OOC: Things to do in Caracasus before you die (MT/PMT/Dip)

[Flauc]

I think it's a little to soon to make any judgements on the Ganioan occupation.

Why not?

[Ganos Lao]

Well, you could have just brought it and let Carcasus and Malsti to steamroll inside Menthi when Parsoh leaves, hence beginning liberation.

To be fair, we didn't really discuss things as much as I had hoped. I assumed we would be doing this all gradually with Abishag discussing terms, people hearing about us, wanting to work with us, etc. Instead, all this other stuff happened and I just responded in turn. This wasn't the original plan, you see. With Abishag not being able to hash out the terms and make things official - I don't think that bit of my initial post was ever responded to - we've suddenly been saddled with Ganosophobia. Letting others steamroll Imperial soil may seem off putting too, but who knows how it would've worked out had Abishag's endeavours to do everything diplomatically been achieved. Hell, I figured at first we'd just station soldiers there to serve much like UN peacekeepers, but without the child abuse and cholera. And in all honesty, ICly, rather than want war with us, y'all could simply just ask for negotiations. Most Ganosians don't want war. The government doesn't want war. War will only bring the wrath of Ganosia and her allies upon the Iberis Peninsula. It's why Irikah's mother hated the idea of her only begotten child being sent to Menthi (my next post shall elaborate on this further).

We're "fluffy" largely because of this. If I/we wanted, I/we could just go around blowing everyone up. But that's not fun to me. I'd rather not just steamroll everyone here with waves upon waves of soldiers of mine and my allies. My goal was always to RP how Ganosians interact with Menthians, etc, not simply kill them.

Before this, my original plan was simply to buy the territory, turn it into a Hobbesian state (I always wanted to spread my ideology) and then probably bounce, any Menthians wanting to come coming along with us.

But then Sig backed out due to reasons and now I am in control and the rest is history.

ICly, you guys don't know this yet, but it is rather possible the Ganosians will leave. Leave, of course, with the money spent paid back to them, yadda yadda.

But until then, you guys want to interact, so we gotta react. This isn't a certainty, though. We wouldn't leave unless OOCly the story was good to me and ICly we got something good in return for simply leaving.

Lastly, Flauc, you assume we do not already plan on getting rid of certain people. Who, though? I can't tell you. But know that someone is watching all of you very closely.

I think it's a little to soon to make any judgements on the Ganioan occupation.

It hasn't really been much of one. I haven't even gotten a chance to send everyone fruit baskets. Like I said, I figured it would be a slow, gradual even, process.

I think it's a little to soon to make any judgements on the Ganioan occupation.

Why not?

Because it hasn't really done much to be judged on. I haven't done anything really meaningful yet for anyone to judge.

[Significance]

I made my post Ganos. You can take a breather now. I also hope people like my joke.

Edit: Also, you can kind of understand why I backed down. I know most people would see me as a 'hero', but someone would want my blood for working with Parsoh.

[Ganos Lao]

I made my post Ganos. You can take a breather now. I also hope people like my joke.

I'm perfectly calm. Where did I give the impression I wasn't? My point was that I didn't think everything would go so fast. I posted assuming Abishag was meeting some foreign bigwigs, not everything else, you know? No offense to anyone here intended; I'm just rolling with things, you know? Going with the flow.

[Significance]

I made my post Ganos. You can take a breather now. I also hope people like my joke.

I'm perfectly calm. Where did I give the impression I wasn't? My point was that I didn't think everything would go so fast. I posted assuming Abishag was meeting some foreign bigwigs, not everything else, you know? No offense to anyone here intended; I'm just rolling with things, you know? Going with the flow.

Just as I edit you post. Uggh.

[Ganos Lao]

I'm perfectly calm. Where did I give the impression I wasn't? My point was that I didn't think everything would go so fast. I posted assuming Abishag was meeting some foreign bigwigs, not everything else, you know? No offense to anyone here intended; I'm just rolling with things, you know? Going with the flow.

Just as I edit you post. Uggh.

It's like I said, Sig.

I came into this expecting Abishag to be doing a political meeting. I didn't expect to be suddenly bombarded with "ey b0ss fuck Ganosia, man" and all that.

AFAIK Abishag is technically still where she is.

[Significance]

It's like I said, Sig.

I came into this expecting Abishag to be doing a political meeting. I didn't expect to be suddenly bombarded with "ey b0ss fuck Ganosia, man" and all that.

AFAIK Abishag is technically still where she is.

Well I meant to everyone, what your experiencing is what I was afraid of so I backed down.

And I get your point. It's very hard to explain to some people your trying to do good. Just look at all the Menthian political groups. They hate each other somehow you have to get them to work together. Rather you than me, I think your much more capable of achieving peace, although I think a little nudge in the right direction would hurt.

[Significance]

Btw, could somehow help me write a post for me. I'm planning a joke one where peace and company are on his jet headed towards tek. Any recommendations for how the conversation should go would be helpful.

[Tekeristan]

On a note, if anything besides the current expected diplomacy is to happen inside Tekeri do let me know. Otherwise, things will probably go wrong.

[Significance]

On a note, if anything besides the current expected diplomacy is to happen inside Tekeri do let me know. Otherwise, things will probably go wrong.

Penny may or may not try to attack someone at the meeting if they are insultive enough either to her, her country, or her friends, by which I mean Peace or Borris. Of course if she does go to attack someone, Borris will jump in to stop her. Just a warning things may heat up.

[Ganos Lao]

Well I meant to everyone, what your experiencing is what I was afraid of so I backed down.

Had I known then what I do now, I probably would've backed out also.

[Watersville]

Well, Ferrum really brings back some bad memories, doesn't it? Also, I will *definitely* be going to the meeting in Ferrum. I have somewhat of an idea of what could happen, I am not sure if it will work out quite yet, but I will ask you what you think about it, Tek.

[Tekeristan]

Well, Ferrum really brings back some bad memories, doesn't it? Also, I will *definitely* be going to the meeting in Ferrum. I have somewhat of an idea of what could happen, I am not sure if it will work out quite yet, but I will ask you what you think about it, Tek.

Ferrum bit different from what you'll remember it.

Sure, go for it.

[Significance]

Well, Ferrum really brings back some bad memories, doesn't it? Also, I will *definitely* be going to the meeting in Ferrum. I have somewhat of an idea of what could happen, I am not sure if it will work out quite yet, but I will ask you what you think about it, Tek.

Ferrum bit different from what you'll remember it.

Sure, go for it.

He won't be going by the sound of his post. Either he'll need to find someone other than Joseph to go, or Parsoh won't let him in and he'll decide to go to ferrum.

[Significance]

Is anyone on. I'd just like to discuss some tactics to prepare for the big meeting. If and when it happens. I say if as someone could come along and make it so that talks are put on hold, maybe indefinitely.

[Tekeristan]

Is anyone on. I'd just like to discuss some tactics to prepare for the big meeting. If and when it happens. I say if as someone could come along and make it so that talks are put on hold, maybe indefinitely.

Questions go to be.

It begins when more people accept the request or not. Yet to establish an official date. Otherwise, you can post about arrivals.

[Significance]

Is anyone on. I'd just like to discuss some tactics to prepare for the big meeting. If and when it happens. I say if as someone could come along and make it so that talks are put on hold, maybe indefinitely.

Questions go to be.

It begins when more people accept the request or not. Yet to establish an official date. Otherwise, you can post about arrivals.

So I can just turn up and wait. By that account I may be first there, depending on Ganos of course. Would you interact with people on your lands on just twiddle your thumbs till everyone arrives.

[Tekeristan]

The claim that a bunch of protesters would die over a rock blockade in the road is just stupid, sorry.

[Tekeristan]

Questions go to be.

It begins when more people accept the request or not. Yet to establish an official date. Otherwise, you can post about arrivals.

So I can just turn up and wait. By that account I may be first there, depending on Ganos of course. Would you interact with people on your lands on just twiddle your thumbs till everyone arrives.

You can arrive and wait, yes. You're free to move around Tekeristan in its entirety in the mean time, whether to visit its many natural parks or restaurants.

[Significance]

So I can just turn up and wait. By that account I may be first there, depending on Ganos of course. Would you interact with people on your lands on just twiddle your thumbs till everyone arrives.

You can arrive and wait, yes. You're free to move around Tekeristan in its entirety in the mean time, whether to visit its many natural parks or restaurants.

Yay. Maybe I can arrange some golf when others arrive, I hear it's good just before a big meeting like this one, calms the mood.

[Cardulan]

The claim that a bunch of protesters would die over a rock blockade in the road is just stupid, sorry.

Yeah, sorry! I agree, that just plain stupid! What's next? Protesters setting themselves on fire to trigger a national uprising? People - let alone women - just don't do that. They don't die for ideals. Never happened, never will. I mean it would look totally awesome but it is just too stupid for this RP. There have been such great examples of realistic behaviour!Stick to those next time - that would be totally not stupid.

[Tekeristan]

The claim that a bunch of protesters would die over a rock blockade in the road is just stupid, sorry.

Yeah, sorry! I agree, that just plain stupid! What's next? Protesters setting themselves on fire to trigger a national uprising? People - let alone women - just don't do that. They don't die for ideals. Never happened, never will. I mean it would look totally awesome but it is just too stupid for this RP. There have been such great examples of realistic behaviour!Stick to those next time - that would be totally not stupid.

>~>

I meant from them literately standing around a barricade and expecting to get mowed down in mass. That isn't the action of civilians, that's the action of fanatics. The burnings are usually done by one (usually fanatically devoted) person, not entire swarms of civilian people. In the original post, it said that 50 people would have to be just shot down in order for them to start moving. If we're pushing things at that level, then it just isn't fair for Ganos.

In other news, keep up with war crimes if you can Caracasus. Lest you fall behind there.

[Significance]

Yeah, sorry! I agree, that just plain stupid! What's next? Protesters setting themselves on fire to trigger a national uprising? People - let alone women - just don't do that. They don't die for ideals. Never happened, never will. I mean it would look totally awesome but it is just too stupid for this RP. There have been such great examples of realistic behaviour!Stick to those next time - that would be totally not stupid.

>~>

I meant from them literately standing around a barricade and expecting to get mowed down in mass. That isn't the action of civilians, that's the action of fanatics. The burnings are usually done by one (usually fanatically devoted) person, not entire swarms of civilian people. In the original post, it said that 50 people would have to be just shot down in order for them to start moving. If we're pushing things at that level, then it just isn't fair for Ganos.

In other news, keep up with war crimes if you can Caracasus. Lest you fall behind there.

From what I've read, Menthi seems to have a lot of fanatical groups. The ones that road block are the Karthos Soviet. We haven't really heard above Menthians just trying to get by, who are entirely neutral to all factions, and I think those neutrals will end up being the most important.

Also, I think some stuff I've done isn't 100% realistic, seeing as my ruler and those closest to him are pretty much resemble cowboys in the way they act. And if my first point stands, I think we can let Menthi off on the post.

[Caracasus]

Yeah, sorry! I agree, that just plain stupid! What's next? Protesters setting themselves on fire to trigger a national uprising? People - let alone women - just don't do that. They don't die for ideals. Never happened, never will. I mean it would look totally awesome but it is just too stupid for this RP. There have been such great examples of realistic behaviour!Stick to those next time - that would be totally not stupid.

>~>

I meant from them literately standing around a barricade and expecting to get mowed down in mass. That isn't the action of civilians, that's the action of fanatics. The burnings are usually done by one (usually fanatically devoted) person, not entire swarms of civilian people. In the original post, it said that 50 people would have to be just shot down in order for them to start moving. If we're pushing things at that level, then it just isn't fair for Ganos.

In other news, keep up with war crimes if you can Caracasus. Lest you fall behind there.

Where do you think fanatics come from? I think you're seeing a division between civilian and fanatic where there is none. Everyone has certain things, certain triggers that would lead them to commit great and sometimes terrible things, usually with the accompanying label of fanatic. For many, a brutal invasion followed by a nation turning up and ripping apart their culture, law and way of living may well produce such actions.

I also think that yes, should they be shot at the resolve of the group would most likely diminish a little - no matter. It'd still be a slaughter.

[Cardulan]

>~>

I meant from them literately standing around a barricade and expecting to get mowed down in mass. That isn't the action of civilians, that's the action of fanatics. The burnings are usually done by one (usually fanatically devoted) person, not entire swarms of civilian people. In the original post, it said that 50 people would have to be just shot down in order for them to start moving. If we're pushing things at that level, then it just isn't fair for Ganos.

In other news, keep up with war crimes if you can Caracasus. Lest you fall behind there.

Where do you think fanatics come from? I think you're seeing a division between civilian and fanatic where there is none. Everyone has certain things, certain triggers that would lead them to commit great and sometimes terrible things, usually with the accompanying label of fanatic. For many, a brutal invasion followed by a nation turning up and ripping apart their culture, law and way of living may well produce such actions.

I also think that yes, should they be shot at the resolve of the group would most likely diminish a little - no matter. It'd still be a slaughter.

Still, people won't just die over who is governing them. They just don't do that. I think this is a good way of preventing the protest to be godmoded away by teleport commandos or empty promises. I think hey will resist any attempt to subdue them but their braking-point is approximately 50. If you use tanks to capture the city you will be back in control in no time, if you don't the city will remain free. I don't think that 50 is a fixed number. If they start dying they are likely to rethink that but I guess otherwise they would just keep on defending their homes.