OOC: Things to do in Caracasus before you die (MT/PMT/Dip)

[Cardulan]

We've got nothing to do with that. But Caracasus is Caracasus they don't have stations for Cardulan. If they had they would be blocked and relations would be very bad. I think this discussion is leading nowhere. If he begs the communes in Caracasus to send his anti-Caracasus propaganda this will make him look - strange.

That was a mistake, intended it to be Caracasus TV. >~<

Was a cool mistake anyway!

[Caracasus]

Ah well the war didn't happen so thats something. Of course quite a few caracasusians aren't too fond of a nationalist blaming them for what they see as a fairly selfless sacrifice on their part to stop a major war.

It's certainly going to be interesting, however it goes.

[Tekeristan]

Sometimes I think about just accepting fault for it all, just to get it over with, but I don't wish to just be the scrape goat for everything all the time either. x~x

Soo.. I think I'm just going to keep focusing on my internal stuff for now. Least stressful, if you will.
Simply just looks like there are consequences for stuff that happens?

So yea. Caracasus, TG me whenever about both the interviews or pirates, if that is something to pursue I suppose.
Might as well. Mostly so I don't have to do the interviews myself..

[Cardulan]

Sometimes I think about just accepting fault for it all, just to get it over with, but I don't wish to just be the scrape goat for everything all the time either. x~x

Soo.. I think I'm just going to keep focusing on my internal stuff for now. Least stressful, if you will.
Simply just looks like there are consequences for stuff that happens?

I think you have to think about it in a different way. There is more than one truth and not everybody in Tekeristan has the same ideas and values. Or so I think.

[Tekeristan]

Sometimes I think about just accepting fault for it all, just to get it over with, but I don't wish to just be the scrape goat for everything all the time either. x~x

Soo.. I think I'm just going to keep focusing on my internal stuff for now. Least stressful, if you will.
Simply just looks like there are consequences for stuff that happens?

I think you have to think about it in a different way. There is more than one truth and not everybody in Tekeristan has the same ideas and values. Or so I think.

What would you suggest, if I may ask?

If I must fight a war for some sense of respect, so be.
Although the changes are partially for myself, I feel. An increasingly alienated Tekeri population in an un-generous world. Not really illogical for them to start to feel they have to look out for themselves.

[Cardulan]

I think you have to think about it in a different way. There is more than one truth and not everybody in Tekeristan has the same ideas and values. Or so I think.

What would you suggest, if I may ask?

If I must fight a war for some sense of respect, so be.
Although the changes are partially for myself, I feel. An increasingly alienated Tekeri population.

Not all of them see it as a 'fault' or something negative I guess. Many of the officials in Cardulan did not like the thaw at all. They are quite happy with what did happen. Others like Bellona or Amrod not so. What happened did happen and not everybody is unhappy with that.

[Tekeristan]

If I am to write things from a large number of my citizens' and partially my own perspectives..

The main out lash right now, such as the formation & increasing popularity of the Greater Tekeristan Party, even the People's Militia, comes from perceived alienation & injustice.

If you notice at first, it was Tekeri that was pushing for peace attempts - even somewhat optimistically. Before the trials there was a general hope that things would improve. But.. Well.. As you can see, this idea has nearly perished. Abuse.

With news that the Cardulan investigators were pretty much acting completely against the Tekeri team, that was cause for many frowns. But as time passed, they learned more of the picture.

From what I have read, a large majority of the investigators were.. Unfriendly, racist, so forth. Calling people uncivilized savages, in some cases violated people's rights (little action from Caracasus), acted in complete & utter competition (As opposed to cooperation) with the established teams, even going as far as to openly waste their resources & time - tampering with servers, etc. So public opinion began to wain.. Even Cardulan's official diplomatic messages followed something similar, and did not offer much hope.

As concerns continued to rise, then naturally people began to question. They contacted their representatives, so that they could do their job. As it was brought up to a national level so that it could be brought into question, citing national sovereignty, security, and broke freedoms & agreements, it was followed with a mass arrest conducted by (presumably) masked Cardulan investigators..

This was not something that could be taken lightly to a lot of people, even the optimistic ones.. There were no prior words, there was no hesitations by Caracasus to not allow it to happen, simply the democratically elected representatives to the people being arrested in a single swoop. There were no hints of negotiations prior or after, even the messages by the remains of the government didn't even get a reply from the Cardulan offices..
This, understandably, would scare a LOT of people of ALL political parties..

It necessitated the requirement for martial law as the remaining pieces of the civil government tried to buy some time in order to organize in a fashion so that they would remain in control of the country, and to prevent the chance of them being puppet-ed - instituted the temporary security covers until such could occur. Once again, there were no calls for negotiations, no calm direct addresses by either Cardulan or Caracasus teams to debate about it. Not even consideration such was intended under established channels, simply armed raids into locations that have always had some form of armed security (central government offices!) with the orders 'shoot to kill'.

Then there was the raids on the news center.. They weren't concerned over the fact that there were questionable connections, they were concerned that was discovered in hindsight.. It showed that the freedom of Tekeris' were not being considered, that the comfort of the people wasn't the concern, and that cooperation between the investigative parties was completely lacking. Freedom of speech, a cherished right, was apparently gone. This was the end of the line for many people, the once peaceful protests ignited with anger, sparking the lock downs for a while.

Then.. Some hoped that maybe Caracasus would do something to help stabilize the situation, maybe push for a re-draft with the remnants of the Tekeri government - or to re-institute a public relations office, to open things to the public eye. They got something to stabilize the situation - but instead of documents or lawyers, it was armed soldiers with rifles that began to patrol the streets - that raided people's homes & businesses in pursuit of a militia that apparently questioned the investigations - killing several. Then the militia was blamed upon the remnants of government.

Then there were the raids.. 4 officers were killed because there was no talk from the Cardulan investigation office until only the LAST moment, with the call only reaching the HoS's desk after the front door was busted down. There were no negotiations prior about the blocks in the first place, not a word from the Cardulan offices. What did Caracasus do at the time? Seemingly nothing, no words. A long while after, the report is released. The Tekeristan investigation team will have key members 'replaced' (no hints as to who will take their place), while no actions are taken upon Cardulan or Caracasus teams. There would be no changes to the treaty, no re-establishments of communication, no nothing besides extensive & thorough review of the Tekeristan team with the intention to replace.

Across the nation they saw the same thing, the literal last lengths of the government they elected, that they fought for in the revolution prior, being assaulted by armed agents of Cardulan & Caracasus. Instead of negotiations after, demands were pushed. The last of their representatives were captured & questioned, and even servers irrelevant to the investigations - even Tekeristan's most sensitive data, such as their modern military servers for their defense, were probed. Once again, Caracasus did nothing. Few attempts at handling the raids, and none to prevent them in the first place.

Now as things begin to piece together, they watch Cardulan military jets fly over the nation - despite there not even being references to military in the 'treaty'. They hear & see Cardulan move aircraft-carrier fleets close to Tekeristan, yet Caracasus doesn't murmur a word of protest against the jets or even the battle fleets - even going as far as to launch their own military drone craft over Tekeristan. Then the Tekeristan government gets accused of 'military aggression'. . Even after acquiring Tekeristan's most sensitive data, its national defense grids, its most basic goods distribution servers, they continue. Caracasus doesn't protest such, going as far as to help sift through the data acquired through armed raids - completely tearing about the last lengths of government for some time.

If Caracasus was unwilling & unable to even defend the literal last lengths of the Tekeristan republic, even when it was threatened with total destruction, what was there to suggest they wouldn't of protested against a Cardulan coup - done in the name of 'ensuring stability & security for the investigations'? If they failed to defend rights of individuals, if the arrested aren't being properly represented, if they failed to stand up for Tekeristan's air space & military security, failed to push investigative reform, and don't pursue Cardulan for their crimes & fail to provide insurance - why would the average Tekeri be interested in keeping good relations with Caracasus after the investigations? Let alone a military agreement? In short, Caracasus lost influence & a military ally.. Heh.

Ponta's administration is another puzzling thing to me. It isn't recognized that during the council he held only a fragment of the power, that he pushed for the investigations in the first placed, that he veto'd the parliament in their decision, and ensures that the military doesn't down jets. He allowed the investigations to 'finish' in the first place, in fact sacrificing his career & national image/history in order to do so. So the ridicule pushes even the last length of the pro-investigation group away.

So.. When you all ask me where are the 'moderates', the people with different values.. Well.. Here they are.

Not even mentioning the 400 prisoners, those who committed no crimes being extradited, and the general conditions of Cardulan.. So.. Yea..
Simply put.. There are reasons for the stuff that happens.
The war hawks of Cardulan had succeeded in their goal, for there were none in Tekeri.

[Balagan]

I think you are getting this wrong. Not in reference of what your people think of course. Your people are your people, they do as you please but I think your military and your intelligence services don't understand Cardulan at all. They do not care about Tekeristan. This small nation is totally irrelevant to them. Destroying it would not help their cause at all. What the hawks want is exactly what's happening. You don't destroy the source of your power. Conquering Tekeristan would be counterproductive. There is not much of value and many people would feel pity for the Tekeris. Having them as a constant threat is much better, people will always be reminded of the horrors they did in the war. A strategy of constant tension, that is what they are after. Not an easy victory.

[Tekeristan]

Why does everyone vastly underestimate the military position I was in? :|
It would have been a very difficult war for Card.

But to put it short - yes, I know. I knew it for a while. The question was if Caracasus knew it, and I'm stuck between on board or blissful ignorance. Either way, they lost an 'ally'.. However with what everyone else apparently says, no big loss at all..

I have a dislike for 'great powerful international powers'..

So in short - the Greater Tekeristan Party is practically inevitable. Which.. Should be interesting, I suppose.

[Balagan]

Why does everyone vastly underestimate the military position I was in? :|
It would have been a very difficult war for Card.

But to put it short - yes, I know. I knew it for a while. The question was if Caracasus knew it, and I'm stuck between on board or blissful ignorance. Either way, they lost an 'ally'.. However with what everyone else apparently says, no big loss at all..

I have a dislike for 'great powerful international powers'..

So in short - the Greater Tekeristan Party is practically inevitable. Which.. Should be interesting, I suppose.

I think that Caracasus also works a lot different from what you think. I can not be sure and it is not intended to sound bad or something. English is difficult for me. I think that Caracasus also works a lot different from what you think. I can not be sure and it is not intended to sound bad or something. English is difficult for me. Caracasus is mostly interested in preventing war. That was very difficult I think. They have to make compromises, sacrifices and hidden moves. To them losing an ally is not that bad if they could safe thousands of lives. They are also not interested in forming strong military alliances because they are not very militaristic. They are interested in culture and trade but that is just the way how I understand them.

[Tekeristan]

Their appeasement will bite them.. If Tekeristan turning away isn't a bite, some other incident will..

[Balagan]

Just a little more pride in the flag, I'm hoping.
And.. Well, change in relations. Heh.
Standing alone,

Could have an interview with Victor, to establish his beliefs a bit better. If anyone is interested.

Balagan might be a good option for an interview. it looks as if they are the only nation he is not going to annoy.

I would really suggest to use Caracaus for this.

[Significance]

I haven't wrote yet about some other characters yet as I'm not sure I know what to do.

One set of characters would get away with broadstroke planning (for the inevitable), but the others want to get a little more involved.

I just want people's opinions and what they think would be important to target to stabilise the penisula.

[Watersville]

Balagan might be a good option for an interview. it looks as if they are the only nation he is not going to annoy.

I would really suggest to use Caracaus for this.

What about the Waters City News? I think that they would be able to do a non-biased interview with Victor, couldn't they? Or am i missing a very big point that disqualifies us?

[Balagan]

I would really suggest to use Caracaus for this.

What about the Waters City News? I think that they would be able to do a non-biased interview with Victor, couldn't they? Or am i missing a very big point that disqualifies us?

That's a great idea, a lot better than Balagan. Watersville has suffered a lot from the actions of Tekeristan but I can't think of any other reason.

[Tekeristan]

I would really suggest to use Caracaus for this.

What about the Waters City News? I think that they would be able to do a non-biased interview with Victor, couldn't they? Or am i missing a very big point that disqualifies us?

Nah, you're more than free.

[Balagan]

I haven't wrote yet about some other characters yet as I'm not sure I know what to do.

One set of characters would get away with broadstroke planning (for the inevitable), but the others want to get a little more involved.

I just want people's opinions and what they think would be important to target to stabilise the penisula.

What exactly do you mean by "to target to stabilise?" Special forces attacks?

[Tekeristan]

I know how to become relevant!

Nuclear weapons program!

[Significance]

I know how to become relevant!

Nuclear weapons program!

Oi, only I can mention crazy ideas involving nukes!

In all seriousness, Balagan, I meant as in where should I focus my efforts for the best results. Is Menthi salvageable as a single nation., can I make people like each other, that sort of thing.

[Balagan]

I know how to become relevant!

Nuclear weapons program!

Oi, only I can mention crazy ideas involving nukes!

In all seriousness, Balagan, I meant as in where should I focus my efforts for the best results. Is Menthi salvageable as a single nation., can I make people like each other, that sort of thing.

I think there are a lot of different ways you can go. Do you want Menthi to remain a single nation? You are very influential along the border with Parsoh already. Your super soldiers are somewhere near Peni. There are tensions between Caracasus and Flauc you could intervene there.

[Significance]

Oi, only I can mention crazy ideas involving nukes!

In all seriousness, Balagan, I meant as in where should I focus my efforts for the best results. Is Menthi salvageable as a single nation., can I make people like each other, that sort of thing.

I think there are a lot of different ways you can go. Do you want Menthi to remain a single nation? You are very influential along the border with Parsoh already. Your super soldiers are somewhere near Peni. There are tensions between Caracasus and Flauc you could intervene there.

Caracasus/Menthi(Bull) (if you going by OOC or IC), have control of the soldiers. Who I'm talking about are different people.

The thing is I'm not really sure. I just want stability.

I do have one idea....it involves Tek so we shall see.

Other than that, it's a question of whether it's easier to keep Menthi together or turn it into multiple nations.

[Balagan]

I think there are a lot of different ways you can go. Do you want Menthi to remain a single nation? You are very influential along the border with Parsoh already. Your super soldiers are somewhere near Peni. There are tensions between Caracasus and Flauc you could intervene there.

Caracasus/Menthi(Bull) (if you going by OOC or IC), have control of the soldiers. Who I'm talking about are different people.

The thing is I'm not really sure. I just want stability.

I do have one idea....it involves Tek so we shall see.

Other than that, it's a question of whether it's easier to keep Menthi together or turn it into multiple nations.

If you want stability, than Tanaka is your man. He controls the nation and he has offered everybody a non-aggression treaty. He is a stabilizing factor for the whole region. I am not so sure if he is the man for freedom. Menthi united will be more stable than divided because the small parts will continue to try to steal from each other or they will be annexe by the nations around. Helping Tanaka to recover the economy would stabilize the region. I can not see a way of getting the nations to like each other more.

[Significance]

The thing is I'm not really sure. I just want stability.

I do have one idea....it involves Tek so we shall see.

Other than that, it's a question of whether it's easier to keep Menthi together or turn it into multiple nations.

If you want stability, than Tanaka is your man. He controls the nation and he has offered everybody a non-aggression treaty. He is a stabilizing factor for the whole region. I am not so sure if he is the man for freedom. Menthi united will be more stable than divided because the small parts will continue to try to steal from each other or they will be annexe by the nations around. Helping Tanaka to recover the economy would stabilize the region. I can not see a way of getting the nations to like each other more.

You say about Tanaka but all I see is Caracasus secretly supporting mass riots against the man for being a mass murderer (even though he appears quite the opposite).

I get you mean about liking each other however.

Tek is hated because of what they did in oehiton.

Cardulan can often appear extremely warmongering.

Caracasus and Maltsi are hated for being communists.

Flauc is communisms worst nightmare (that may change).

Parsoh is a money grabber.

Balagan often appears to have no moral compass, siding with whoever has the most power.

Carosi is best described as hell (although people don't want conflict with them, so it's not that bad)

Menthi is just a mess.

Heck, even Significance has rubbed people the wrong way. Although again, that may change.

The only nation we all like is Waterville.

Shame. I can only see a really long cold war out of this. Unless of course it got hot.....

[Caracasus]

Caracasus suffered some very serious losses in ensuring that Tekeristan and Cardulan did not go to war - the report highlights the failings of the observation team - although I must say - they were observers. I'm not really sure what else they were supposed to do.

At the request of the Tek government, peacekeepers were moved in. Two of them died.

No military drones were sent over Tekeristani airspace - survey drones were used to verify that certain military installations had indeed been dismantled and to check for others.

The report itself is pretty damning of Cardulan investigative techniques - and of all three nations involved. It was a bit of a disaster but thankfully it was not a war.

Given how the last clash between Tekeristan and Cardulan went, six immediately associable deaths and some bad feeling is.... pretty damn good actually.


Balagan is correct in some instances - Caracasus is a Socialist nation with strong anarchist leanings in places and a direct democracy. Their main goal is peace and stability - the theory behind this (although this is by no means agreed on) is that it's only within relatively advanced, relatively stable nations that further steps towards truly socialist nations (and of course, eventually world Communism) can occur. This current feeling in Caracasus is responsible for the current foreign policies of multilateralism and co-operation.


Ahh - some more clarification. The Direct Democracy works slowly to achieve a consensus - I imagine everyone is aware of how quickly Caracasus acts - it is not fast, it is methodical and slow. This leads to mistakes and errors of course. Caracasus has a military force - more powerful than many in Caracasus would like - however it exists because - as Significance pointed out - they are Communists. It has been built upon and increased as a response to hostility from other nations for the most part.

[Flauc]

Menthi, Maezawa's plane was shot down on the border of Caracasus and Flauc in mid air. He survived the assasination attempt in Jarka. His death has not been made public yet.