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This is a thread for the planning and general OOC talk for Nova's Castle.

Ok...I'm going to post the map I had made for the operation here in a minute when I can find the damn thing. Then we can start to really get into planning

This is the map. So where do we start with this?

Creatle wrote:(map)

This is the map. So where do we start with this?

The cause of the conflict. I'd say revolution turned civil war sounds good, if nobody objects or has a better idea.

After that, probably ORBATs for the sides. Then we figure out where their forces are. Then we all pick sides, prep ORBATs, and get down to business.

Also, quick questions:

• What's the scale on that map?
• Is that all of the country on the map (i.e. the borders of it are borders with other nations)?
• Should we have an app for this? (I'd advocate for yes, just in a "we need this simple information before you start" sense.)
• Do we want to open this to non-PW people, or only allow PW people? (I'm fine either way.)

Congreveopia wrote:

Creatle wrote:(map)

This is the map. So where do we start with this?

The cause of the conflict. I'd say revolution turned civil war sounds good, if nobody objects or has a better idea.

After that, probably ORBATs for the sides. Then we figure out where their forces are. Then we all pick sides, prep ORBATs, and get down to business.

Also, quick questions:

• What's the scale on that map?
• Is that all of the country on the map (i.e. the borders of it are borders with other nations)?
• Should we have an app for this? (I'd advocate for yes, just in a "we need this simple information before you start" sense.)
• Do we want to open this to non-PW people, or only allow PW people? (I'm fine either way.)

So here's a little thing. Why not have it START as an OP, it gets messy, and some people have to evac, and then the war starts from there. At least it explains involvement. And it could even be started by me, by actually putting troops there before any of this starts.

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:

Congreveopia wrote:The cause of the conflict. I'd say revolution turned civil war sounds good, if nobody objects or has a better idea.

After that, probably ORBATs for the sides. Then we figure out where their forces are. Then we all pick sides, prep ORBATs, and get down to business.

Also, quick questions:

• What's the scale on that map?
• Is that all of the country on the map (i.e. the borders of it are borders with other nations)?
• Should we have an app for this? (I'd advocate for yes, just in a "we need this simple information before you start" sense.)
• Do we want to open this to non-PW people, or only allow PW people? (I'm fine either way.)

So here's a little thing. Why not have it START as an OP, it gets messy, and some people have to evac, and then the war starts from there. At least it explains involvement. And it could even be started by me, by actually putting troops there before any of this starts.

I like that idea. How about we set up the general conflict (which is a mess and everyone wants to stay out of), then create a critical incident which causes some group (DeN or TFA, probably) to send in special forces, which then drags in the rest of the world.

This whole "spec ops operation gone wrong" thing should be covered and wrapped up in the first post or two, though. We don't want to get bogged down in it.

Congreveopia wrote:

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
So here's a little thing. Why not have it START as an OP, it gets messy, and some people have to evac, and then the war starts from there. At least it explains involvement. And it could even be started by me, by actually putting troops there before any of this starts.

I like that idea. How about we set up the general conflict (which is a mess and everyone wants to stay out of), then create a critical incident which causes some group (DeN or TFA, probably) to send in special forces, which then drags in the rest of the world.

This whole "spec ops operation gone wrong" thing should be covered and wrapped up in the first post or two, though. We don't want to get bogged down in it.

TFA probably. DEN will be already in the city, I suppose. It could even be a place CLOSE to DEN, even, or close to either you or Creatle.

Here to game and watch.

Here to be involved.

*laughs maniacally*
Finally! I get to display my full power! This isn't even my final for-
*coughing fit*
Phew. Pardon that.

Congreveopia wrote:

Creatle wrote:(map)

This is the map. So where do we start with this?

The cause of the conflict. I'd say revolution turned civil war sounds good, if nobody objects or has a better idea.

After that, probably ORBATs for the sides. Then we figure out where their forces are. Then we all pick sides, prep ORBATs, and get down to business.

Also, quick questions:

• What's the scale on that map?
• Is that all of the country on the map (i.e. the borders of it are borders with other nations)?
• Should we have an app for this? (I'd advocate for yes, just in a "we need this simple information before you start" sense.)
• Do we want to open this to non-PW people, or only allow PW people? (I'm fine either way.)

Firstly - The scale of the map is...well..im not sure but considering its a war its fairly large. I will actually look into it.
Secondly - No this is just where the main battles will take place, their is an airbase to the south where TFA forces are being deployed at.
Thirdly - Im not sure about the applications yet, maybe but ill see where it goes
Lastely - Preferably not, this is a large scale war, probably the biggest TFA is going to have, I wouldnt want Powergaming idiots to ruin it.

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:

Congreveopia wrote:I like that idea. How about we set up the general conflict (which is a mess and everyone wants to stay out of), then create a critical incident which causes some group (DeN or TFA, probably) to send in special forces, which then drags in the rest of the world.

This whole "spec ops operation gone wrong" thing should be covered and wrapped up in the first post or two, though. We don't want to get bogged down in it.

TFA probably. DEN will be already in the city, I suppose. It could even be a place CLOSE to DEN, even, or close to either you or Creatle.

I would say that Creatle Mainland is located off map, not far but about 75 km off shore. I also need a name for this nation that is going to erupt in war? Any (sensible) Sugestions?

Creatle wrote:

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
TFA probably. DEN will be already in the city, I suppose. It could even be a place CLOSE to DEN, even, or close to either you or Creatle.

I would say that Creatle Mainland is located off map, not far but about 75 km off shore. I also need a name for this nation that is going to erupt in war? Any (sensible) Sugestions?

(not!)DENPuppetistan^TM

Yeah, no, I got none.

Maybe.. Hale Isles, anyone? Eh? EHHH?

People's Republic of Attica

Creatle wrote:

Congreveopia wrote:The cause of the conflict. I'd say revolution turned civil war sounds good, if nobody objects or has a better idea.

After that, probably ORBATs for the sides. Then we figure out where their forces are. Then we all pick sides, prep ORBATs, and get down to business.

Also, quick questions:

• What's the scale on that map?
• Is that all of the country on the map (i.e. the borders of it are borders with other nations)?
• Should we have an app for this? (I'd advocate for yes, just in a "we need this simple information before you start" sense.)
• Do we want to open this to non-PW people, or only allow PW people? (I'm fine either way.)

Firstly - The scale of the map is...well..im not sure but considering its a war its fairly large. I will actually look into it.
Secondly - No this is just where the main battles will take place, their is an airbase to the south where TFA forces are being deployed at.
Thirdly - Im not sure about the applications yet, maybe but ill see where it goes
Lastely - Preferably not, this is a large scale war, probably the biggest TFA is going to have, I wouldnt want Powergaming idiots to ruin it.

Re: Secondly - I'd rather the map included everywhere people could be fighting. Otherwise we're restricting IC actions because we can't find a large enough map OOC. I'm fine if we make this map a zoomed-in map of the front-lines of the civil war, and then find a bigger map to show the whole country.

Re: Lastely [sic] - I don't think there are enough quality RPs on II that are open to well-intentioned new nations. I'd be willing to patrol for and deal with powergaming idiots, if that's the only reason for keeping this closed.

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:

Creatle wrote:
I would say that Creatle Mainland is located off map, not far but about 75 km off shore. I also need a name for this nation that is going to erupt in war? Any (sensible) Sugestions?

(not!)DENPuppetistan^TM

Yeah, no, I got none.

Maybe.. Hale Isles, anyone? Eh? EHHH?

Hale Isles is an island*. It even says so in the nation's signature. Also, it already has a map, and I'm very proud of its map. And all** its citizens are happy enough with the current government system that they'd rather not have a civil war over it right now***.

*island cluster
**enough people to make a revolution impractical
***just you wait until RC ends, though

Congreveopia wrote:

Creatle wrote:
Firstly - The scale of the map is...well..im not sure but considering its a war its fairly large. I will actually look into it.
Secondly - No this is just where the main battles will take place, their is an airbase to the south where TFA forces are being deployed at.
Thirdly - Im not sure about the applications yet, maybe but ill see where it goes
Lastely - Preferably not, this is a large scale war, probably the biggest TFA is going to have, I wouldnt want Powergaming idiots to ruin it.

Re: Secondly - I'd rather the map included everywhere people could be fighting. Otherwise we're restricting IC actions because we can't find a large enough map OOC. I'm fine if we make this map a zoomed-in map of the front-lines of the civil war, and then find a bigger map to show the whole country.

Re: Lastely [sic] - I don't think there are enough quality RPs on II that are open to well-intentioned new nations. I'd be willing to patrol for and deal with powergaming idiots, if that's the only reason for keeping this closed.

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:(not!)DENPuppetistan^TM

Yeah, no, I got none.

Maybe.. Hale Isles, anyone? Eh? EHHH?

Hale Isles is an island*. It even says so in the nation's signature. Also, it already has a map, and I'm very proud of its map. And all** its citizens are happy enough with the current government system that they'd rather not have a civil war over it right now***.

*island cluster
**enough people to make a revolution impractical
***just you wait until RC ends, though

What I mean is that there is no need to include the rest of the map, all the IC interactions will happen here, Fort Hannah is the air base that TFA is being deployed in, enemy forces would have only established a beach head and all.

Creatle wrote:

Congreveopia wrote:Re: Secondly - I'd rather the map included everywhere people could be fighting. Otherwise we're restricting IC actions because we can't find a large enough map OOC. I'm fine if we make this map a zoomed-in map of the front-lines of the civil war, and then find a bigger map to show the whole country.

Re: Lastely [sic] - I don't think there are enough quality RPs on II that are open to well-intentioned new nations. I'd be willing to patrol for and deal with powergaming idiots, if that's the only reason for keeping this closed.


Hale Isles is an island*. It even says so in the nation's signature. Also, it already has a map, and I'm very proud of its map. And all** its citizens are happy enough with the current government system that they'd rather not have a civil war over it right now***.

*island cluster
**enough people to make a revolution impractical
***just you wait until RC ends, though

What I mean is that there is no need to include the rest of the map, all the IC interactions will happen here, Fort Hannah is the air base that TFA is being deployed in, enemy forces would have only established a beach head and all.

Oh, so we're doing a one nation vs all other nations war?

Congreveopia wrote:

Creatle wrote:
What I mean is that there is no need to include the rest of the map, all the IC interactions will happen here, Fort Hannah is the air base that TFA is being deployed in, enemy forces would have only established a beach head and all.

Oh, so we're doing a one nation vs all other nations war?

I dont know, I would prefer you decide what the war is going to be about and I work on putting it all together, becuase im not too good with these things

Creatle wrote:

Congreveopia wrote:Oh, so we're doing a one nation vs all other nations war?

I dont know, I would prefer you decide what the war is going to be about and I work on putting it all together, becuase im not too good with these things

Okay, but if we go with my plotline, then there probably wouldn't be a beach head, because it's a civilian uprising. There'd just be a regular war front splitting the nation (probably in a way that divides the wealthy cities from the poor agricultural and industrial areas).

Creatle wrote:

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
TFA probably. DEN will be already in the city, I suppose. It could even be a place CLOSE to DEN, even, or close to either you or Creatle.

I would say that Creatle Mainland is located off map, not far but about 75 km off shore. I also need a name for this nation that is going to erupt in war? Any (sensible) Sugestions?

Black Socialist Republic of Seraven.

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It is the name of my second account in NS and it is not use in II so we can use it, and it has "black" name on it because you will get an easter egg issue if you put a color on your nation's title.

Congreveopia wrote:

Creatle wrote:
What I mean is that there is no need to include the rest of the map, all the IC interactions will happen here, Fort Hannah is the air base that TFA is being deployed in, enemy forces would have only established a beach head and all.

Oh, so we're doing a one nation vs all other nations war?

How about civil war sparks interest from other nations, clash in massive front lines?

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:

Congreveopia wrote:Oh, so we're doing a one nation vs all other nations war?

How about civil war sparks interest from other nations, clash in massive front lines?

Okay. Here's my idea for the events leading up to this war. Let me know what you all think.

I don't think we finalized a name for the nation, but I'll call it Seraven here, 'cause that's short and simple.

2015: The nation of Seraven is wavering on the brink of collapse. Millions live in poverty and hardship but are unable to speak up under the rule of the oppressive regime, and though the people fear the government, it is actually weak and corrupt, and only reflects the interests of foreign corporations that have flocked to the nation for resources and cheap labor, all of which are only a few bribes away.

January 1st, 2016: The government holds a massive celebration in the capital, pronouncing the economy's success in the past year and hope in the future. The crowds cheer at the speeches and military parades, knowing that to do anything else would be suicide. The elderly president is happy. He believes his people are hopeful once again, although in reality the hollow pageantry does nothing to excite most people.

January 8th, 2016: The president decides that more celebrations are what's needed to bolster the nation's morale. Maybe if people feel hopeful they will work harder, spend more, raise economic well being for everyone. Maybe a bit more patriotism would even weed out some of the seedier groups in his government. He announces that an international military expo will be held in two months to celebrate the strength of the nation.

March 14th, 2016: The expo opens with much fanfare, despite minor problems setting it back a week. Delegations from other governments and defense companies are present, both viewing and presenting their new developments. Performances are conducted by the Seravien Navy, Air Force, and Army. Less people than expected can afford to travel to the expo, but the president's advisers tell him is is an astounding success. The expo is being held at Nova's Castle.

March 15th, 2016: Reading about the expo in magazines, or hearing of it on the radio, most people are disgusted by the frivolity of it. To them, the government is wasting money on lavish affairs to please international business again, and they don't even have the decency to try and hide it anymore.

March 16th, 2016: Tensions come to a climactic conclusion. A well-respected military Colonel pronounces that he sides with the revolutionary group known as "The Socialist Liberators" during a live broadcast on national radio from the expo. A company of soldiers under his command seizes Nova's Castle and takes the international visitors hostage. Uprisings begin across the country.

March 17th, 2016 (night): A team of Namien special forces attempts to sneak into Nova's Castle and rescue the hostages in the middle of the night. They are spotted as they infiltrate the castle. A firefight ensues. The Namiens retreat with heavy casualties.

March 17th, 2016 (day): The hostages are executed on national television.

March 18th, 2016: The president is distraught by events. Already on shaky mental ground, he becomes suspicious of his advisers, believing them to be revolutionaries as well. He doesn't understand how this could have happened. His advisers have been lying to him about the state of the nation for years. He never even knew people were starving. He becomes afraid of both his own citizens and the international community. He issues an announcement condemning several nations for staging this fake revolution with their armies and begging for help from other nations. The nations he lists appear to bear no relationship to what's been happening in recent years.

March 20th, 2016: The president commits suicide with a gun nobody even knew he had. The government and army collapse into chaos as everyone rushes to join what they believe will be the winning side. A rough front line appears to form in Seraven's new civil war.

March 21st, 2016: The international community responds.

This is good. Of course, I suggest a few changes:

The Party does come into power, however, in a different light. DEN leaks a piece of info regarding a coup being planned by the Party, and we alert the leader, but make it look like it came from the Party. As such, the task force is sent in.

Upon entering, the Task Force attacks "hostile targets" (real people attempting a coup, by the way), and it ends with the leader being safe. Until he is executed by the Namenian Force tasked with getting him out. The Task Force comes under heavy fire from both the Namenain foot soldiers, and Party soldiers, and the Namenian force takes heavy casualties, while some of the Task Force members escape.

That's where the issue comes in.

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:This is good. Of course, I suggest a few changes:

The Party does come into power, however, in a different light. DEN leaks a piece of info regarding a coup being planned by the Party, and we alert the leader, but make it look like it came from the Party. As such, the task force is sent in.

Upon entering, the Task Force attacks "hostile targets" (real people attempting a coup, by the way), and it ends with the leader being safe. Until he is executed by the Namenian Force tasked with getting him out. The Task Force comes under heavy fire from both the Namenain foot soldiers, and Party soldiers, and the Namenian force takes heavy casualties, while some of the Task Force members escape.

That's where the issue comes in.

So, your intelligence knew of the March 16th attack, warned the government by making it look like the revolutionaries were warning the government, the government didn't attempt to stop it, TFA sends in a group to the capital to get the president out, revolutionaries and Namien soldiers attack the TFA group, and then the war starts because TFA was ambushed?

I don't understand. Why are we rescuing the president rather than responding to the Nova's Castle expo attack? Is there a coup happening in the capital at the same time as the Nova's Castle expo attack, or should the president visit the expo at Nova's Castle? Why are the Namien soldiers firing at TFA troops? Why are the revolutionaries, who hate foreign meddling, okay with Namien infantry abruptly joining their ranks? I'm fine with changes, but I'm not sure what you're suggesting here.

Congreveopia wrote:

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:This is good. Of course, I suggest a few changes:

The Party does come into power, however, in a different light. DEN leaks a piece of info regarding a coup being planned by the Party, and we alert the leader, but make it look like it came from the Party. As such, the task force is sent in.

Upon entering, the Task Force attacks "hostile targets" (real people attempting a coup, by the way), and it ends with the leader being safe. Until he is executed by the Namenian Force tasked with getting him out. The Task Force comes under heavy fire from both the Namenain foot soldiers, and Party soldiers, and the Namenian force takes heavy casualties, while some of the Task Force members escape.

That's where the issue comes in.

So, your intelligence knew of the March 16th attack, warned the government by making it look like the revolutionaries were warning the government, the government didn't attempt to stop it, TFA sends in a group to the capital to get the president out, revolutionaries and Namien soldiers attack the TFA group, and then the war starts because TFA was ambushed?

I don't understand. Why are we rescuing the president rather than responding to the Nova's Castle expo attack? Is there a coup happening in the capital at the same time as the Nova's Castle expo attack, or should the president visit the expo at Nova's Castle? Why are the Namien soldiers firing at TFA troops? Why are the revolutionaries, who hate foreign meddling, okay with Namien infantry abruptly joining their ranks? I'm fine with changes, but I'm not sure what you're suggesting here.

The idea is that the Socialists are being aided by me, who knew of the Nova Castle attack being planned, and instead warned about a kindapping attempt on the President. Turns out that's a farce, and while you are all being battered at Nova Castle by Namenian Infantry, I shoot the Pres.

Why us?
We're socialists, dammit. And we're revolutioning the shit out of this place