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A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]

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Postby Flauc » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:04 am

Caracasus wrote:
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Yes because despite 90% of your forces being at the other end of the country, your glorious red army can hold back a large push with very little forces. One man is equivalent to 50 flauc men.

I'm joking of course, but I don't see how it's a bad plan compared to his other idea. It worked once on Karthos, maybe it could work again.

But what do I know about your forces, there invincible right?


They're not invincible... what you've got to remember is that the Caracasusian army is going to be fighting a defensive war that they know (or strongly suspect) is coming. They've picked their positions, they've put into operation their weapons and equipment and they've secured vast areas of their border. Defensive battles are always easier on the defender - even more so if they know they're coming. There might well be instances where one Caracasusian soldier is worth fifty Flaucians... because the Caracasusian soldier is five miles away from their base, supplies, artillery backup and air support and the Flaucians are having to build FOB's in not great territory.

A border conflict isn't going to be about capturing territory, that's going to prove impossible on both sides. Don't forget, Flauc's also going to commit a lot of their army to defending the southern border. It's going to be airstrikes, artillery (maybe). Flauc's concept of rocket exchanges and perhaps limited airstrikes etc. before both sides realise that they've "made their point" makes a lot more sense.


Caracasus, the same for me.. you have the defender advantage, but I have everything else as well. The Osirio mountains stretch into Caracasus as well, and I believe it is possible to build bases in mountains.

They are expecting it, but they do not know at what time, what day and what hour and second. Let's not forget the bureaucracy of Caracasus and the fact suddenly soldiers storming borders and rockets bombing them, well, I think it will be some time when Caracasus recovers from a headache.

Of course, this is an RP. If you don't want a war where Flauc seizes some land, then we don't need to do it. It could be as you say - launch some rockets and kill some people until sides have made their point.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:33 am

Fair enough. I'm just amazed to be honest. I genuinely wasn't expecting someone to take a pop at Caracasus... a proxy war? Sure - an actual war? Less so.
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Postby Flauc » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:37 am

Caracasus wrote:Fair enough. I'm just amazed to be honest. I genuinely wasn't expecting someone to take a pop at Caracasus... a proxy war? Sure - an actual war? Less so.


So, what are we going to do?
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Postby Tekeristan » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:38 am

Mmmm, the smell of int. war..
I'm willing to stand to defend the Teker Republic.

Caracasus, how will your nation act when the election subsides & Tekeri ceases reps?
If war is declared? On Tekeri of course, heh.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:57 am

Tekeristan wrote:Mmmm, the smell of int. war..
I'm willing to stand to defend the Teker Republic.

Caracasus, how will your nation act when the election subsides & Tekeri ceases reps?
If war is declared? On Tekeri of course, heh.


I have no idea. If war is declared on Tekeristan because they refused to pay reperations? I think you'd kind of be on your own to be honest. Especially if Caracasus is getting invaded.
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Postby Flauc » Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:59 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:Mmmm, the smell of int. war..
I'm willing to stand to defend the Teker Republic.

Caracasus, how will your nation act when the election subsides & Tekeri ceases reps?
If war is declared? On Tekeri of course, heh.


I have no idea. If war is declared on Tekeristan because they refused to pay reperations? I think you'd kind of be on your own to be honest. Especially if Caracasus is getting invaded.


Uhmm.. so do I invade Caracasus and what will be the result? Although we can debate the result as it goes on.
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Postby Significance » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:02 pm

Ok so my next post may be quite short, we shall see. It'll lay the ground work for the future.

As it will soon become apparent, there is a divide between my people. This will get complicated.

A few things I wish to clear up however.

Fluac, any small deserted islands that your country owns? I may need to make a point.

Oh and Caracasus, what happened to Indigo?

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Postby Carosi » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:45 pm

Dearest friends. I would like to ask you all to do me a small favour. Could you please send me the following information on your characters:

A secret (a real one - something they would not like others to know. A really serious one, the less socially accepted in their nation the better something they actually did, or did not. Not something they do desire.)

Their worst fears (a list of three of their worst nightmares, if you like to write a lot, write a lot. If not Arachnophobia and such will do.)

A dark desire (Something they desire and probably should not. Sex, power, wealth the stuff people desire. Torturing her boss to death would probably an example for Bellona. If you can think of more than one than send it.)

As your characters are perfectly normal human beings and not some psychopaths you can scale these attributes from 1 to 10. Don't post them - send them to me. It would spoil the fun for the others.

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Postby Tekeristan » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:55 pm

I.. Shall grab myself some popcorn.
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Postby Balagan » Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:53 pm

Significance wrote:
Carosi wrote:Hacking my systems: The normal rules for Carosi apply in the virtual reality as well. If you enter and do stuff without my permission I control your characters and decide what happens to them. Including deaht and mutilation.

Want to proceed hacking Carosi's systems? (Y/N)


The Conference: Another OOC warning. Your characters are still outside Carosi territory. Once they are in, you can RP them just normal. The standard rules apply. They might commit some "involuntary actions" for one reason or the other. If such an action occurs there is not much use protesting it in OOC, simply continue to RP her with her remorse or disbelieve of the past action. While this can occur, it does not necessarily have to. Remember that anything can happen to the characters. This is particularly important for Balagan and Significance as you have both send your heads of state. They can die and they can be mutilated and they can become insane. Keep that in mind if you wish to continue. What happens to them largely depends on your action. Heroic but stupid actions like attacking a group of armed guards with a knife in hopes of overwhelming them can and most likely will lead to the death of the character in this RP. PCs are free to kill each other though this is highly discouraged. A dead character ends this RP for the player. Therefore their chances of survival are relatively high. I hope that this will clarify things and that you will continue anyway to come to Carosi.



About the hacking. Maybe I can clarify for everyone. I say I did something, not giving specifics in the post, but a broad overview of what just happened. It's up to everyone else to fill in the specifics. Yes I suppose it's doing something without your permission, but you still have the choice of what I did, kind of like a compromise.

If Carosi insists on playing their own game, perhaps you could say I found only want you wanted me to find, like a red herring.

About the conference. Anything but death. Mortally injured, multilated and insane put together but not death. I can 'fix' to an extent any damage you cause to her but not death. Maybe even have something protecting her seeing as I already laid the groundwork for it unintentionally, to explain why she survives. Up to you but as I said, I will pay the price anyway you like for her not being able to die, just don't kill her. Fair?


What do you think about undead as a compromise? I think it is more interesting if the characters all have the same chances of surviving. I am fine with everything. Just don't kill Colonel Shala to make a point or something like that. I will write the attributes now.

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Postby Significance » Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:57 pm

Balagan wrote:What do you think about undead as a compromise? I think it is more interesting if the characters all have the same chances of surviving. I am fine with everything. Just don't kill Colonel Shala to make a point or something like that. I will write the attributes now.


There are many things worse than death. Carosi should be glad I'm giving him an all access pass to do anything else he pleases to compensate for her not being allowed to be killed.

Seriously she'd wish she died.

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Postby Balagan » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:07 pm

Significance wrote:
Balagan wrote:What do you think about undead as a compromise? I think it is more interesting if the characters all have the same chances of surviving. I am fine with everything. Just don't kill Colonel Shala to make a point or something like that. I will write the attributes now.


There are many things worse than death. Carosi should be glad I'm giving him an all access pass to do anything else he pleases to compensate for her not being allowed to be killed.

Seriously she'd wish she died.


You are right. I some how regret that I have send the colonel. Writing up that 'weaknesses' stuff is very difficult. I dont really want her to have weaknesses.

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Postby Significance » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:15 pm

Balagan wrote:You are right. I some how regret that I have send the colonel. Writing up that 'weaknesses' stuff is very difficult. I dont really want her to have weaknesses.


Correction. You don't want her to be seen as weak. From how your nation acts you want to be seen as strong. That can in some circumstances be a weakness.

For instance she could be extremely cold hearted towards other people just to appear stronger.

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Postby Tekeristan » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:17 pm

Everyone is weak, people make us strong.

:)

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Postby Balagan » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:21 pm

Significance wrote:
Balagan wrote:You are right. I some how regret that I have send the colonel. Writing up that 'weaknesses' stuff is very difficult. I dont really want her to have weaknesses.


Correction. You don't want her to be seen as weak. From how your nation acts you want to be seen as strong. That can in some circumstances be a weakness.

For instance she could be extremely cold hearted towards other people just to appear stronger.
Tekeristan wrote:Everyone is weak, people make us strong.

:)


Yes you are both right. She is not a superhero but I want her to be a tough character. Cold heartedness is a good idea it is a weakness that is also a strenght. For me it is difficult to make up weaknesses for my leader. It would be easier with a less important character.

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Postby Caracasus » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:29 am

Balagan - perhaps her strength is her weakness? I'm reminded of the story of the reeds and the oak tree - and what happens to both after a strong storm.

Okay, there can be a border conflict of sorts - though if we're keeping in theme with the RP, there should probably be more focus on the build up and so on than the actual conflict...
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Postby Flauc » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:41 am

Caracasus wrote:Balagan - perhaps her strength is her weakness? I'm reminded of the story of the reeds and the oak tree - and what happens to both after a strong storm.

Okay, there can be a border conflict of sorts - though if we're keeping in theme with the RP, there should probably be more focus on the build up and so on than the actual conflict...


I don't know what to exactly do.. well, I could write about decoys and soldiers amassing, navies going out and stuff.. planes taking off.

Can I post about the attack in one post? But if you want, I could RP the buildup too.
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Postby Caracasus » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:29 am

Flauc wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Balagan - perhaps her strength is her weakness? I'm reminded of the story of the reeds and the oak tree - and what happens to both after a strong storm.

Okay, there can be a border conflict of sorts - though if we're keeping in theme with the RP, there should probably be more focus on the build up and so on than the actual conflict...


I don't know what to exactly do.. well, I could write about decoys and soldiers amassing, navies going out and stuff.. planes taking off.

Can I post about the attack in one post? But if you want, I could RP the buildup too.


Hmm. Perhaps rocket fire? "Partisan" groups or the like?
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Postby Flauc » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:32 am

Caracasus wrote:
Flauc wrote:
I don't know what to exactly do.. well, I could write about decoys and soldiers amassing, navies going out and stuff.. planes taking off.

Can I post about the attack in one post? But if you want, I could RP the buildup too.


Hmm. Perhaps rocket fire? "Partisan" groups or the like?


Give me the numbers of the forces stationed at the border.

First, recon..
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Postby Caracasus » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:43 am

Flauc wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Hmm. Perhaps rocket fire? "Partisan" groups or the like?


Give me the numbers of the forces stationed at the border.

First, recon..


I tell you what, you launch a recon and I'll describe what forces the recon would have uncovered.

I'd also think some sort of response on the invitation to investigate the crash site is called for - even if it is a refusal.
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Postby Flauc » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:01 am

Caracasus wrote:
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Give me the numbers of the forces stationed at the border.

First, recon..


I tell you what, you launch a recon and I'll describe what forces the recon would have uncovered.

I'd also think some sort of response on the invitation to investigate the crash site is called for - even if it is a refusal.


Ok.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:51 am

Can I say it is safe to assume that the investigations are pretty much wrapping up?
I wish to move things along in my own nation, if you will. :?

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Postby Flauc » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:18 am

I am actually thinking of changing canon and making it so Maezawas plane crashed due to technical failure, it just seems too sad for me to have one of my leaders die in a de facto coup... betrayed by his own military. I'd feel better if Marela just seized power quickly to prevent disorder, to have some truth in his words.

What do you guys think?
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Postby Caracasus » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:19 am

Flauc wrote:I am actually thinking of changing canon and making it so Maezawas plane crashed due to technical failure, it just seems too sad for me to have one of my leaders die in a de facto coup... betrayed by his own military. I'd feel better if Marela just seized power quickly to prevent disorder, to have some truth in his words.

What do you guys think?


He doesn't have to have been killed by his own military. It'd be even weirder if Caracasus and Flaucian militaries are denying involvement because they genuinely don't know what the hell happened.
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Postby Flauc » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:27 am

Caracasus wrote:
Flauc wrote:I am actually thinking of changing canon and making it so Maezawas plane crashed due to technical failure, it just seems too sad for me to have one of my leaders die in a de facto coup... betrayed by his own military. I'd feel better if Marela just seized power quickly to prevent disorder, to have some truth in his words.

What do you guys think?


He doesn't have to have been killed by his own military. It'd be even weirder if Caracasus and Flaucian militaries are denying involvement because they genuinely don't know what the hell happened.


Or it could be Marela just using the chance to use Caracasus as a scapegoat, or he just doesn't know and won't believe what Caracasus says?

Hmm, but I feel bad for kinda changing canon or RP bits, it's like I'm going back on promises or something..
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