Imperial Coup and C6/Jahe War

[Keomora]

I am not participating in this. I'll make up my.mind if I want to continue with this in my current depressed state. But at the moment I'm out.

[Keomora]

I am also not participating because C6 are making concessions and the opposition is not. So have fun. Bye. See you next week.

[Ostehaar]

He plans to.

Yet. And he planned to lose. Interfering with the war can be a reason why he will lose against Xrevaro.

He plans to "lose" because he wants this to be his nation's Vietnam-style experience. Meaning he's going to get sucked into this, spend a lot or resources, have troops on the ground, etc., so I don't think he'll have the time for another outside intervention at the same time. :P

[Ostehaar]

I am also not participating because C6 are making concessions and the opposition is not. So have fun. Bye. See you next week.

You can always go on your own... #SharingTheGloryIsForLosers :)

[Jahe Davmwoem]

After this I will not be on until Sunday most likely (maybe some tonight), but feel free to post ideas, and if agreement can't be reached I will put forth a compromise when I get back on.

Have fun : D

[United Great Britian]

I am also not participating because C6 are making concessions and the opposition is not. So have fun. Bye. See you next week.

I will not make any concessions, so it isn't the C6, it is the C6-2.

[Eutristan]

I am also not participating because C6 are making concessions and the opposition is not. So have fun. Bye. See you next week.

It'd be nice to see your idea? Haven't seen a full draft from you. It's easy to say I'm walking all over your plans, but if I knew what they were I wouldn't.

[Keomora]

Okay I am agreeing to this: The situation in Carpestan will happen. However in the chaos a radical colonel (without orders from the government) uses Sarin gas. Then the invasion in UGB will be slowed by the combined C6 military until it is encircled by the Keomoran 1st Army. Simultaneously the C6 fleets attack Jaje completely destroying its navy. The combined Dechen and Eutristan task force will be intercepted by the Keomoran second fleet who begin to lose until the Keomoran first and third fleet arrive destroying the auxiliary fleet before destroying a majority of the task force. (Keomora will lose a carrier, three submarines, 5 frigates and 3 destroyers.)

[Eutristan]

Okay I am agreeing to this: The situation in Carpestan will happen. However in the chaos a radical colonel (without orders from the government) uses Sarin gas. Then the invasion in UGB will be slowed by the combined C6 military until it is encircled by the Keomoran 1st Army. Simultaneously the C6 fleets attack Jaje completely destroying its navy. The combined Dechen and Eutristan task force will be intercepted by the Keomoran second fleet who begin to lose until the Keomoran first and third fleet arrive destroying the auxiliary fleet before destroying a majority of the task force. (Keomora will lose a carrier, three submarines, 5 frigates and 3 destroyers.)

I think that's a bit too tight casted. Sure, it can happen, but like Atnaia has said a mix between planning and flexibility must be met.

[United Great Britian]

I really don't think a UGB invasion would work because the last time it didn't work and it wouldn't make sense for it to suddenly work.

[Eutristan]

I really don't think a UGB invasion would work because the last time it didn't work and it wouldn't make sense for it to suddenly work.

It's not invasion, its territory gain under the guise of terrorist extermination aid.

[Covonant]

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Rough Draft Mk. II
By: Eutristan
Ideas From: Carpestan and Jahe Davmwoem

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Clause I: Diplomacy

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Following wide-scale condemnation and sanctions upon Jahe, the Imperial government continues to grapple for a peace agreement. Not because of what is happening in the immediate time, but because of what will happen if they continue to go on with this. C6 would be more than happy to agree to the terms, besides one minor thing; Jahe wants to be able to keep their nuclear program. Realizing the threat a nuclear Jahe presents, C6 continues to disagree with peace offerings from Jahe. Eventually, King Markus realizes the only way to stop war is to give up nuclear programs altogether. He sends the offering to Jahe; the offering of complete nuclear disarmament.

Ecstatic from the success of their sanctions, C6 eagerly signs the agreement, and Jahe is set on the road to disarmament. There is one problem though; the agreement itself. Jahenians all over the country are enraged that their government bent at the will of these perceived demonic countries. They cannot comprehend that there mighty country would betray the doctrine of nuclear sovereignty. One figure sees this anger, and becomes the embodiment of it; Piet Pondes. The population; feeling betrayed and defenseless, looks to Piet for security. They want their nuclear program back. They want the uncompromising government back. To them, Piet gives them this.

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Clause II: Coup

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Then the unexpected strikes; a terrorist attack by the Legion of Dawn. Not in a foreign country, not in some unknown suburbia, but in Highrock itself. The place where Markus and Angela live (I forget the formal name) is assaulted by a number of suicide bombers. Not from the outside, but from the very people that are supposed to keep the royals safe, the bodyguards. The Palace looks completely decimated from the outside, walls crumpled, flames ablaze, the media jumps on it as the possible assassination of a less than satisfactory leader.

Inside the palace, or rather beneath it in the panic room (I'll just refer to it as that), Markus and Angela are alive, very, very alive. They are being blackmailed though. Surrounded by now rogue bodyguards, they are offered to courses of action; leave the country and never return, or be killed right then and there. Taking the logical option, Markus and Angela are secretly withdrawn from the country. Following the terrorist attack and the mysterious disappearance of the royals, Markus and Angela are presumed dead. In all reality, they are just hidden away in a guest bedroom at the Palace of Ambridge.

The populance is fooled nonetheless, and they begin to scavenge for a new leader. It doesn't take long for everyone to go back to everybody's favorite old man, Piet Pondes. With demand enlarging and no one at the throne to have any power to stop it, Pondes takes the throne and declares a state of emergency until the Legion of Dawn is exterminated. Reigning unchecked, Pondes can do whatever he likes in the country that is now his. He immediately withdraws the offering of complete disarmament, and Jahe is again in the same place; condemned, sanctioned, and hated by many more than loved.

It doesn't matter to the Imperials or even to Piet himself for that matter. More than willing to drive themselves into the ground rather than bend to anothers will, Jahe continues to do whatever they like whenever they like and disregard punishment. Piet begins to exterminate any and all that oppose his fascist and discriminatory ideals under charges of "Terrorist Sympathizing". Once all of them are successfully disciplined, or killed, Piet and the Imperials who are left to live in their own utopia. But not for long. Piet is angered by the countries that denounce Jahe, and looks to silence all voices that are against him; this means one thing, invasion.

Following the discovery of scandal in the highest ranks of Carpestan's politics, an election is held to rectify the government back to its more righteous state. Piet sees opportunity here. He floods pro-Jahe politicians in Carpestan with much of the Imperial national treasury. When all is said and done, the politicians have successfully secured power and the northwest of Carpestan is controlled by pro-Jahe politicians. Secret military movements begin and the northwest of Carpestan is effectively rendered part of Jahe, and Piet begins to terminate "Terrorist Sympathizers" in Carpestan.

The he hits deadlock. He again has exterminated all opposition to him. But he can't go any further, can't liberate anymore than he has. He is limited to the northwest, and it drives him mad to have his unstoppable forces hit the immovable object of political power. He eventually gives up on furthering his influence in Carpestan, and looks to UGB, a country that has more than earned the distaste of Imperials, to further his influence. The Legion begins attacks on UGB, and the nation encounters a crippling terrorist problem. Jahe aid arrives to help and exterminate the Legion, but in all honesty they are simply digging in to gain territory. When the Legion finally withdraws from UGB and the smoke settles, Jahe now controls much of the north of UGB.

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Clause III: War

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[Delayed Until Further Discussion]

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Clause IV: Reconstruction

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[Delayed Until Further Discussion]

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Would jahe having influence and seemingly gaining control of ugb and carpestan be a conflict of interest for the C6??

[United Great Britian]

I really don't think a UGB invasion would work because the last time it didn't work and it wouldn't make sense for it to suddenly work.

It's not invasion, its territory gain under the guise of terrorist extermination aid.

Still doesn't make that much sense.

[Eutristan]

It's not invasion, its territory gain under the guise of terrorist extermination aid.

Still doesn't make that much sense.

Makes perfect sense. Jahe gets in because they're coming to help you with terrorists, but in all reality their digging in their heels to gain territory. This isn't permanent either, just something to provoke a declaration of war.

[United Great Britian]

Still doesn't make that much sense.

Makes perfect sense. Jahe gets in because they're coming to help you with terrorists, but in all reality their digging in their heels to gain territory. This isn't permanent either, just something to provoke a declaration of war.

But, I wouldn't let Jahe in.

[Keomora]

Makes perfect sense. Jahe gets in because they're coming to help you with terrorists, but in all reality their digging in their heels to gain territory. This isn't permanent either, just something to provoke a declaration of war.

But, I wouldn't let Jahe in.

To C6 it would be seen as Jahenian aggression and majority of people in our countries believe That the legion is funded by the Jahenian government.

[Keomora]

Still doesn't make that much sense.

Makes perfect sense. Jahe gets in because they're coming to help you with terrorists, but in all reality their digging in their heels to gain territory. This isn't permanent either, just something to provoke a declaration of war.

In addition our combined armies are in UGB due to the deadline. If you have questions ask UGB regarding the do deadline

[Grand Illon]

Rough Draft Mk. II
By: Eutristan
Ideas From: Carpestan and Jahe Davmwoem

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Clause I: Diplomacy

---

Following wide-scale condemnation and sanctions upon Jahe, the Imperial government continues to grapple for a peace agreement. Not because of what is happening in the immediate time, but because of what will happen if they continue to go on with this. C6 would be more than happy to agree to the terms, besides one minor thing; Jahe wants to be able to keep their nuclear program. Realizing the threat a nuclear Jahe presents, C6 continues to disagree with peace offerings from Jahe. Eventually, King Markus realizes the only way to stop war is to give up nuclear programs altogether. He sends the offering to Jahe; the offering of complete nuclear disarmament.

Ecstatic from the success of their sanctions, C6 eagerly signs the agreement, and Jahe is set on the road to disarmament. There is one problem though; the agreement itself. Jahenians all over the country are enraged that their government bent at the will of these perceived demonic countries. They cannot comprehend that there mighty country would betray the doctrine of nuclear sovereignty. One figure sees this anger, and becomes the embodiment of it; Piet Pondes. The population; feeling betrayed and defenseless, looks to Piet for security. They want their nuclear program back. They want the uncompromising government back. To them, Piet gives them this.

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Clause II: Coup

---

Then the unexpected strikes; a terrorist attack by the Legion of Dawn. Not in a foreign country, not in some unknown suburbia, but in Highrock itself. The place where Markus and Angela live (I forget the formal name) is assaulted by a number of suicide bombers. Not from the outside, but from the very people that are supposed to keep the royals safe, the bodyguards. The Palace looks completely decimated from the outside, walls crumpled, flames ablaze, the media jumps on it as the possible assassination of a less than satisfactory leader.

Inside the palace, or rather beneath it in the panic room (I'll just refer to it as that), Markus and Angela are alive, very, very alive. They are being blackmailed though. Surrounded by now rogue bodyguards, they are offered to courses of action; leave the country and never return, or be killed right then and there. Taking the logical option, Markus and Angela are secretly withdrawn from the country. Following the terrorist attack and the mysterious disappearance of the royals, Markus and Angela are presumed dead. In all reality, they are just hidden away in a guest bedroom at the Palace of Ambridge.

The populance is fooled nonetheless, and they begin to scavenge for a new leader. It doesn't take long for everyone to go back to everybody's favorite old man, Piet Pondes. With demand enlarging and no one at the throne to have any power to stop it, Pondes takes the throne and declares a state of emergency until the Legion of Dawn is exterminated. Reigning unchecked, Pondes can do whatever he likes in the country that is now his. He immediately withdraws the offering of complete disarmament, and Jahe is again in the same place; condemned, sanctioned, and hated by many more than loved.

It doesn't matter to the Imperials or even to Piet himself for that matter. More than willing to drive themselves into the ground rather than bend to anothers will, Jahe continues to do whatever they like whenever they like and disregard punishment. Piet begins to exterminate any and all that oppose his fascist and discriminatory ideals under charges of "Terrorist Sympathizing". Once all of them are successfully disciplined, or killed, Piet and the Imperials who are left to live in their own utopia. But not for long. Piet is angered by the countries that denounce Jahe, and looks to silence all voices that are against him; this means one thing, invasion.

Following the discovery of scandal in the highest ranks of Carpestan's politics, an election is held to rectify the government back to its more righteous state. Piet sees opportunity here. He floods pro-Jahe politicians in Carpestan with much of the Imperial national treasury. When all is said and done, the politicians have successfully secured power and the northwest of Carpestan is controlled by pro-Jahe politicians. Secret military movements begin and the northwest of Carpestan is effectively rendered part of Jahe, and Piet begins to terminate "Terrorist Sympathizers" in Carpestan.

The he hits deadlock. He again has exterminated all opposition to him. But he can't go any further, can't liberate anymore than he has. He is limited to the northwest, and it drives him mad to have his unstoppable forces hit the immovable object of political power. He eventually gives up on furthering his influence in Carpestan, and looks to UGB, a country that has more than earned the distaste of Imperials, to further his influence. The Legion begins attacks on UGB, and the nation encounters a crippling terrorist problem. Jahe aid arrives to help and exterminate the Legion, but in all honesty they are simply digging in to gain territory. When the Legion finally withdraws from UGB and the smoke settles, Jahe now controls much of the north of UGB.

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Clause III: War

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[Delayed Until Further Discussion]

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Clause IV: Reconstruction

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[Delayed Until Further Discussion]

I like it.

[Dechen]

I like it.

As do I. I appreciate how the draft lays out the main events and how things will swing in the end, but still leaves room for flexibility and doesn't make things too tight.

I think that's one of the more important things, keeping it malleable.

[Keomora]

I like it.

As do I. I appreciate how the draft lays out the main events and how things will swing in the end, but still leaves room for flexibility and doesn't make things too tight.

I think that's one of the more important things, keeping it malleable.

I like some parts... but other things have to change. When your navy comes will you arrive with Eutristan?

[Carpestan]

Makes perfect sense. Jahe gets in because they're coming to help you with terrorists, but in all reality their digging in their heels to gain territory. This isn't permanent either, just something to provoke a declaration of war.

But, I wouldn't let Jahe in.

Perhaps covertly disguised terrorists entering UGB? Maybe a major, coordinated attack in a major part of the city by Legion members using fake Carpestani passports. Somewhat like what happened in Paris back in November.

[Keomora]

But, I wouldn't let Jahe in.

That can happen. But the moment Jahe sends in troops it will be a declaration of war due to the violation of UGB sovereignty.

Perhaps covertly disguised terrorists entering UGB? Maybe a major, coordinated attack in a major part of the city by Legion members using fake Carpestani passports. Somewhat like what happened in Paris back in November.

But the moment Jahe enters it will be a declaration of war due to the violation of UGB's sovereignty

[Carpestan]

That can happen. But the moment Jahe sends in troops it will be a declaration of war due to the violation of UGB sovereignty.

Perhaps covertly disguised terrorists entering UGB? Maybe a major, coordinated attack in a major part of the city by Legion members using fake Carpestani passports. Somewhat like what happened in Paris back in November.

But the moment Jahe enters it will be a declaration of war due to the violation of UGB's sovereignty

I know. I'm quite aware of that. I'm just saying that rather than overt military invasion and aggression at the border front between Jahe and UGB on part of Piet Pondes, the Legion of Dawn orchestrates a secretly planned attack via using fake Carpestani passports. Once that happens, THEN it is a pretext for C6 to go to war and move away from the initial reluctance to act when NW Carpestan was siezed by Piet Pondes forces.

[Dechen]

As do I. I appreciate how the draft lays out the main events and how things will swing in the end, but still leaves room for flexibility and doesn't make things too tight.

I think that's one of the more important things, keeping it malleable.

I like some parts... but other things have to change. When your navy comes will you arrive with Eutristan?

Yes, if he agrees to that to I think it would be a marvelous idea. Our combined forces would be stronger then our individual ones.
And I do think the majority of our forces should make it to the beaches, like D-Day, except on a much smaller scale.
Then as our forces push south we'd encounter C6 forces on their push north, making a situation similar to the Western Front in WWI.

[Keomora]

I like some parts... but other things have to change. When your navy comes will you arrive with Eutristan?

Yes, if he agrees to that to I think it would be a marvelous idea. Our combined forces would be stronger then our individual ones.
And I do think the majority of our forces should make it to the beaches, like D-Day, except on a much smaller scale.
Then as our forces push south we'd encounter C6 forces on their push north, making a situation similar to the Western Front in WWI.

No. Me, Covonant Marines, and To quoc duc are already doing that in Jahe. And here is where I draw the line: your task force gets.intercepted by the Keomoran second fleet and both get destroyed for a pyrric Keomoran victory. In addition you are too far away to even do a D-Day invasion as we can easily cut you off...