OOC: Things to do in Caracasus before you die (MT/PMT/Dip)

[Significance]

Sorry for not being on these last couple of days, but I'll try keeping up with everything that's going on.

I realise I've forgotten Tek in my post so need to know where they stand.

However the most important thing right now is please understand my decision to protect Menthi.

See why exactly attack them. The number for them, even with Flauc support, to attack back, is minimal, and your worst threat is on the border with Flauc.

I also don't think Tanaka isn't exactly pro war, correct me if there was a post but I think the reason he'll say he supports flauc is because flauc is his ally, not because he wants war.

So with that in mind I will protect Menthi from attacks. If Caracasus stops the attacks from happening, I probably will stay to guard the borders, but things won't escalate with Significance. Please be aware of this when you make your choices.

Finally, although my nation is closer to MT, I'd say I'm PMT as my tech is the cutting edge of MT. My nation has taken known tech and pushed it to its near limit. So while the technology has older origins, it can and will compete with the newer tech, it just won't look as cool.

I hope I have made myself clear.

[Tekeristan]

You have a question for me?

[Balagan]

Sorry for not being on these last couple of days, but I'll try keeping up with everything that's going on.

I realise I've forgotten Tek in my post so need to know where they stand.

However the most important thing right now is please understand my decision to protect Menthi.

See why exactly attack them. The number for them, even with Flauc support, to attack back, is minimal, and your worst threat is on the border with Flauc.

I also don't think Tanaka isn't exactly pro war, correct me if there was a post but I think the reason he'll say he supports flauc is because flauc is his ally, not because he wants war.

So with that in mind I will protect Menthi from attacks. If Caracasus stops the attacks from happening, I probably will stay to guard the borders, but things won't escalate with Significance. Please be aware of this when you make your choices.

Finally, although my nation is closer to MT, I'd say I'm PMT as my tech is the cutting edge of MT. My nation has taken known tech and pushed it to its near limit. So while the technology has older origins, it can and will compete with the newer tech, it just won't look as cool.

I hope I have made myself clear.

Balagan is on our own side. The new ruler in Flauc appears very, very weak. His actions are like those of the dictators in Argentina, some last resort move to distract from his weakness. To the world it looks as if he has murdered the old general, even though Flauc has changed it again it still looks like it. His plane was shot down with the approval of the Flauc military. The new leader is the one who benefited the most. No-one thinks that it was Caracasus and his rejection of an inquiry into the death makes it even more obvious that he is behind it.

I love it how Significance changes its alligance every other post. However, there is no way to land any troops in Menthi. Keep that in mind.

[Significance]

Balagan is on our own side. The new ruler in Flauc appears very, very weak. His actions are like those of the dictators in Argentina, some last resort move to distract from his weakness. To the world it looks as if he has murdered the old general, even though Flauc has changed it again it still looks like it. His plane was shot down with the approval of the Flauc military. The new leader is the one who benefited the most. No-one thinks that it was Caracasus and his rejection of an inquiry into the death makes it even more obvious that he is behind it.

I love it how Significance changes its alligance every other post. However, there is no way to land any troops in Menthi. Keep that in mind.

Ok, yes you may be on your own side but as far as my nation is concerned your anti flauc now so an uneasy alliance is likely.

And who I side with has been decided by who's in charge. Penny wanted neutrality after the bloodshed, and she's in Carosi (and harry is in Caracasus for now), but Legion, who has the Prime Ministers backing, wants to be on the right side, which he believes is protecting the innocent country of Menthi.

You might say I'm not siding with Flauc, just helping them protect Menthi, because we both want to do that.

Oh, and you could say I'm on the side of the Menthian citezens.

Also about landing troops, I will have LSTs to do a naval landing. I'll only be in Menthian water, and I think Flauc will let me in to help Menthi. My only problem arises if someone else attacks, and the navy I am now sending is pretty good.

Also even if the attacker won against my navy, I doubt it would look good for them as they'd be the aggressor.

[Balagan]

Well, I won't let you get anywhere close to threatening Parsoh or landing troops in Menthi to prepare for an invasion of Parsoh. If you get too close we will sink your fleet. It is strictly business. What about the people of Karthos who don't want to be part of Menthi and whos independence Significance did guarantee?

[Significance]

Well, I won't let you get anywhere close to threatening Parsoh or landing troops in Menthi to prepare for an invasion of Parsoh. If you get too close we will sink your fleet. It is strictly business. What about the people of Karthos who don't want to be part of Menthi and whos independence Significance did guarantee?

I wouldn't blame them if they were angry at my nation. I will try to calm them down. At least I tried to defend them, it just ended badly for me. Caracasus might as well have done nothing, and it their ally as far as I'm aware that is bombarding them, killing innocent lives no doubt.

I think they'd prefer Tanaka supported by Significance then death by Caracasus and their allies.

Of course if they start shooting at us I'll shoot back, but try to wound not kill. Perhaps bring in a non lethal police force to quell them, we shall see.

As for you attacking the fleet, wouldn't you be assuming I threaten Parsoh, as I've stated I'm protecting Menthi.

I can negotiate with you instead you know, I'm willing to do that. I will only fire if fired at. Perhaps you can watch over us to ensure we don't attack Parsoh. Of course if Parsoh attacks Menthi, then we have a conflict of interests, but that would be Parsohs fault.

[Flauc]

Having Significance land in Menthi will only make the supply situation even worse.



I will probably allow Significance peacekeep, but with small numbers and under the authority of Flauc and Menthi.

[Significance]

Having Significance land in Menthi will only make the supply situation even worse.



I will probably allow Significance peacekeep, but with small numbers and under the authority of Flauc and Menthi.

I'd also thought about that. Flauc is allowed to keep an eye on our forces, however we will be working with Menthi only when in comes to defence.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Menthi hasn't tried to invade anyone yet and I doubt even after the attacks it will try to, so I trust that if I work with them, I won't be told to attack (unless to gain back taken land of course), whereas if I start taking orders from Flauc, I may be asked between the choice of attacking into say Caracasus, or being shot at by Flauc, and I'd rather not get into a situation like that.

So you can watch and I talk to Menthi on my own terms.

But first I have to negotiate with Balagan and Parsoh.

Balagan to be allowed past their navy and Parsoh because, while I can bring in supplies via LSTs, it would be nice to have a port to access. I also want to convince them I'm not their enemy.

This could be interesting, as a lot of people don't like you now. Perhaps you'll have to give up Menthi to me to take some of the pressure off hm. Although if I was working as close with Menthi as you are, we would be listening to Menthi rather than them listening to us.

[Caracasus]

You would also have to get your fleet through Caracasus...

OOC -

Caracasus is under attack - the only reasons that Flauc's rockets haven't been attacked in retaliation is a desire not to kill off a bunch of working class soldiers who just happened to be in the wrong army. Caracasus doesn't much like wars - the slogan "A bayonett is a weapon with a worker on both ends" is important here. Secondly, a full blown war with Flauc could spiral out of control.

And of course, there hasn't actually been an update on the rocket attacks yet.

However... Flauc has soldiers and ships stationed in and around Menthi. Like any nation, Caracasus needs to protect its borders. The Fourth Fleet is in international waters outside Menthi, with the Flaucian fleet under observation. If it looks like the Flaucian naval detatchment is on the move, or preparing some sort of launch, then the Fourth fleet will attack it.

I also understand somewhat Balagan's position. With Flauc so obviously pulling the strings of Menthi, a conflict between Caracasus and Flauc that threatens to spill over into Menthi places Parsoh in a perilous position.

With no deepwater ports, Significance forces will have a hard time entering Menthi. It might be possible to work out a deal with Parsoh and Balagan - although both players are going to be weighing up the benefits to them. It should not need to be said that Caracasus would not allow them to go through Quoris - especially after the Prime Minister's declaration.

It will all depend on what happens next I imagine.

[Flauc]

Having Significance land in Menthi will only make the supply situation even worse.



I will probably allow Significance peacekeep, but with small numbers and under the authority of Flauc and Menthi.

I'd also thought about that. Flauc is allowed to keep an eye on our forces, however we will be working with Menthi only when in comes to defence.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Menthi hasn't tried to invade anyone yet and I doubt even after the attacks it will try to, so I trust that if I work with them, I won't be told to attack (unless to gain back taken land of course), whereas if I start taking orders from Flauc, I may be asked between the choice of attacking into say Caracasus, or being shot at by Flauc, and I'd rather not get into a situation like that.

So you can watch and I talk to Menthi on my own terms.

But first I have to negotiate with Balagan and Parsoh.

Balagan to be allowed past their navy and Parsoh because, while I can bring in supplies via LSTs, it would be nice to have a port to access. I also want to convince them I'm not their enemy.

This could be interesting, as a lot of people don't like you now. Perhaps you'll have to give up Menthi to me to take some of the pressure off hm. Although if I was working as close with Menthi as you are, we would be listening to Menthi rather than them listening to us.

I doubt Menthi would welcome you with wide and open arms, considering you fought against the MFLM and have been constantly switching sides.

Flauc doesn't need Significance to attack Caracasus or whatever. I have a navy next to Menthi too.

Caracasus, what if the Flaucese Forces in Menthi state they have no intention in attacking Caracasus VIA Menthi?

[Caracasus]

Caracasus, what if the Flaucese Forces in Menthi state they have no intention in attacking Caracasus VIA Menthi?

I don't think they will be believed. Would you? Flauc's already launched a sneak attack.

[Flauc]

Caracasus, what if the Flaucese Forces in Menthi state they have no intention in attacking Caracasus VIA Menthi?

I don't think they will be believed. Would you? Flauc's already launched a sneak attack.

It would be pretty detrimental to the war effort if I said "hehe we are gonna declare war, have time to prepare!"

EDIT: What if I announced a cease fire for civilians to evacuate and hosted a conference in Flauc? Except, uhh.. your characters might end up becoming hostages.

[Caracasus]

I don't think they will be believed. Would you? Flauc's already launched a sneak attack.

It would be pretty detrimental to the war effort if I said "hehe we are gonna declare war, have time to prepare!"

EDIT: What if I announced a cease fire for civilians to evacuate and hosted a conference in Flauc? Except, uhh.. your characters might end up becoming hostages.

International law requires that war is declared. Sneak attacks go against international law.

We would send delegates of course. A cease fire would be a good idea. If our diplomats were held hostage, it is likely that a much larger scale war would very swiftly follow.

[Flauc]

It would be pretty detrimental to the war effort if I said "hehe we are gonna declare war, have time to prepare!"

EDIT: What if I announced a cease fire for civilians to evacuate and hosted a conference in Flauc? Except, uhh.. your characters might end up becoming hostages.

International law requires that war is declared. Sneak attacks go against international law.

We would send delegates of course. A cease fire would be a good idea. If our diplomats were held hostage, it is likely that a much larger scale war would very swiftly follow.

And of course, after that, a death of those hostages. Or maybe I could force them to sign a peace treaty that gives most of Osirio and Hepp Pass to Flauc.. hehe

[Caracasus]

International law requires that war is declared. Sneak attacks go against international law.

We would send delegates of course. A cease fire would be a good idea. If our diplomats were held hostage, it is likely that a much larger scale war would very swiftly follow.

And of course, after that, a death of those hostages. Or maybe I could force them to sign a peace treaty that gives most of Osirio and Hepp Pass to Flauc.. hehe

You could but the treaty wouldn't be worth anything if it was signed under threat of torture. It'd also have to be ratified by Caracasus....

[Flauc]

And of course, after that, a death of those hostages. Or maybe I could force them to sign a peace treaty that gives most of Osirio and Hepp Pass to Flauc.. hehe

You could but the treaty wouldn't be worth anything if it was signed under threat of torture. It'd also have to be ratified by Caracasus....

Right. Oh well, I need to think what is best for Flauc.

[Significance]

Ok so to make in clear.

I suppose I've been switching sides due to what's going on inside my country, but I will claim that Tanaka is a reasonable man and is surely open to negotiation.

And Legion isn't stupid, he isn't just going to attack. If the other nations decide not to outright fire at me (I'm looking at you Maltsi), I am willing to negotiate. Perhaps we can do it in Parsoh like balagan suggested to Flauc.

My current idea is a deal where we replace Flauc forces with Significance forces, with a third party to watch over them, likely Balagan or Parsoh. Then I would ensure peace for Menthi, or at least try.

Then Flauc, Caracasus, Carosi, and Maltsi can fight as much as they like, as long as they leave Menthi out of it.

[Flauc]

Ok so to make in clear.

I suppose I've been switching sides due to what's going on inside my country, but I will claim that Tanaka is a reasonable man and is surely open to negotiation.

And Legion isn't stupid, he isn't just going to attack. If the other nations decide not to outright fire at me (I'm looking at you Maltsi), I am willing to negotiate. Perhaps we can do it in Parsoh like balagan suggested to Flauc.

My current idea is a deal where we replace Flauc forces with Significance forces, with a third party to watch over them, likely Balagan or Parsoh. Then I would ensure peace for Menthi, or at least try.

Then Flauc, Caracasus, Carosi, and Maltsi can fight as much as they like, as long as they leave Menthi out of it.

Flauc has no interest to fight in Menthi. So, yeah. Most likely, Flauc won't let Significance come and dictate the rules. Flauc would be fine with a minor peacekeeping force.

[Caracasus]

This always puts me in an armageddony sort of mood. Kinda fits in places:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8aH3YJGhwU

[Flauc]

This always puts me in an armageddony sort of mood. Kinda fits in places:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8aH3YJGhwU

You should look up East vs West soundtracks and click on the playlist. Unfinished game by Paradox, but amazing music. "Kevin MacLeod - All This" is also cool, and to me sounds like a soundtrack to a peace conference, war beginning or something along those lines.

[Caracasus]

This always puts me in an armageddony sort of mood. Kinda fits in places:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8aH3YJGhwU

You should look up East vs West soundtracks and click on the playlist. Unfinished game by Paradox, but amazing music. "Kevin MacLeod - All This" is also cool, and to me sounds like a soundtrack to a peace conference, war beginning or something along those lines.

Yeah - sounds a little like some of the Pirates soundtracks... not bad!

[Flauc]

You should look up East vs West soundtracks and click on the playlist. Unfinished game by Paradox, but amazing music. "Kevin MacLeod - All This" is also cool, and to me sounds like a soundtrack to a peace conference, war beginning or something along those lines.

Yeah - sounds a little like some of the Pirates soundtracks... not bad!

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Pirates soundtracks?

[Significance]

Flauc has no interest to fight in Menthi. So, yeah. Most likely, Flauc won't let Significance come and dictate the rules. Flauc would be fine with a minor peacekeeping force.

Well as I see it I'll meet Balagan and Caracasus forces first, and so will likely talk with them first, with probably Parsoh being brought in by Balagan.

If we all agreed on a plan of action Balagan and Parsoh would likely be the ones convincing you to play along.

Look, I know you have an interest Menthi, but I want to help Tanaka too. The man is open to negotiation instead of being an anti communist like nino, or a warmonger like that other guy I can't remember the name of. This man could be the one who truly unites Menthi in peace, and has a good relation with the outside world.

But, you are now standing in the way of Menthi's safety, by dragging them into wars they never asked to be in. If you still want a strong Menthi, stand aside, and let me take a more diplomatic approach for them. You can even continue your 'war' because it is only you and Carosi then on the front lines.

And if you think Menthi will somehow help in the fight, not much I can say except your probably wrong.

But what do I know, I'm 'can't make their mind up' Significance.

[Caracasus]

Yeah - sounds a little like some of the Pirates soundtracks... not bad!

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Pirates soundtracks?

Pirates of the Carribean films - Hans Zimmer as composer. The films are OK enough, with some awesome scenes to be fair, but the music is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDmOActAPxM (One of my favourite scenes)

[Tekeristan]

I'll be frank, I am trying to exert some sort of influence over Karthos's future development.
Although not in an exploitative manner..
But I suppose I'll see how such will turn out for me.