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A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]

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Postby Caracasus » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:46 am

Flauc wrote:Menthi, Maezawa's plane was shot down on the border of Caracasus and Flauc in mid air. He survived the assasination attempt in Jarka. His death has not been made public yet.

Indeed! That's quite interesting eh?
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Postby Tekeristan » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:56 am

Caracasus, any plans for the interviews & pirate stuff?

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Postby Significance » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:49 pm

Ok, so before I post my next part, is it ok if I have someone pick the retirda representative up?

And yes, they will be more than happy to take her to the conference (well, one will).

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Postby Balagan » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:59 pm

I was about to do that but it would be better if you would.

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Postby Significance » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:26 pm

Balagan wrote:I was about to do that but it would be better if you would.


Is it for the reason I think it is (retirda wouldn't like balagan I presume)

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Postby Balagan » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:38 pm

Significance wrote:
Balagan wrote:I was about to do that but it would be better if you would.


Is it for the reason I think it is (retirda wouldn't like balagan I presume)


Yes, Balagan is not a very hive-minded nation. Different people do different things. Your evaluation was quite good. She would prefere Significance I guess they don't side with Parsoh or against communism.

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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:56 am

Ugh.. Sickness..

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Postby Flauc » Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:19 am

Tekeristan wrote:Ugh.. Sickness..


Ugh.. Math test..

Get better :)
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Postby Cardulan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:04 am

Significance wrote:
You say about Tanaka but all I see is Caracasus secretly supporting mass riots against the man for being a mass murderer (even though he appears quite the opposite).

I get you mean about liking each other however.

Tek is hated because of what they did in oehiton.

Cardulan can often appear extremely warmongering.

Caracasus and Maltsi are hated for being communists.

Flauc is communisms worst nightmare (that may change).

Parsoh is a money grabber.

Balagan often appears to have no moral compass, siding with whoever has the most power.

Carosi is best described as hell (although people don't want conflict with them, so it's not that bad)

Menthi is just a mess.

Heck, even Significance has rubbed people the wrong way. Although again, that may change.

The only nation we all like is Waterville.

Shame. I can only see a really long cold war out of this. Unless of course it got hot.....


Very good summary, I would like to add that Tek is also mistrusted for being completely unreliable. Most nations outright refuse to trade with them because you never know if they steal your goods or pay for them.

Cardulan is extremely warmongering. If there is something we don't like, we bomb it. We also hardly ever compromise or negotiate. We warn and we punish, that's what we do. I think the only nation we really trust is Balagan and it would have been Significance in the beginning since they acted a lot like Cardulan in the first phase of this conflict. I can't say much about the relations of Flauc and Cardulan because it is unclear in which direction Flauc will go now. They are an ally because they are SACTO but that might change with the new government.

If you want to become more important, or better if you are looking to regain your former importance you could work on a way to get Flauc and Caracasus to work together. Penny might be the right person for that because she has not alienated either fraction yet. Nobody knows about the black ops in Peni.

Balagan has absolutely no moral compass! They are like a mega version of Parsoh but they have the tendency to stick to their word. If they sign a contract - like the Suaraw Treaty - they will observe it.

Menthi has no real part in this. It is the outside powers who dictate the way they develop.

If your goal is to work towards harmony you should try and focus on Flauc and Caracasus.

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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:07 am

Heh.

On that note, strong considerations to cancel & return reps due to broken 'agreements' in the treaty, as well as a huge range of damages..

Strong chance Caracasus actually ensured there would be no 'peace'. ;)
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Postby Significance » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:39 am

I don't know if anyone read my latest post.

Assume after leaking everything the laptop was thrown overboard. That does not mean it is untraceable, just that the evidence is in the sea. Your only link is that the information was leaked from someone on the boat.

I don't mind them being chased, but you can't kill them. Anything but death please.

On another note, I assume either you'll plan new approaches for agendas or decide it's too risky and play nice. I'm curious which.

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Postby Cardulan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:06 pm

Significance wrote:I don't know if anyone read my latest post.

Assume after leaking everything the laptop was thrown overboard. That does not mean it is untraceable, just that the evidence is in the sea. Your only link is that the information was leaked from someone on the boat.

I don't mind them being chased, but you can't kill them. Anything but death please.

On another note, I assume either you'll plan new approaches for agendas or decide it's too risky and play nice. I'm curious which.


I read the post but what's that got to do with anybody else?

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Postby Significance » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:17 pm

Cardulan wrote:
Significance wrote:I don't know if anyone read my latest post.

Assume after leaking everything the laptop was thrown overboard. That does not mean it is untraceable, just that the evidence is in the sea. Your only link is that the information was leaked from someone on the boat.

I don't mind them being chased, but you can't kill them. Anything but death please.

On another note, I assume either you'll plan new approaches for agendas or decide it's too risky and play nice. I'm curious which.


I read the post but what's that got to do with anybody else?


Because any secret plans you have have been leaked. I would of thought you'd want to track the people who did that down.

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Postby Cardulan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:34 pm

Significance wrote:
Cardulan wrote:
I read the post but what's that got to do with anybody else?


Because any secret plans you have have been leaked. I would of thought you'd want to track the people who did that down.


That's very interesting. It only comes with one problem. They have not. I can't speak for the others - but those of Cardulan have not.

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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:45 pm

I suppose the lost of a military friend stings the tiniest bit more after that, heh. :?

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Postby Flauc » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:52 pm

Tekeristan wrote:I suppose the lost of a military friend stings the tiniest bit more after that, heh. :?


How do you like the new leader of Flauc?

Sounds like a cool guy, huh?
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Postby Cardulan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:01 pm

Flauc wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:I suppose the lost of a military friend stings the tiniest bit more after that, heh. :?


How do you like the new leader of Flauc?

Sounds like a cool guy, huh?


He sounds even more fun than the old one. It's great to see that there is a constant decline in liberal leaders from Tekeristan to Menthi and Flauc the hardliners are becoming more popular. I'd say there will soon be election time in Caracasus if the global policy continues that way. :twisted:

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Postby Flauc » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:06 pm

Cardulan wrote:
Flauc wrote:
How do you like the new leader of Flauc?

Sounds like a cool guy, huh?


He sounds even more fun than the old one. It's great to see that there is a constant decline in liberal leaders from Tekeristan to Menthi and Flauc the hardliners are becoming more popular. I'd say there will soon be election time in Caracasus if the global policy continues that way. :twisted:


Yeah, he's really interesting.

Caracasus's election times are determined by international policy, not by Caracasus himself :)

Anyways, goodnight. Time to sleep..
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Postby Significance » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:36 pm

Cardulan wrote:
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Because any secret plans you have have been leaked. I would of thought you'd want to track the people who did that down.


That's very interesting. It only comes with one problem. They have not. I can't speak for the others - but those of Cardulan have not.


So because you don't want to play along your putting up a wall to it.

You know if everyone was like that the post would be pointless.

I'm not saying for you to like it, I'm saying to play along. All you have to do is not kill them. Anything else is allowed.

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Postby Cardulan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:54 pm

Our computer systems like - totally - don't work that way. It is physically impossible. Tekeristan and Flauc are fine with it - I'm not. Yes, there is a wall - or thousands of walls.

If you crack Caracasus' system there is a lot of what you can learn about Cardulan's operations on Iberis. He will tell you what that is - but hacking Cardulan's security is simply not possible with a laptop.

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Postby Significance » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:03 pm

Cardulan wrote:Our computer systems like - totally - don't work that way. It is physically impossible. Tekeristan and Flauc are fine with it - I'm not. Yes, there is a wall - or thousands of walls.

If you crack Caracasus' system there is a lot of what you can learn about Cardulan's operations on Iberis. He will tell you what that is - but hacking Cardulan's security is simply not possible with a laptop.


Not even the top part of it? You just have one level of encryption. I'd be fine not getting deep into the system but to say I couldn't get at even the smallest thing is unrealistic. Just look to irl countries and you'll understand.

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Postby Cardulan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:27 pm

Significance wrote:
Cardulan wrote:Our computer systems like - totally - don't work that way. It is physically impossible. Tekeristan and Flauc are fine with it - I'm not. Yes, there is a wall - or thousands of walls.

If you crack Caracasus' system there is a lot of what you can learn about Cardulan's operations on Iberis. He will tell you what that is - but hacking Cardulan's security is simply not possible with a laptop.


Not even the top part of it? You just have one level of encryption. I'd be fine not getting deep into the system but to say I couldn't get at even the smallest thing is unrealistic. Just look to irl countries and you'll understand.


Yes, I really recommend that. Look at irl countries and you will see that they don't get hacked from the outside for the relevant information that was leaked.

You can get some stuff out of the systems - I said so before. If you hack the communication of Flauc and Caracasus you will be able to learn something from that. However: This could only be understood in the context of what was going on in Oehiton and what is going on now. Messaged between Cardulan and Caracasus are not only encrypted. I'll give you a few examples to make it a bit easier to understand. The request for operatives from Cardula was wired to the Zoo. A man with a laptop can never monitor the entire communication of all official agencies in Cardulan. There is no sever saying "Please don't hack. Secret stuff."

The Salamanders are police, the Royal Marines are navy. Two completely different organisations are responsible. Finally there is the problem that the internet in Cardulan is completely monitored by dozens of agencies. People need a license, access is restricted, all traffic and all metadata is stored for - more or less - infinity. Attacking one place would in like 90 per cent of the attempts lead to Frankenstein being discovered by the security forces and traced back to his place of origin. It would in about 100 per cent of the cases been noticed and a second attack would be much more difficult. I'm speaking only for myself and probably Balagan.

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Postby Significance » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:37 pm

Cardulan wrote:
Significance wrote:
Not even the top part of it? You just have one level of encryption. I'd be fine not getting deep into the system but to say I couldn't get at even the smallest thing is unrealistic. Just look to irl countries and you'll understand.


Yes, I really recommend that. Look at irl countries and you will see that they don't get hacked from the outside for the relevant information that was leaked.

You can get some stuff out of the systems - I said so before. If you hack the communication of Flauc and Caracasus you will be able to learn something from that. However: This could only be understood in the context of what was going on in Oehiton and what is going on now. Messaged between Cardulan and Caracasus are not only encrypted. I'll give you a few examples to make it a bit easier to understand. The request for operatives from Cardula was wired to the Zoo. A man with a laptop can never monitor the entire communication of all official agencies in Cardulan. There is no sever saying "Please don't hack. Secret stuff."

The Salamanders are police, the Royal Marines are navy. Two completely different organisations are responsible. Finally there is the problem that the internet in Cardulan is completely monitored by dozens of agencies. People need a license, access is restricted, all traffic and all metadata is stored for - more or less - infinity. Attacking one place would in like 90 per cent of the attempts lead to Frankenstein being discovered by the security forces and traced back to his place of origin. It would in about 100 per cent of the cases been noticed and a second attack would be much more difficult. I'm speaking only for myself and probably Balagan.


I'm not saying what he did was untraceable. Although the laptop afterwards would be thrown overboard, so all you have to go on is that is was from a cruise liner headed to Caracasus but still, you have a lead.

The only special thing he did compared to any other hacker is look at the data freely, kind of like a secret internet for him. It was extracting and realising the data publicly that would raise alarms.

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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:53 pm

Would be interesting if Bellona landed in Teker, especially after the investigations.. Heheh.
Since.. Elections would be after, individuals whom wouldn't extradite to Card.. Free travel for refugees.. Witness protection..

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Postby Balagan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:07 pm

Yes, please no hacking of my "Every Secrets Ever" server if you are looking for specific information to publish, TG me or ask in the OOC how to get there. A lot of the secret stuff is related to Carosi and I was toled by Carosi and Caracasus not to make it public OOC.

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