NationStates

After talking to Solm, I have agreed to be the nation which steals the elusive 'package.' If this does lead to outright war (which it of course will) and an invasion of my nation, there are a few conditions.

1. There are to be no mass killings of civilians without a very good reason. My advice is to try and act like Western forces currently in Afghanistan who are trying to win the hearts and minds of the populace.

2. Senior figures within my government, such as the Emperor, the Imperial Family, the Head of Government and the Ministers of Defence and Foreign Affairs are off-limits. Don't bother trying to assassinate, bomb or kill them in any way. I'll just ignore it if you do.

3. Finally, should an invasion take place and should said invasion be successful, the Empire of Tergnitz will remain a free, independent and sovereign nation. If you’re looking for a new colony or protectorate, better start looking elsewhere.

Moving on from that, there is a full map of my nation in my sig and if your looking for some more details, check out my factbook.

I plan on entering the war once Solm declares war on Tergnitz. I'll call the declaration of hostilities uncalled for and seek to defend Tergnitz. I'll deploy a fleet and multiple reactionary forces to the region to work with Tergnitz. My troops will have a strictly defensive ROE.

However I'm wondering, will we post ORBATs and war logs on the IC thread or here?

I would say in this thread, with a link/spoiler in the IC thread.

I'll be chucking up a sample ORBAT which will serve as a template for my forces. But basically the entire military of my nation will be fighting off this invasion.

Very Good, and you can post ORBATS here, and as Tergnitz said, you could, but do not have to, post them in the IC Thread.

Also, Tergnitz, do you want to start the RP with my package in the air, or my Declaration of War and first mobilities?

I think that starting with your package in the air would give the story a nice initial build-up . Rather than a sudden declaration of war and instant troop movements.

Tergnitz wrote:1. There are to be no mass killings of civilians without a very good reason. My advice is to try and act like Western forces currently in Afghanistan who are trying to win the hearts and minds of the populace.

Your populace or my populace? And acting like Western forces in Afghanistan will be kind of hard for my military, they're nothing like them.

Ewa beach wrote:

Tergnitz wrote:1. There are to be no mass killings of civilians without a very good reason. My advice is to try and act like Western forces currently in Afghanistan who are trying to win the hearts and minds of the populace.

Your populace or my populace? And acting like Western forces in Afghanistan will be kind of hard for my military, they're nothing like them.

My populace. You can kill as many of your people as you want; they're your citizens after all. You don't have to be identical to them, it was just an example.

I did say mass killings. Some civilian casualties are fine, while larger amounts need a valid reason other than ‘I felt like it,’ or ‘look how evil / badass my military is.’

Tergnitz wrote:

Ewa beach wrote:

Tergnitz wrote:1. There are to be no mass killings of civilians without a very good reason. My advice is to try and act like Western forces currently in Afghanistan who are trying to win the hearts and minds of the populace.

Your populace or my populace? And acting like Western forces in Afghanistan will be kind of hard for my military, they're nothing like them.

My populace. You can kill as many of your people as you want; they're your citizens after all. You don't have to be identical to them, it was just an example.

I did say mass killings. Some civilian casualties are fine, while larger amounts need a valid reason other than ‘I felt like it,’ or ‘look how evil / badass my military is.’

I won't kill civilians unless it's necessary, and it's usually not necessary. So you have nothing to worry about..your soldiers however....

Cant wait till the IC thread is up

Estovokiat wrote:Cant wait till the IC thread is up

Ditto.

Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can i slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Ewa beach wrote:

Estovokiat wrote:Cant wait till the IC thread is up

Ditto.

Third.

The good men and women of Tergnitz would glady lay down their lives for the good of the Empire. Seeing as my nation is significantly smaller than even just your nation, my strategy to win this war will have to....change.

LINTYLAND wrote:Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can a slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Do what a real military would do, try to avoid civilian casualties. There is a reason things such as laser guided bombs and precision artillery were invented. If you were meant to level entire cities, than weapons would be designed for that. But most modern weapons are designed with civilian well being in mind.
The Israeli Delilah Missile is a great example.

Chernobl wrote:

LINTYLAND wrote:Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can a slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Do what a real military would do, try to avoid civilian casualties. There is a reason things such as laser guided bombs and precision artillery were invented. If you were meant to level entire cities, than weapons would be designed for that. But most modern weapons are designed with civilian well being in mind.
The Israeli Delilah Missile is a great example.

I know what you mean, but how about if there like the japanese civilians in WW2, who lay down their lives for the emperor. Do i get to slaughter them at that point?

LINTYLAND wrote:

Chernobl wrote:

LINTYLAND wrote:Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can a slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Do what a real military would do, try to avoid civilian casualties. There is a reason things such as laser guided bombs and precision artillery were invented. If you were meant to level entire cities, than weapons would be designed for that. But most modern weapons are designed with civilian well being in mind.
The Israeli Delilah Missile is a great example.

I know what you mean, but how about if there like the japanese civilians in WW2, who lay down their lives for the emperor. Do i get to slaughter them at that point?

This is why I brought up Afghanistan, but Iraq would actually be a more appropriate analogy. You will have to treat every citizen as a potential threat. But at the same time, you just can’t go around shooting everyone who looks at your soldiers wrong or kids who throw rocks at your tanks. Measured and appropriate force, would be the correct term.

LINTYLAND wrote:

Chernobl wrote:

LINTYLAND wrote:Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can a slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Do what a real military would do, try to avoid civilian casualties. There is a reason things such as laser guided bombs and precision artillery were invented. If you were meant to level entire cities, than weapons would be designed for that. But most modern weapons are designed with civilian well being in mind.
The Israeli Delilah Missile is a great example.

I know what you mean, but how about if there like the japanese civilians in WW2, who lay down their lives for the emperor. Do i get to slaughter them at that point?

At that point they become an enemy combatant. The basic philosophy of modern, civilized armed forces is "If shot at, shoot back."

Basically, it is appropriate to respond to any agressive action with an appropriate amount of force. If an old Tergnitzian women spits on one of your soldiers, he shouldn't shoot her, but if she pulls out a .22 rim fire, than by all means he should engage her as he would engage any target.

Tergnitz wrote:

LINTYLAND wrote:

Chernobl wrote:

LINTYLAND wrote:Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can a slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Do what a real military would do, try to avoid civilian casualties. There is a reason things such as laser guided bombs and precision artillery were invented. If you were meant to level entire cities, than weapons would be designed for that. But most modern weapons are designed with civilian well being in mind.
The Israeli Delilah Missile is a great example.

I know what you mean, but how about if there like the japanese civilians in WW2, who lay down their lives for the emperor. Do i get to slaughter them at that point?

This is why I brought up Afghanistan, but Iraq would actually be a more appropriate analogy. You will have to treat every citizen as a potential threat. But at the same time, you just can’t go around shooting everyone who looks at your soldiers wrong or kids who throw rocks at your tanks. Measured and appropriate force, would be the correct term.

Yea i get it now, thanks alot for the help guys.

Also how long should the naval engagement be. I know it should be brief, but should there be any opposition to the attacking fleet?

Oe more thing.

Under normal circumstances, any invasion of my homeland by a foreign power would be met by an immediate nuclear retaliatory strike on their homeland. Obviously that isn't going to happen in this case, but could someone do a quick write-up after the invasion begins, detailing the actions of a mole, very high-up in my government who leaked the frequency used to order nuclear weapon release. Thus preventing my nuclear arsenal from being used as you guys can intercept the orders.

LINTYLAND wrote:Also how long should the naval engagement be. I know it should be brief, but should there be any opposition to the attacking fleet?

That all depends on the strength of the defending fleet.

LINTYLAND wrote:Also how long should the naval engagement be. I know it should be brief, but should there be any opposition to the attacking fleet?

You bet there will be.

Tergnitz wrote:Oe more thing.

Under normal circumstances, any invasion of my homeland by a foreign power would be met by an immediate nuclear retaliatory strike on their homeland. Obviously that isn't going to happen in this case, but could someone do a quick write-up after the invasion begins, detailing the actions of a mole, very high-up in my government who leaked the frequency used to order nuclear weapon release. Thus preventing my nuclear arsenal from being used as you guys can intercept the orders.

I could always EMP your nuclear missile launch silos

Well You know I'm doing this thread.