OOC: Things to do in Caracasus before you die (MT/PMT/Dip)

[Flauc]

Significance, this is not how you really deal with aggressive nations. If you take an island, well, nothing good happens from that. The result is war.

Democratic states usually don't go to war to show that "we are strong" and that "we got a point". Attacking someone won't make them stop war. France telling Germany to stop attacking Poland didn't really work out, did it?

The point is, if you take the islands, nothing stops.

First of all, I have this thing standing in your way. It's called a navy. Even if you manage to capture the island, you'll have to supply your troops there, and because of that, I will probably blockade the island and wait until your troops starve. If I can't do that, then I just destroy them with rockets or SRBMs, that stuff.


The result, most likely, would be dead soldiers and you at war with Flauc. That changes nothing, really..

I won't be even going at war with Caracasus officially, and I don't even know if I will be at war.

I do not know if I have any 'uninhabited' islands. I'll need to think.


Significance, I'm sorry but "top notch equipment" means nothing to me.

[Significance]

Significance, this is not how you really deal with aggressive nations. If you take an island, well, nothing good happens from that. The result is war.

Democratic states usually don't go to war to show that "we are strong" and that "we got a point". Attacking someone won't make them stop war. France telling Germany to stop attacking Poland didn't really work out, did it?

The point is, if you take the islands, nothing stops.

First of all, I have this thing standing in your way. It's called a navy. Even if you manage to capture the island, you'll have to supply your troops there, and because of that, I will probably blockade the island and wait until your troops starve. If I can't do that, then I just destroy them with rockets or SRBMs, that stuff.


The result, most likely, would be dead soldiers and you at war with Flauc. That changes nothing, really..

I won't be even going at war with Caracasus officially, and I don't even know if I will be at war.

I do not know if I have any 'uninhabited' islands. I'll need to think.


Significance, I'm sorry but "top notch equipment" means nothing to me.

Well I guess if you hide your attacks well, I don't have reason to send troops to you do I.

But if you do something I'll do it back to you. I am ready for war, I will not be a pushover. Sure you might be able to stop my forces destroying you, but it works in reverse, even more so.

I'm an island nation. Look at when Germany wanted to invade Britain. Or better yet, when America wanted to invade Japan. An island nation will be hard to invade with normal forces, but my nation spends a lot on military, which will make it even harder.

Oh and if you touch a nuke expect one back, maybe more.

[Flauc]

Significance, this is not how you really deal with aggressive nations. If you take an island, well, nothing good happens from that. The result is war.

Democratic states usually don't go to war to show that "we are strong" and that "we got a point". Attacking someone won't make them stop war. France telling Germany to stop attacking Poland didn't really work out, did it?

The point is, if you take the islands, nothing stops.

First of all, I have this thing standing in your way. It's called a navy. Even if you manage to capture the island, you'll have to supply your troops there, and because of that, I will probably blockade the island and wait until your troops starve. If I can't do that, then I just destroy them with rockets or SRBMs, that stuff.


The result, most likely, would be dead soldiers and you at war with Flauc. That changes nothing, really..

I won't be even going at war with Caracasus officially, and I don't even know if I will be at war.

I do not know if I have any 'uninhabited' islands. I'll need to think.


Significance, I'm sorry but "top notch equipment" means nothing to me.

Well I guess if you hide your attacks well, I don't have reason to send troops to you do I.

But if you do something I'll do it back to you. I am ready for war, I will not be a pushover. Sure you might be able to stop my forces destroying you, but it works in reverse, even more so.

I'm an island nation. Look at when Germany wanted to invade Britain. Or better yet, when America wanted to invade Japan. An island nation will be hard to invade with normal forces, but my nation spends a lot on military, which will make it even harder.

Oh and if you touch a nuke expect one back, maybe more.

Look, I am not 'crazy as heck brainwashed country led by crazy madman who wants to watch the world burn'.

Marela is not crazy. He knows who he can fight with. He knows he could give Significance a bloody nose, but Significance is not on his "enemy list". Biggest enemies of Flauc are Caracasus, Malsti, Tekeristan. Tekeristan is kinda a less-enemy now, because Flauc knows very well that they are gonna be gunned down.

Yes, but Flauc /=/ Germany. Flauc has a strong navy and a capable army and air force. The Germans mostly focused on their army. Of course, do not suppose the Flaucese Army is weak. Flauc knows very well that it can't beat Caracasus, so we aren't gonna invade with the objective of "capture their capital and destroy their morale". The morale part, maybe yes, but not the "march to their capital" thing. Flauc, at the moment, has no interests in taking Jevellit, because Flauc knows, very well, that Caracasus is a formidable enemy.

It's not about hiding forces or whatever. It's about how attacking nation #1 won't stop nation #1 from attacking the nation #2, and you are a target of nation #1 by attacking them.

[Significance]

Well I guess if you hide your attacks well, I don't have reason to send troops to you do I.

But if you do something I'll do it back to you. I am ready for war, I will not be a pushover. Sure you might be able to stop my forces destroying you, but it works in reverse, even more so.

I'm an island nation. Look at when Germany wanted to invade Britain. Or better yet, when America wanted to invade Japan. An island nation will be hard to invade with normal forces, but my nation spends a lot on military, which will make it even harder.

Oh and if you touch a nuke expect one back, maybe more.

Look, I am not 'crazy as heck brainwashed country led by crazy madman who wants to watch the world burn'.

Marela is not crazy. He knows who he can fight with. He knows he could give Significance a bloody nose, but Significance is not on his "enemy list". Biggest enemies of Flauc are Caracasus, Malsti, Tekeristan. Tekeristan is kinda a less-enemy now, because Flauc knows very well that they are gonna be gunned down.

Yes, but Flauc /=/ Germany. Flauc has a strong navy and a capable army and air force. The Germans mostly focused on their army. Of course, do not suppose the Flaucese Army is weak. Flauc knows very well that it can't beat Caracasus, so we aren't gonna invade with the objective of "capture their capital and destroy their morale". The morale part, maybe yes, but not the "march to their capital" thing. Flauc, at the moment, has no interests in taking Jevellit, because Flauc knows, very well, that Caracasus is a formidable enemy.

It's not about hiding forces or whatever. It's about how attacking nation #1 won't stop nation #1 from attacking the nation #2, and you are a target of nation #1 by attacking them.

Ok firstly I also talked about Japan vs America. Japan was a weaker nation and America still calculated 500,000 losses from the assualt. In WW 2 that was a lot for such a, at the time, weak nation. That's why Japan was nuked.

So vs me, who's own navy isn't what one you'd call "weak", and heavily armoured ground forces, just think how many you'd lose.

Anyway, I'm not saying I will be the aggressor, I'm trying to say whatever you try, expect a similar response back.

For instance I could just send troops to the Caracasus border to push your forces back, or maybe do a naval blockade until you back down. If these make you declare war on me, prepare for war.

This isn't about the actual fight, it's about postures and posturing.

[Tekeristan]

What does invading an island with nothing on it gain you other than risk?

[Significance]

What does invading an island with nothing on it gain you other than risk?

It was an idea.

Flauc has pointed out multiple times it doesn't want war. He also states he wants land off Caracasus. I take some of his to make him feel like Caracasus, with a declaration, back down or these are ours now. If he doesn't want to go to war he'd do as he was told.

Other plans can be made.

[Tekeristan]

What does invading an island with nothing on it gain you other than risk?

It was an idea.

Flauc has pointed out multiple times it doesn't want war. He also states he wants land off Caracasus. I take some of his to make him feel like Caracasus, with a declaration, back down or these are ours now. If he doesn't want to go to war he'd do as he was told.

Other plans can be made.

Well.. He won't get land off of Teker.

[Flauc]

Significance, I seriously doubt that your people are going to be supportive a government that throws them at a war out of a blue just because they "feel like it" and because of "posturing". I also see that your nation's leader is seen as a god - basically, if your leader says "hey we're gonna go to war because we feel like it.", your people agree, even if Significanceans die without a cause. Caracasusians generally don't like Flauc - despite that, they don't go chanting "war war war" every time Flauc does something they do not like.

You might call me a hypocrite, but I am not one. My country has banned communist parties, literature, and is an enemy of communism, and also a member state of SACTO. Despite that, my country still has communist resistance groups, riots, protests, and people that don't really support the new governments (Marela even more so), and has regions fighting for independence/autonomy.

Onto the next topic.

Blockades.. well, they don't really work like that. I have a navy, which will do it's best to make sure you can't do a blockade. By the way, Flauc is pretty big.. and so far, I'm thinking Democratic Republic of Congo big. And let's not forget that if you do a blockade, most nations will be angry at you. Why? Because they can't trade with Flauc anymore without your military standing in their way.

If you say:

"Yeah, but I'll let them through!"

Uhm, what does that change? Flauc get's it's food, supplies, and it doesn't need anything 'military' now. So.. nothing happens. And to be honest, I am confident that in a blockade, SACTO would come and kick you out of my waters so they can trade with me. Let's not forget you aren't close to my nation, so your navy would have to travel for reinforcements, for quite a while I think.

Japan was not weak in WW2. And listen, we are talking about you blockading/attacking me, not me attacking/blockading you.

[Significance]

Significance, I seriously doubt that your people are going to be supportive a government that throws them at a war out of a blue just because they "feel like it" and because of "posturing". I also see that your nation's leader is seen as a god - basically, if your leader says "hey we're gonna go to war because we feel like it.", your people agree, even if Significanceans die without a cause. Caracasusians generally don't like Flauc - despite that, they don't go chanting "war war war" every time Flauc does something they do not like.

You might call me a hypocrite, but I am not one. My country has banned communist parties, literature, and is an enemy of communism, and also a member state of SACTO. Despite that, my country still has communist resistance groups, riots, protests, and people that don't really support the new governments (Marela even more so), and has regions fighting for independence/autonomy.

Onto the next topic.

Blockades.. well, they don't really work like that. I have a navy, which will do it's best to make sure you can't do a blockade. By the way, Flauc is pretty big.. and so far, I'm thinking Democratic Republic of Congo big. And let's not forget that if you do a blockade, most nations will be angry at you. Why? Because they can't trade with Flauc anymore without your military standing in their way.

If you say:

"Yeah, but I'll let them through!"

Uhm, what does that change? Flauc get's it's food, supplies, and it doesn't need anything 'military' now. So.. nothing happens. And to be honest, I am confident that in a blockade, SACTO would come and kick you out of my waters so they can trade with me. Let's not forget you aren't close to my nation, so your navy would have to travel for reinforcements, for quite a while I think.

Japan was not weak in WW2. And listen, we are talking about you blockading/attacking me, not me attacking/blockading you.

One thing you ignore. Propaganda. If the country is told that a democratic nation like Caracasus is being attacked, then why shouldn't we help them to protect democracy.

And I'm not saying I will do something, I'm merely discussing what options I have. Seems Flauc is this unstoppable monster who gets what they want. Glad Caracasus is trying to put a stop to that.

Maybe I'll watch events and think, maybe I should side with Flauc. Penny would be annoyed but as I said, this is Legion, he does what he wants, especially with Penny in Carosi, and Harry at Indigo (what happened to that anyway).

Point is, I'm debating. You almost aren't. Give me some slack, I'm trying to compromise. Just because you want to win doesn't mean you can't compromise.

[Significance]

Watersville just gave me an excellent idea.

[Tekeristan]

Hey Waters,

The mines are typically de-activated during 'peacetime', but such can be pushed into a 'malfunction' section of sorts.

But.. Did I make a post about laying mines as of late? O~o

A sneak peak into the conditions of the 400 would be interesting..

[Flauc]

Tekeristan, didn't you plant mines when you got some kind of threats, or something else..?

Oh and, you guys are free to speculate why I'm making a map with lots of colors..

[Tekeristan]

Tekeristan, didn't you plant mines when you got some kind of threats, or something else..?

Oh and, you guys are free to speculate why I'm making a map with lots of colors..

(Image)

AH! That post. No wonder I couldn't find it.
I believe that post was allowed to be put on 'hold' by Caracasus, heh..
So, judging from what has transpired, such events listed as 'on hold' didn't transpire..

(Mind shooting me an imgur link? Such doesn't load here. :/ )

[Watersville]

Tekeristan, didn't you plant mines when you got some kind of threats, or something else..?

Oh and, you guys are free to speculate why I'm making a map with lots of colors..

(Image)

AH! That post. No wonder I couldn't find it.
I believe that post was allowed to be put on 'hold' by Caracasus, heh..
So, judging from what has transpired, such events listed as 'on hold' didn't transpire..

(Mind shooting me an imgur link? Such doesn't load here. :/ )

Oh. I just realized that i was thinking of the same post... I will change it here in a few minutes. Sorry about that, should have looked into the details a bit more.

UPDATE: fixed the post

[Victores]

Some country invaded I think it was like Waters something. Then another country invaded and there was this random war. I was involved in a war against pirates. Then another war or something started and the whole thing devolved into violence or something.

[Watersville]

Some country invaded I think it was like Waters something. Then another country invaded and there was this random war. I was involved in a war against pirates. Then another war or something started and the whole thing devolved into violence or something.

Ok...

Not much, but i think that i understand where you left off... maybe...

Was this when Caracasus and I thought that Balagan were going to invade me and Tekeristan lost a cargo ship to the pirates, and Parosh invaded Peni? If not, then i will need a little more info...

[Significance]

Some country invaded I think it was like Waters something. Then another country invaded and there was this random war. I was involved in a war against pirates. Then another war or something started and the whole thing devolved into violence or something.

I think what your saying is: Carosi invaded first and took a chunk of Menthi. Parsoh then took over the rest of Menthi and sold it off. The eventual buyer, Ganos Lao, got pushed back by the locals, and the locals then started bickering amongst themselves.

[Balagan]

Some country invaded I think it was like Waters something. Then another country invaded and there was this random war. I was involved in a war against pirates. Then another war or something started and the whole thing devolved into violence or something.

I think what your saying is: Carosi invaded first and took a chunk of Menthi. Parsoh then took over the rest of Menthi and sold it off. The eventual buyer, Ganos Lao, got pushed back by the locals, and the locals then started bickering amongst themselves.

Parsoh went in first, Carosi used the chance and followed.

[Flauc]

Significance, I seriously doubt that your people are going to be supportive a government that throws them at a war out of a blue just because they "feel like it" and because of "posturing". I also see that your nation's leader is seen as a god - basically, if your leader says "hey we're gonna go to war because we feel like it.", your people agree, even if Significanceans die without a cause. Caracasusians generally don't like Flauc - despite that, they don't go chanting "war war war" every time Flauc does something they do not like.

You might call me a hypocrite, but I am not one. My country has banned communist parties, literature, and is an enemy of communism, and also a member state of SACTO. Despite that, my country still has communist resistance groups, riots, protests, and people that don't really support the new governments (Marela even more so), and has regions fighting for independence/autonomy.

Onto the next topic.

Blockades.. well, they don't really work like that. I have a navy, which will do it's best to make sure you can't do a blockade. By the way, Flauc is pretty big.. and so far, I'm thinking Democratic Republic of Congo big. And let's not forget that if you do a blockade, most nations will be angry at you. Why? Because they can't trade with Flauc anymore without your military standing in their way.

If you say:

"Yeah, but I'll let them through!"

Uhm, what does that change? Flauc get's it's food, supplies, and it doesn't need anything 'military' now. So.. nothing happens. And to be honest, I am confident that in a blockade, SACTO would come and kick you out of my waters so they can trade with me. Let's not forget you aren't close to my nation, so your navy would have to travel for reinforcements, for quite a while I think.

Japan was not weak in WW2. And listen, we are talking about you blockading/attacking me, not me attacking/blockading you.

One thing you ignore. Propaganda. If the country is told that a democratic nation like Caracasus is being attacked, then why shouldn't we help them to protect democracy.

And I'm not saying I will do something, I'm merely discussing what options I have. Seems Flauc is this unstoppable monster who gets what they want. Glad Caracasus is trying to put a stop to that.

Maybe I'll watch events and think, maybe I should side with Flauc. Penny would be annoyed but as I said, this is Legion, he does what he wants, especially with Penny in Carosi, and Harry at Indigo (what happened to that anyway).

Point is, I'm debating. You almost aren't. Give me some slack, I'm trying to compromise. Just because you want to win doesn't mean you can't compromise.

At this moment I am having likely destabilization. Is that playing to win? Furthermore I am now debating with Caracasus an alternative ideas of Flaucian power projection.

From what I see, you've moved from a debate to accusing Flauc of playing to win and not compromising. Please stop escalating this by accusing me.

Significance, you can do what you wish. Attack an uninhabited island, blockade us, but the Flaucese Navy will contest the blockade/attack.

This debate ends here, lets not create more tension in the OOC. If you want to continue, TG me.
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Anyways, I will be posting today (possibly).

[Tekeristan]

No info on the invest, I guess. :/

[Cardulan]

They are doing just fine. I expect a lot more sabotage from now on so they will naturally take much, much longer. They had to begin anew after the latest incidents of terrorism. I don't have much time at the moment. If you need to know something you ask here or tg.

Upcoming posts are:
-Carosi
-Monastary
-Yohan
-Flauc - Caracasus
-Carosi
-Investigations report

In that order -if things along the border don't escalate. Just a few more days.

[Tekeristan]

As a player - the faster, the better. General wish to move on, remove the stress of such, and etc.
Right now it is holding back a LOT of what I can do as a player right now. So.. Yea.
:/

[Cardulan]

What stress? You can continue just normal, can't you?
Why's that? What are your plans?

[Tekeristan]

What stress? You can continue just normal, can't you?
Why's that? What are your plans?

Not exactly, no. Gov't can't exactly do much of anything in what would be usually classified as 'secret' without very close cooperation in the general staff through words. (Which is what is happening with the bunkers right now.)

Well.. After the 'leave', the elections will occur.
They.. Won't exactly tolerate any interference with the elections. :|

Regardless, the GTP will be elected, pretty much guaranteed. They're most likely going to cease reparations & cut all ties with Card, as well as a few with Caracasus. Although they aren't exactly any direct claims on that, they aren't stupid. They know the Card invests would go after them regardless of how much of a disaster that would be for them. So they're waiting.

From there.. Patriotic Tekeri, heheh.

In class, this is REALLY work in progress

In a nuthsel.. I wanna do stuff! This is stopping me!

Just give me your thoughts. The elections would probably start before they leave.. The main question is whether Cardulan interferes in them or not. When they DO leave, because that is a strong part of the whole direction of things.

For now.. I'll handle election-competition stuff.

[Carosi]

@Significance: No, I'm sorry. Not possible. Either she is mortal like anybody else or you send a substitute.

@Flauc&Tekeristan: Send in your stuff, including the reason for Elena's death-wish.