Third Tarkanese-Whiteshorian War (OOC)

[New Aeyariss]

The reason that such large wars haven't happened is that people who get to be rl leaders are generally (A) sane and (b) caring about their people.
The president of the GVH is, for example, insane. He believes that the GVH once ruled the world, and that (given enough dealmaking and warmaking from him) it one day will again. Not something you'd ever get in rl.

Suits Mao Zedong perfectly.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

@Cuscy - thanks for your thoughts. Just a few points:

Majority of II is running it's course without out us, since 80% of us do not have time to join open RPs.

Even the knowledge of a small chance of suddenly making powerful enemies can be enough to force effective self-censorship. Certainly Ausitoria is having to walk a tightrope - and I won't consider that fun forever.

You have dozens of members, experts in military RP, against whom nobody really has much chance, whether they try to use nationstates statistics, Lyras-tech, or hard-MT. To be entirely frank, even I'm considering leaving II for a couple of years until you're gone/more manageable, because the RPs are so imbalanced.

Except that this moment SACTO has less than 30 members, out of which roughly 8 compose "Active Armed Wing" or the "Inner circle". Furthermore, none of us has 27 billion nation with armies numbering in billions, PMT tech and willingness to genocide the hell out of everything that is in there.

But that's quite enough. And just a moment ago you were saying you would RP with your full statistics in response to someone bringing out an army of a mere 250,000 people.

But I do think you should think about it - unless you're just here to win immediately, in which case, fair enough.

None of us wins immediately.

I didn't mean first post, I mean, as in, short-term, i.e. a few years. It takes a while for II to die.

But even though the rest of your post does somewhat assuage my fears - good to hear that you don't regard yourselves as particularly hegemonic - do be careful. With power comes responsibility, and in the case of Nationstates, with IC power comes OOC responsibility.

[New Aeyariss]

Even the knowledge of a small chance of suddenly making powerful enemies can be enough to force effective self-censorship. Certainly Ausitoria is having to walk a tightrope - and I won't consider that fun forever.

That is case with most counting forces on II. Not exclusive to SACTO.

But that's quite enough. And just a moment ago you were saying you would RP with your full statistics in response to someone bringing out an army of a mere 250,000 people.

I was referring to Vakolicci whom I know was member of Sondria and uses NS MT population; not to Tuva .

I didn't mean first post, I mean, as in, short-term, i.e. a few years. It takes a while for II to die.

2014 was best year for me.

But even though the rest of your post does somewhat assuage my fears - good to hear that you don't regard yourselves as particularly hegemonic - do be careful. With power comes responsibility, and in the case of Nationstates, with IC power comes OOC responsibility.

Thank you . Many of those are aware of it, but problem is, SACTO is nowhere near as hegemonic as you are trying to paint us. We are having actually very limited influence.

[Inyourfaceistan]

If you don't like the idea of people invading you with more troops than your population, don't start wars.

I'm going to assume you are being unintentionaly ignorant of what happened IC and not willfully incorrect; but it was Whiteshore who revoked the peace treaty keeping both sides out of war, NOT Tark.

Certainly I think RPing (in general) would be rather funner and more even if SACTO was willing to loose a few wars/diplomatic incidents here and there, but that's probably too much to ask.

Define "willing to loose"?

Because we are willing to loose if we are legitimately bested and beat, but we are not going to roll over for every come-and-goer who thinks it's their "turn" to defeat us.

If you want to beat us, step up and beat us, don't expect a win because you say you are good and/or "it's fair" or something along those lines.

My nation is one of only 563,000 people, the armed forces are 18720 Active members, hence why someone sending 500,000 is still unrealistic

My population is 230 million, the average of Brazil and Indonesia.
My armed forces are about 2.1 million total.

TBH, SACTO RPs can best be described as "boring".

That's partially because you put your trust behind a leader who promises time and time again that he will crush SACTO and shove his Neo-western/cosmopolitan/"progressivist" values down everyone's throat and that "this time we will get SACTO for real"; and then flees OOC'ly the minute shit doesn't go according to plan and the thread dies.

But even though the rest of your post does somewhat assuage my fears - good to hear that you don't regard yourselves as particularly hegemonic - do be careful. With power comes responsibility, and in the case of Nationstates, with IC power comes OOC responsibility.

Thank you . Many of those are aware of it, but problem is, SACTO is nowhere near as hegemonic as you are trying to paint us. We are having actually very limited influence.

No, we just have our members' backs through thick and thin.
Unlike certain people in IFC which like to start tension between members, SACTO likes to act as a unified front.

The reason you aren't seeing more intervention in Tarkan is because he asked us not to immediately try and go all out against Whiteshore and let him accomplish as much as he can 1v1; not because we are afraid of Whiteshore's coincidentally absent allies...

[Aeyariss]

2 pages in 2 hours.

Geez. I'm going to rant on the most important issues here.

Well, it was Asigna who started this by telling me his Anti-SACTO plan and I asked him about the treaty and he said I should repudiate it.

And repudiated it you have. You make on hell of a client state.

Maybe we should just keep it 1v1 as I can sense this becoming a cluster fuck of a thread

Actually it's best to have this retconned and then remake it 1v1 just you and White. No need IFC, no need BABEL/UCASHIRE/ no need SACTO to make this a clusterfuck.

TBH, SACTO RPs can best be described as "boring".

Because you failed to reached our standards.

[Inyourfaceistan]

2 pages in 2 hours.

Geez. I'm going to rant on the most important issues here.

Well, it was Asigna who started this by telling me his Anti-SACTO plan and I asked him about the treaty and he said I should repudiate it.

And repudiated it you have. You make on hell of a client state.

Yeah.
You risked your own nation to start a war with Tark because Asigna told you to.

Now that Asigna's war plan has been foiled with one sucker punch in the Mediterranean he is nowhere to be found and you remain to face the consequences of your actions while your fearless leader has vanished.

Maybe we should just keep it 1v1 as I can sense this becoming a cluster fuck of a thread

Actually it's best to have this retconned and then remake it 1v1 just you and White. No need IFC, no need BABEL/UCASHIRE/ no need SACTO to make this a clusterfuck.

We'll see the idea was 1v1 with limited support as I recall it was part of the larger SACTO v BABEL/USCARED war.

The IFC was never really involved, Lib&Aus just threatened to get it involved.
And I beleive that threat has dissipated.

[CoraSpia]

TBH, NS needs another very big war, just to shake things up a bit. Something like the may day war a few years ago.

[Aeyariss]

TBH, NS needs another very big war, just to shake things up a bit. Something like the may day war a few years ago.

If someone can organized something without having that level of thread to end up a clustfuck, yeah.

[CoraSpia]

TBH, NS needs another very big war, just to shake things up a bit. Something like the may day war a few years ago.

If someone can organized something without having that level of thread to end up a clustfuck, yeah.

I could try...

[Inyourfaceistan]

Whiteshore, it's your turn to post...

[Novaya Equestria]

I don't think Asigna's coming back.

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

I don't think Asigna's coming back.

Yeah full agreement there

[Whiteshore]

Well, Asigna has emerged from longer hiatuses than this, so don't count him out yet.

[Legatum]

Reporting in

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

Well, Asigna has emerged from longer hiatuses than this, so don't count him out yet.

The question is what's going to arrive first, your post or March?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Well, Asigna has emerged from longer hiatuses than this, so don't count him out yet.

Except everyone who knows Asigna and his previous failed attempts to destroy SACTO knows better.

Asigna will be back. I'm almost absolutely sure of it.
However, if previous conflicts are any indication of his future actions then he will quickly toss what occurred here and in the Mediterranean a few months ago under the rug, find some hap-hazard OOC excuse to try and save face, starting plotting some new scheme to force his ideals down on his enemies, and then start the cycle all over again...

[Free Tristania]

Well, Asigna has emerged from longer hiatuses than this, so don't count him out yet.

Except everyone who knows Asigna and his previous failed attempts to destroy SACTO knows better.

Asigna will be back. I'm almost absolutely sure of it.
However, if previous conflicts are any indication of his future actions then he will quickly toss what occurred here and in the Mediterranean a few months ago under the rug, find some hap-hazard OOC excuse to try and save face, starting plotting some new scheme to force his ideals down on his enemies, and then start the cycle all over again...

I see now that Asigna is gone. Basically I always RP as his next-door neighbour (we share Papua and we had this little buried "issue" about the status of Palau).. so what happened to the guy ?

[New Aeyariss]

I see now that Asigna is gone. Basically I always RP as his next-door neighbour (we share Papua and we had this little buried "issue" about the status of Palau).. so what happened to the guy ?

In my county they say "Thrice time the art".

In short, he kept starting wars that he could not win, and escaping OOCly every time he took damage...

[Free Tristania]

I see now that Asigna is gone. Basically I always RP as his next-door neighbour (we share Papua and we had this little buried "issue" about the status of Palau).. so what happened to the guy ?

In my county they say "Thrice time the art".

In short, he kept starting wars that he could not win, and escaping OOCly every time he took damage...

That's a shame. I always thought he would be a good pillar for my strategic security in the South-East-Asian region. The question is now: now that he is gone.. what will become of his RP empire: the lands he's controlling ? I don't want others to march into that particular area.

[Inyourfaceistan]

In my county they say "Thrice time the art".

In short, he kept starting wars that he could not win, and escaping OOCly every time he took damage...

That's a shame. I always thought he would be a good pillar for my strategic security in the South-East-Asian region. The question is now: now that he is gone.. what will become of his RP empire: the lands he's controlling ? I don't want others to march into that particular area.

I don't think you understand...

This is a cycle, see. Like a continuous repeating process.
He is gone.
He will be back.
He will plan to destroy SACTO again.
His plans will be foiled as they always are.
He will leave again.
He will be back...

[Free Tristania]

That's a shame. I always thought he would be a good pillar for my strategic security in the South-East-Asian region. The question is now: now that he is gone.. what will become of his RP empire: the lands he's controlling ? I don't want others to march into that particular area.

I don't think you understand...

This is a cycle, see. Like a continuous repeating process.
He is gone.
He will be back.
He will plan to destroy SACTO again.
His plans will be foiled as they always are.
He will leave again.
He will be back...

Just lovely. I am looking at the map of where your war is taking place. Could you do me one huge favour: if you are to include me in it (as a neutral power) could you please keep your warfare of the the Pacific ? Anything between the Belau and the Johnston Atoll is Free Tristania so... (you could put on a map if you want to: just two big islands, one the shape or Honshu and the other one the shape of Greenland - the latter the size of North America). I don't really want to be involved in a war but I could always increase the number of patrols and play the neutral game ?

[Aeyariss]

Asigna CTED.

[New Aeyariss]

Asigna CTED.

Several days ago.

Now all we have to do is begin the countdown to his resurgence 7 months later...

[Aeyariss]

Well best thing for Whiteshore now is to pull back his troops, ask for truce then work for a peace treaty.

Still, Hayaban Life Insurance CEO is sending in tonnes of humanitarian assistance package. (Edit) Those will arrives when the situation is stabilized.

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

Well best thing for Whiteshore now is to pull back his troops, ask for truce then work for a peace treaty.

Fully IC'ly and OOC'ly support this move, Tark (and via a middle-ground, myself) have attempted to broker peace a few times