OOC: Things to do in Caracasus before you die (MT/PMT/Dip)

[Caracasus]

I'll be frank, I am trying to exert some sort of influence over Karthos's future development.
Although not in an exploitative manner..
But I suppose I'll see how such will turn out for me.

Why not? every other bugger is...

[Tekeristan]

I'll be frank, I am trying to exert some sort of influence over Karthos's future development.
Although not in an exploitative manner..
But I suppose I'll see how such will turn out for me.

Why not? every other bugger is...

There isn't really anything for Teker to gain through exploitation, nor do I think it has the capabilities to push much in the name of exploitation. So in combination with the risks involved, why try?

[Flauc]

Flauc has no interest to fight in Menthi. So, yeah. Most likely, Flauc won't let Significance come and dictate the rules. Flauc would be fine with a minor peacekeeping force.

Well as I see it I'll meet Balagan and Caracasus forces first, and so will likely talk with them first, with probably Parsoh being brought in by Balagan.

If we all agreed on a plan of action Balagan and Parsoh would likely be the ones convincing you to play along.

Look, I know you have an interest Menthi, but I want to help Tanaka too. The man is open to negotiation instead of being an anti communist like nino, or a warmonger like that other guy I can't remember the name of. This man could be the one who truly unites Menthi in peace, and has a good relation with the outside world.

But, you are now standing in the way of Menthi's safety, by dragging them into wars they never asked to be in. If you still want a strong Menthi, stand aside, and let me take a more diplomatic approach for them. You can even continue your 'war' because it is only you and Carosi then on the front lines.

And if you think Menthi will somehow help in the fight, not much I can say except your probably wrong.

But what do I know, I'm 'can't make their mind up' Significance.

Could you please read?

"Flauc has no interest to fight in Menthi."

=> "But, you are now standing in the way of Menthi's safety, by dragging them into wars they never asked to be in."

What...? I never even told Menthi to "you are gonna fight with me!". I am simply protecting them, because I guaranteed their independence, and well, in a way, Menthi is interesting to Flaucese business.

So, you think Flauc should let you in? Why should we? You fought against us in the past, and you have been switching sides constantly. How can we know you won't randomly swap sides and capture cities in Menthi?

And how will you meet Caracasusian forces first? They are (technically) on the border of Menthi-Caracasus (If I'm not mistaken) and some parts of the nation are under control by the FMLM and Retirada, while the Menthi-Parsoh border is controlled by Menthi.

Even if you come in and start peacekeeping, I doubt Malsti and Caracasus will end their strikes. They will only end them if I surrender, and if I surrender, Menthi becomes "The People's Republic of Menthi."

@Tekeristan

Yeah, assuming FMLM and Retirada can continue their control.. heh, who knows, Flauc might just raze Karthos to the ground this time.

[Tekeristan]

Tekeristan actually wishes to continue pursuing the '3 state solution' it had proposed some time back..
But they're not exactly in the position to make such demands, are they?

[Significance]

Why not? every other bugger is...

There isn't really anything for Teker to gain through exploitation, nor do I think it has the capabilities to push much in the name of exploitation. So in combination with the risks involved, why try?

Everyone's tied up with Flauc. We probably wouldn't notice some minor strange things happening. And if your thinking what I think your thinking, Maltsi would most likely be blamed for it anyway. Those guys are extremely aggressive.

[Watersville]

Tekeristan actually wishes to continue pursuing the '3 state solution' it had proposed some time back..
But they're not exactly in the position to make such demands, are they?

Three state solution reminds me of another conflict that many of us participated in...

[Caracasus]

Tekeristan actually wishes to continue pursuing the '3 state solution' it had proposed some time back..
But they're not exactly in the position to make such demands, are they?

Three state solution reminds me of another conflict that many of us participated in...

Well we've had chemical weapons, weird shit going down, war crimes, standoffs....

History repeats itself. First as a tragedy, second time as a farce.

[Caracasus]

There isn't really anything for Teker to gain through exploitation, nor do I think it has the capabilities to push much in the name of exploitation. So in combination with the risks involved, why try?

Everyone's tied up with Flauc. We probably wouldn't notice some minor strange things happening. And if your thinking what I think your thinking, Maltsi would most likely be blamed for it anyway. Those guys are extremely aggressive.

There are reasons for Malsti's aggression. Their neighbor, for instance...

[Tekeristan]

I think it is safe to assume at least Karthos will re-establish themselves..
Anyhow..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiPA4_d ... x67fVqQMw4
For Greater Tekeristan!

[Significance]

I think it is safe to assume at least Karthos will re-establish themselves..
Anyhow..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiPA4_d ... x67fVqQMw4
For Greater Tekeristan!

Well...I do have an alternative solution...

United States of Menthi anyone?

[Tekeristan]

Would any powers in Signifigance be interested in assisting a Teker nuclear program in the possible future?

There are rumors that Victor has minor intentions to acquire a small number..

[Flauc]

I think it is safe to assume at least Karthos will re-establish themselves..
Anyhow..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiPA4_d ... x67fVqQMw4
For Greater Tekeristan!

Well...I do have an alternative solution...

United States of Menthi anyone?

How about "Republic of Menthi"?

[Significance]

Well...I do have an alternative solution...

United States of Menthi anyone?

How about "Republic of Menthi"?

Good luck forever in war. There's this thing called compromise you might want to look at.

[Flauc]

How about "Republic of Menthi"?

Good luck forever in war. There's this thing called compromise you might want to look at.

Yeah, but aren't you the one who said he is gonna make Malsti and Caracasus stop attacking Menthi? Menthi is now a unitary state, so yeah, there'd be a unitary state..

[Carosi]

Would any powers in Signifigance be interested in assisting a Teker nuclear program in the possible future?

There are rumors that Victor has minor intentions to acquire a small number..

A state without nuclear arms is not a state. They are the only weapon that can not kill soldiers, only civilians. They show perfectly that no-one gives a single damn about morals. We have some fine friends who can help you become a respectable nation.

[Flauc]

Would any powers in Signifigance be interested in assisting a Teker nuclear program in the possible future?

There are rumors that Victor has minor intentions to acquire a small number..

A state without nuclear arms is not a state. They are the only weapon that can not kill soldiers, only civilians. They show perfectly that no-one gives a single damn about morals. We have some fine friends who can help you become a respectable nation.

Hehe, Flauc could help Tekeristan with a few agreements..

[Tekeristan]

Would any powers in Signifigance be interested in assisting a Teker nuclear program in the possible future?

There are rumors that Victor has minor intentions to acquire a small number..

A state without nuclear arms is not a state. They are the only weapon that can not kill soldiers, only civilians. They show perfectly that no-one gives a single damn about morals. We have some fine friends who can help you become a respectable nation.

Nukes can be used to target military targets, they aren't limited to civilian.
Nonetheless, Teker would only be interested in only a small retaliatory deterrent..
Should make things interesting with Card, no less

[Carosi]

A state without nuclear arms is not a state. They are the only weapon that can not kill soldiers, only civilians. They show perfectly that no-one gives a single damn about morals. We have some fine friends who can help you become a respectable nation.

Nukes can be used to target military targets, they aren't limited to civilian.
Nonetheless, Teker would only be interested in only a small retaliatory deterrent..
Should make things interesting with Card, no less

If you try hard enough you might some day really think that's true.

Flauc is a very good partner for that too, however they are close to Cardulan. We are not.

[Flauc]

Alright. I drew up a.. let's say, a better looking border and that stuff, I guess.. so, here is is. North is Caracasus, South is Flauc, yellow are those major highways and that transparent-ish dot is the Hepp Pass.

Caracasus, I would still like to debate about the location of Hepp Pass. Wouldn't Hepp Pass be too far from the other two roads for you to quickly 'relocate' to protect those roads? Because to be honest, it would make more sense (to me) for it to be a Maginot Line type fortress, because it doesn't make sense (to me) - if there's main highways drilled through big mountains near the Hepp Pass, why aren't any drilled on the other part of the country with mountains?

[Tekeristan]

Nukes can be used to target military targets, they aren't limited to civilian.
Nonetheless, Teker would only be interested in only a small retaliatory deterrent..
Should make things interesting with Card, no less

If you try hard enough you might some day really think that's true.

Flauc is a very good partner for that too, however they are close to Cardulan. We are not.

Indeed. Nonetheless, it would remain a goal in the eyes of Victor. After all, other nations, ones regarded with 'good' morals even, do have their own reserves.

Well.. I remember something along the lines of a Flauc ultimatium a while ago.. Teker isn't close to all 3.

[Flauc]

If you try hard enough you might some day really think that's true.

Flauc is a very good partner for that too, however they are close to Cardulan. We are not.

Indeed..

Well.. I remember something along the lines of a Flauc ultimatium a while ago.. Teker isn't close to all 3.

Tekeristan can forget that. We are willing to help Victor if he does a few favors for us. No, that is not becoming a puppet state

[Tekeristan]

Indeed..

Well.. I remember something along the lines of a Flauc ultimatium a while ago.. Teker isn't close to all 3.

Tekeristan can forget that. We are willing to help Victor if he does a few favors for us. No, that is not becoming a puppet state

Victor uses such an ultimatum to strengthen his own position, so..

[Significance]

A state without nuclear arms is not a state. They are the only weapon that can not kill soldiers, only civilians. They show perfectly that no-one gives a single damn about morals. We have some fine friends who can help you become a respectable nation.

Nukes can be used to target military targets, they aren't limited to civilian.
Nonetheless, Teker would only be interested in only a small retaliatory deterrent..
Should make things interesting with Card, no less

Significance's army essentially hands contracts to arms manufacturers who put forth there products for the army to choose from. The army sets the budget and the amount they want.

I'm sure if you placed an order, and if you had the money, you could buy the weapons. Then just reverse engineer them to build them yourself. But, beware of lawsuits.

And I think the type of nuke your looking for is the tactical nuke. As using nukes tends to resort to counter nuking, even if you used tactical and they used, well, proper nukes, I don't see much point in using nukes tactically. Defense is a different matter however, and by that I mean counter nuking.

[Tekeristan]

Way too much work as of late, but I managed to get this out.. No matter the exhaustion! x.x

During this weekend I'll work through the Carosi post (I'll work on it first.) and then the election stuff + perspectives I was asked about.

For now?
Sleep..

[Caracasus]

Well yes, you can use nuclear weapons against military targets - I can also use a car's engine to fry an egg. It doesn't change the fact that nuclear weapons are weapons whose main objective is to target and inflict massive civilian casualties on the enemy.

They are a way of saying "if you attack us we will massacre your people". I'd suggest looking at "the shrapnel academy" - an interesting read. Essentially it suggests that historically we have gone from military conflicts largely between chosen warriors (tribal fights seldom involved civilians) through to the modern day where civilians are the ones who would die in huge numbers in a war.