to discuss that concerns both parties?

I want the results agreed upon beforehand.

Why?
Where is the fun in that?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Okay after some IRC talk with RP mentors; I am willing to try this idea of "agreeing on the results beforehand". Now personally I believe this to be not only unfair but also toxic and a one-way ticket to a flame war, but I will give it a shot considering the only other option at this point is a mass ignore canon of Ardoki in general.

So I will go ahead and fuck myself for the sake of cooperating and reveal my first play:

1) Inyursta planned to begin the blockade by using submarines to sink merchant vessels inbound and outbound from Ardoki. >This was aimed at provoking the response of Ardoki sending anti-submarine assets out to protect their vessels from submarine attacks.
2) Inyurstan naval aviation from the hidden and undetected Nuveau-Lyon Class (Nimitz) carrier then ambush and slaughter the Ardokian anti-submarine assets with air power.
>This was aimed to provoke a response of Ardoki to target the Inyurstan carrier group. Because the carrier would be outside OTH range and purposefully operating to confuse satellites, the only feasible response by the Ardokians is to send their own navy out into the open ocean and try to combat it.
3) The Inyurstan Navy would then utilize a "ghost fleet" to create a false target for the Ardokian Navy, before springing the trap and (with possible allied assistance) and attack the Ardokian fleet from multiple directions and with various kinds of modern anti-ship weaponry.
> After the likely defeat they would push for more negotiations with Ardoki, this time the demands harsher than before.

> If something went wrong they would reassess casualties, consult with allies, and proceed from there depending on the loss/discovery/change of plans/change of situation.

What were you planning to have Ardoki do?

[Ardoki]

Those aren't really results; they are events which happen as part of a story, such details are not necessary for everyone to know the general storyline. There is more than one person in the RP, it has to be interesting for everyone if it is to survive. But I guess it's a start.

I would envision Ardoki as being able to defend itself against the blockade (which is an act of war), with IFC/SACTO forces either retreating or being destroyed (I don't care which). I don't care about our casualties or how effective our manoeuvres are. However, since I am defending, I don't think it is fair that I should lose. If you look at my invasion of Bashria and the Jezzine massacre, I was completely fine with losing as I was the aggressor (and Bashria/LCR was the defender), so I'm not a hypocrite in this regard.

I'm not a competitive RPer like many of you are, I acknowledge that people spend a lot of time and effort with their nation and I don't want to be one to destroy or alter it without their consent. RPs are suppose to be about cooperation and constructively helping each other better define and understand their nation. The whole trend about defeating other nations is exactly why RPing has died these past couple of years (in my opinion) and only leads to arguments.

P.S. Threatening to ostracise people doesn't garner trust; however, it does make one far less receptive.

[Inyourfaceistan]

And how exactly is Ardoki going to beat the combined navies of the Grand Coalition?

Because I'm not seeing it... (No offense)

[New Aeyariss]

Those aren't really results; they are events which happen as part of a story, such details are not necessary for everyone to know the general storyline. There is more than one person in the RP, it has to be interesting for everyone if it is to survive. But I guess it's a start.

I would envision Ardoki as being able to defend itself against the blockade (which is an act of war), with IFC/SACTO forces either retreating or being destroyed (I don't care which). I don't care about our casualties or how effective our manoeuvres are. However, since I am defending, I don't think it is fair that I should lose. If you look at my invasion of Bashria and the Jezzine massacre, I was completely fine with losing as I was the aggressor (and Bashria/LCR was the defender), so I'm not a hypocrite in this regard.

I'm not a competitive RPer like many of you are, I acknowledge that people spend a lot of time and effort with their nation and I don't want to be one to destroy or alter it without their consent. RPs are suppose to be about cooperation and constructively helping each other better define and understand their nation. The whole trend about defeating other nations is exactly why RPing has died these past couple of years (in my opinion) and only leads to arguments.

P.S. Threatening to ostracise people doesn't garner trust; however, it does make one far less receptive.

Hey IYF: Aren't WE the evil ones who are playing to win?

I think something just became pretty obvious.... If you think you are going to use "cooperativness" as an excuse for winning the RP, sorry - that won't work.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Hey IYF: Aren't WE the evil ones who are playing to win?

I think something just became pretty obvious.... If you think you are going to use "cooperativness" as an excuse for winning the RP, sorry - that won't work.

I know...

Honestly I am still of the belief that trying to agree on a result is just going to result in more OOC flame wars; but I am giving it a shot and I get nothing but the expectation we should loose without any real detail.

[Ardoki]

I don't care about winning the RP; I have been fine with losing on multiple occasions before, as long as it was constructive for my nation (in terms of nation-building).

An RP is a cooperative exercise, all players must be having fun if it wishes to progress. I've never been interested in this RP, I tried to start some dialogue so we could make the RP fun for everyone. However, it appears that you do only care about winning.

Two entire alliances against one nation? Yep, definitely a fair fight. Giving a choice between a slow destruction through a blockade or a quick decapitation through an invasion? Not playing to win. Ordering participation into an RP I never had a part in under threat of ostracisation? That's cooperation.

Do you know why RPing has died? Because of hyper-competitive behaviour like this! I remember how SACTO used to attack any nation they ideologically disagreed with, destroying people's creativity and scarring others away. Why would people risk provoking the wrath of SACTO the nation destroyers and have all their creativity destroyed.

I don't care about this RP! I wouldn't care if I won or lost! However, if I don't find an RP interesting it will be laborious to participate in and It'd likely die. I tried to begin dialogue, yet you quickly leap to accusations and threats despite me leaving the way open for compromise.

What on Earth makes you think you can create RPs involving me without my knowledge? I was fine RPing with Guadalupador, we had planned everything out (apart from having the thread locked and forcing me into this RP). But you just throw this at me and expect me to comply, which I did at first; however, you would not even consider my wishes, expecting me to just grovel at your every command.

I'm not your servant. I don't have to please you.

It seems we have fundamentally different philosophies about RPing which are incompatible. I don't try and destroy people's nations, you do (SACTO has created its own graveyard); I cooperate with my partners (see LCR/Bashria, what I started with Guuadalupador, etcetera), you don't (at least not with me); I RP for fun, for you it is all for the competition.

[Inyourfaceistan]

[/i] Ordering participation into an RP I never had a part in under threat of ostracisation?

Nobody ordered you to participate.

You have had months to leave, you can still walk out right now.

I'm not your servant. I don't have to please you.

And vice-versa.

You can't force us to loose just because you want us to.

It seems we have fundamentally different philosophies about RPing which are incompatible.

And that's why a general retcon and canon removal might be the best option...

[New Aeyariss]

I will not continue this. I have had enough OOC wars.

If Ardoki does not want to RP, he should have said so at the beginning rather than making issues at us for willing to RP. Thank you!

[Inyourfaceistan]

Yeah I knew this was bound for failure...

I honestly believe trying to hash out which side emerges victorious OOC instead of IC just leads to more OOC angst and less IC action...