The War of Remnant Expansion [Ausozera Only] - OOC

[The United Remnants of America]

Half are in Northern Zhangua, the other half(my elite troops) just crossed the isthmus into Southern Zhangua.
Each half is composed of 50,000 men, or one corps.

So your corps' plan is to cross the country to join the few Zhanguanese units that have retreated into the mountains and you plan on meeting no resistance from the Zhanguanese and Remnant units that stand between them?

[Western Pacific Territories]

So... you think the majority of the Zhanugese Military will allow two imperialistic nations to annex their nation and obey orders from these imperialistic nations?

[Congreveopia]

So... you think the majority of the Zhanugese Military will allow two imperialistic nations to annex their nation and obey orders from these imperialistic nations?

Congreveopian military would lay down arms if the government gave a convincing reason for them to do so.

[Free Asian Ports]

So... you think the majority of the Zhanugese Military will allow two imperialistic nations to annex their nation and obey orders from these imperialistic nations?

Congreveopian military would lay down arms if the government gave a convincing reason for them to do so.

Like "all our allies threw us under the bus to gain land or not lose lots of troops"?

[The GAmeTopians]

URA, Cong, need a cleanup crew? My battlegroup should be there by now, I'm just busy IRL.

[The United Remnants of America]

URA, Cong, need a cleanup crew? My battlegroup should be there by now, I'm just busy IRL.

Cleanup crew for what?

Don't worry, we can tell you're busy.

[The GAmeTopians]

URA, Cong, need a cleanup crew? My battlegroup should be there by now, I'm just busy IRL.

Cleanup crew for what?

Don't worry, we can tell you're busy.

Air support to keep out pesky do-gooders.

[The United Remnants of America]

Cleanup crew for what?

Don't worry, we can tell you're busy.

Air support to keep out pesky do-gooders.

Ah.

[Second Helghan Empire]

I thought the point of the coalition was to halt the URA advance so we could stop them from taking any foreign land. Why are we just doing the same thing? I am not putting troops in Zhangua, Half the world away, just so we can have another province. We would spend too much defending and reorganizing it. I won't help in expanding even my closest allies there, if not for the moral reason then for the fact we will begin spreading out way more than I am comfortable with.

[Western Pacific Territories]

I thought the point of the coalition was to halt the URA advance so we could stop them from taking any foreign land. Why are we just doing the same thing? I am not putting troops in Zhangua, Half the world away, just so we can have another province. We would spend too much defending and reorganizing it. I won't help in expanding even my closest allies there, if not for the moral reason then for the fact we will begin spreading out way more than I am comfortable with.

This happened because Vanq wants to take over the world, plain and simple. Why else do you think he mobilized a coalition to protect a nation from being annexed by another nation, only to annex half of the nation he was protecting and let the nation he was attacking have the other half?

[Second Helghan Empire]

I thought the point of the coalition was to halt the URA advance so we could stop them from taking any foreign land. Why are we just doing the same thing? I am not putting troops in Zhangua, Half the world away, just so we can have another province. We would spend too much defending and reorganizing it. I won't help in expanding even my closest allies there, if not for the moral reason then for the fact we will begin spreading out way more than I am comfortable with.

This happened because Vanq wants to take over the world, plain and simple. Why else do you think he mobilized a coalition to protect a nation from being annexed by another nation, only to annex half of the nation he was protecting and let the nation he was attacking have the other half?

He did relinquish Revasa back to you. If all he wanted to do was rule the world why not keep revasa?

[Western Pacific Territories]

This happened because Vanq wants to take over the world, plain and simple. Why else do you think he mobilized a coalition to protect a nation from being annexed by another nation, only to annex half of the nation he was protecting and let the nation he was attacking have the other half?

He did relinquish Revasa back to you. If all he wanted to do was rule the world why not keep revasa?

More than anything that was just a attempt to make the world think Scott was a nice guy. Plus, you gotta remember that by the time that occurred there was a very large presence of Unionist and Pacifican military units near Revasa that, in a war, would completely demolish Revasa and make Vanquaria look like a laughing stock. If I wasn't in the Union at all he'd probably have full out invaded by before Vlad died a second time.

[Second Helghan Empire]

He did relinquish Revasa back to you. If all he wanted to do was rule the world why not keep revasa?

More than anything that was just a attempt to make the world think Scott was a nice guy. Plus, you gotta remember that by the time that occurred there was a very large presence of Unionist and Pacifican military units near Revasa that, in a war, would completely demolish Revasa and make Vanquaria look like a laughing stock. If I wasn't in the Union at all he'd probably have full out invaded by before Vlad died a second time.

That's true, but it could also be said that his intentions are more toward order and peace than dominion and conquest. In Zhangua he has come as a politician doing what he could to save the people. Perhaps he believes that fighting for the north and south of Zhangua would be too difficult for a proper defense against URA and has made this deal or whatever to better keep the Zhanguanese out of URA control.

[Western Pacific Territories]

More than anything that was just a attempt to make the world think Scott was a nice guy. Plus, you gotta remember that by the time that occurred there was a very large presence of Unionist and Pacifican military units near Revasa that, in a war, would completely demolish Revasa and make Vanquaria look like a laughing stock. If I wasn't in the Union at all he'd probably have full out invaded by before Vlad died a second time.

That's true, but it could also be said that his intentions are more toward order and peace than dominion and conquest. In Zhangua he has come as a politician doing what he could to save the people. Perhaps he believes that fighting for the north and south of Zhangua would be too difficult for a proper defense against URA and has made this deal or whatever to better keep the Zhanguanese out of URA control.

It should also be noted that he isn't looking to own the entire world personally, he fully supports the idea of the Helsa Federation existing to unite the North against his worst enemy, the Union/Arkana/Southern nations. If I'm recalling correctly Scott is the legitimate Chancellor of the Helsa Federation. And if he was fighting to save the people why didn't he just say "Look, have the south but let Zhangua keep the North."?

[Second Helghan Empire]

That's true, but it could also be said that his intentions are more toward order and peace than dominion and conquest. In Zhangua he has come as a politician doing what he could to save the people. Perhaps he believes that fighting for the north and south of Zhangua would be too difficult for a proper defense against URA and has made this deal or whatever to better keep the Zhanguanese out of URA control.

It should also be noted that he isn't looking to own the entire world personally, he fully supports the idea of the Helsa Federation existing to unite the North against his worst enemy, the Union/Arkana/Southern nations. If I'm recalling correctly Scott is the legitimate Chancellor of the Helsa Federation. And if he was fighting to save the people why didn't he just say "Look, have the south but let Zhangua keep the North."?

In no way are the members of the HF governed by the chancellor, they only give him a second vote in the event of a tie. Now on from that, our whole involvement in Zhangua is only because we do not want URA to gain a larger presence. In fact with the other world powers and alliances who have land nearby in former Azenyenistan and the region there not participating this seems reasonable to me as other than a token few, it's really only a small portion of the HF doing anything.

Now I am not saying I agree with the way things are being handled, and I am plainly making that known, however I also am aware of the fact that the URA is a larger threat to not only the southeast but also the world simply because of it's ability to expand relatively easily.

On a side note, I mean no offense but I had meant my post to be directed at someone more involved with the situation, don't take this as me saying I dislike talking with you about it though because I do like talking to you about this. I just mean I had meant this for someone who had hooks in Zhanqua.

[Vanquaria]

He did relinquish Revasa back to you. If all he wanted to do was rule the world why not keep revasa?

More than anything that was just a attempt to make the world think Scott was a nice guy. Plus, you gotta remember that by the time that occurred there was a very large presence of Unionist and Pacifican military units near Revasa that, in a war, would completely demolish Revasa and make Vanquaria look like a laughing stock. If I wasn't in the Union at all he'd probably have full out invaded by before Vlad died a second time.

Yes yes that is the reason why I definitely definitely returned Revasa. Because one morning I woke up and realised I actually was scared of the Union's mighty armies and that my previous attitude was all just a façade to hide my fear that one day FAP will have had enough of my childishness and destroy the entire North out of his wrath and reduce me to a laughing stock. THAT my friends is why I returned Revasa, cowering under the power of the Union.

Not because Donner suggested I should do it and that it would make sense ICly cos of Scott and also to maybe just maybe embrace a slim chance of making an ally out of WPT, even if it is a shaky, thin relationship.

No it was out of fear about the Union's military, the unstoppable entity that it is.

(lol)

It should also be noted that he isn't looking to own the entire world personally, he fully supports the idea of the Helsa Federation existing to unite the North against his worst enemy, the Union/Arkana/Southern nations. If I'm recalling correctly Scott is the legitimate Chancellor of the Helsa Federation. And if he was fighting to save the people why didn't he just say "Look, have the south but let Zhangua keep the North."?

In no way are the members of the HF governed by the chancellor, they only give him a second vote in the event of a tie. Now on from that, our whole involvement in Zhangua is only because we do not want URA to gain a larger presence. In fact with the other world powers and alliances who have land nearby in former Azenyenistan and the region there not participating this seems reasonable to me as other than a token few, it's really only a small portion of the HF doing anything.

Now I am not saying I agree with the way things are being handled, and I am plainly making that known, however I also am aware of the fact that the URA is a larger threat to not only the southeast but also the world simply because of it's ability to expand relatively easily.

On a side note, I mean no offense but I had meant my post to be directed at someone more involved with the situation, don't take this as me saying I dislike talking with you about it though because I do like talking to you about this. I just mean I had meant this for someone who had hooks in Zhanqua.

Aye HF Chancellor is actually a completely useless title. When Donner wanted to ''kick'' IWA out of HF the fact that he was Chancellor did nothing, absolutely nothing. It's why I love the HF, no one actually rules haha, pure team effort and cooperation.

Anyways talk to you by TG

[Cholov]

The elite 50,000 men already in Southern Zhangua were going to retreat- presumably with the majority of the Zhangaun army- into the mountains before URA forces arrived. The men in Northern Zhangua would be evacuated by my fleet, still in the area.
While I would expect some-even a lot-of the Zhangaun forces to stand down, I wouldn't expect any of them to side with invaders who just annexed their country over troops trying to defend it and attacking them.

[The United Remnants of America]

The elite 50,000 men already in Southern Zhangua were going to retreat- presumably with the majority of the Zhangaun army- into the mountains before URA forces arrived. The men in Northern Zhangua would be evacuated by my fleet, still in the area.
While I would expect some-even a lot-of the Zhangaun forces to stand down, I wouldn't expect any of them to side with invaders who just annexed their country over troops trying to defend it and attacking them.

There was no annexing, though, so they'd still be taking orders from the Zhanguanese government.

And regardless of that, if the war ended, Cholovians would be just as invasive as Remnants, even if South Zhangua hadn't joined the GRCS of its own free will.