Third Tarkanese-Whiteshorian War (OOC)

[CoraSpia]

Go for it. I've always wanted to test all my fancy equipment out on somebodys cities. What are your stats?

I use NS population . Especially for dealing with nations like that.

Though, IC wise, it won't be me who attacks first, this has to be noted. Now depending on context, we may want to limit it or not.

I use ic population plus deleted nation populations. I have a total pop of around 13 billion.

[New Tuva SSR]

@New Tuvan whatever abbreviation that is

1 million troops is massively too high and I doubt a nation like yours could even move some of those numbers, either dial it to realistic numbers or leave the thread

I actually have a huge nation with a population of 1.7 billion, but I lowered it to 250,000.

[The Tarkanese Federation]

My nation is one of only 563,000 people, the armed forces are 18720 Active members, hence why someone sending 500,000 is still unrealistic

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Go for it. I've always wanted to test all my fancy equipment out on somebodys cities. What are your stats?

I use NS population . Especially for dealing with nations like that.

If you use NS population, I use NS statistics, which means your nation is more left-wing than Ausitoria.

My nation is one of only 563,000 people, the armed forces are 18720 Active members, hence why someone sending 500,000 is still unrealistic

Yes, 500,000 is pretty unreasonable, even if you do have millions of soldiers. Most of any nation's strength should be kept in reserve. And besides, how many ships are you going to need to ferry 500,000 people? (Answer: at least about 200 dedicated troop transports, which is ... quite a lot).

[CoraSpia]

My nation is one of only 563,000 people, the armed forces are 18720 Active members, hence why someone sending 500,000 is still unrealistic

What shouldn't people in glass houses do?

[The Tarkanese Federation]

My nation is one of only 563,000 people, the armed forces are 18720 Active members, hence why someone sending 500,000 is still unrealistic

What shouldn't people in glass houses do?

By what do you mean?

My nation is one of only 563,000 people, the armed forces are 18720 Active members, hence why someone sending 500,000 is still unrealistic

Yes, 500,000 is pretty unreasonable, even if you do have millions of soldiers. Most of any nation's strength should be kept in reserve. And besides, how many ships are you going to need to ferry 500,000 people? (Answer: at least about 200 dedicated troop transports, which is ... quite a lot).

Exactly, UCASIRE is going to need a massive body bag industry at this rate

[Whiteshore]

Tuva, can you remove a 0 from your post?

[New Tuva SSR]

As I said, lowered to 250,000.

[CoraSpia]

What shouldn't people in glass houses do?

By what do you mean?

Yes, 500,000 is pretty unreasonable, even if you do have millions of soldiers. Most of any nation's strength should be kept in reserve. And besides, how many ships are you going to need to ferry 500,000 people? (Answer: at least about 200 dedicated troop transports, which is ... quite a lot).

Exactly, UCASIRE is going to need a massive body bag industry at this rate

If you don't like the idea of people invading you with more troops than your population, don't start wars.

[The Tarkanese Federation]

By what do you mean?



Exactly, UCASIRE is going to need a massive body bag industry at this rate

If you don't like the idea of people invading you with more troops than your population, don't start wars.

Oh no, when I "started" this war White was very keen on keeping it 1v1, now that he's losing, he's crying uncle. Whiteshore started this war, I just kicked off the fireworks. There was a treaty in place which for months allowed a peace to remain in the region but Whiteshore cast the treaty aside which has constantly been said if wither nation were to violate the treaty it would be seen as a direct act of war as well as essentially a declaration of war


When I was discussing this with Novaya I set a ceiling of 2500 volunteers as a maximum, so far SACTO has been able to keep that limit well and truly and I thank Inyur for his moderate numbers

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

My nation is one of only 563,000 people, the armed forces are 18720 Active members, hence why someone sending 500,000 is still unrealistic

What shouldn't people in glass houses do?

Dunno. Build an indoor igloo?

If you don't like the idea of people invading you with more troops than your population, don't start wars.

Having a population of 500,000 people and expecting not to be attacked if you start a war... well, fair enough I suppose. But then you have to consider allies: the thing is that SACTO is (currently) in a hegemonic position: they can pretty much (ish) commit however many forces are necessary to defeat their opponents. Sort of.

Certainly I think RPing (in general) would be rather funner and more even if SACTO was willing to loose a few wars/diplomatic incidents here and there, but that's probably too much to ask.

[New Aeyariss]

If you use NS population, I use NS statistics, which means your nation is more left-wing than Ausitoria.

Actually not . The fact you use does not mean I do. Besides I am not solving issues.

I use ic population plus deleted nation populations. I have a total pop of around 13 billion.

I have nothing against.

[CoraSpia]

If you don't like the idea of people invading you with more troops than your population, don't start wars.

Oh no, when I "started" this war White was very keen on keeping it 1v1, now that he's losing, he's crying uncle. Whiteshore started this war, I just kicked off the fireworks. There was a treaty in place which for months allowed a peace to remain in the region but Whiteshore cast the treaty aside which has constantly been said if wither nation were to violate the treaty it would be seen as a direct act of war as well as essentially a declaration of war


When I was discussing this with Novaya I set a ceiling of 2500 volunteers as a maximum, so far SACTO has been able to keep that limit well and truly and I thank Inyur for his moderate numbers

When you say 2500 volunteers, is that just land forces? What I'm really asking is 'can they bring the fleet?'

[New Aeyariss]

Certainly I think RPing (in general) would be rather funner and more even if SACTO was willing to loose a few wars/diplomatic incidents here and there, but that's probably too much to ask.

You are always welcome to try to win with us .

[Riysa]

Certainly I think RPing (in general) would be rather funner and more even if SACTO was willing to loose a few wars/diplomatic incidents here and there, but that's probably too much to ask.

Aus, don't blame us for our victories, blame the people who aren't willing to improve themselves. Its none of our concern if some guy doesn't know how to use his jets or fight an asymmetrical war.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

If you use NS population, I use NS statistics, which means your nation is more left-wing than Ausitoria.

Actually not . The fact you use does not mean I do. Besides I am not solving issues.

Actually yes - you see, I can RP my nation however I like relative to everybody else's. I could start adding up CTEd nations too - hundreds of billions of people.

But I won't (at least, if I can avoid it), because that would be terrifically boring and completely pointless.

That's the thing about RPs: they require a measure of consent and interest to be ... consensual and interesting. And that generally means they need to be not too imbalanced. And that is for the discretion of either (a) the group of RPers involved or (b) the OP.

Certainly I think RPing (in general) would be rather funner and more even if SACTO was willing to loose a few wars/diplomatic incidents here and there, but that's probably too much to ask.

Aus, don't blame us for our victories, blame the people who aren't willing to improve themselves. Its none of our concern if some guy doesn't know how to use his jets or fight an asymmetrical war.

I'm not blaming you - just thought you ought to know you're dangerously close to clamping down on all opposition, and ensuring a repeat of this:

2015 was a year when every top RP focused within small communities, and II basically died. One of worst years on NS for me.

And for me.

I do think SACTO should consider letting the left win more often, and letting them actually recover, in the long-term interest of RPing and balanced future sides. But that's a very big OOC discussion, probably for your thread.

[CoraSpia]

Actually not . The fact you use does not mean I do. Besides I am not solving issues.

Actually yes - you see, I can RP my nation however I like relative to everybody else's. I could start adding up CTEd nations too - hundreds of billions of people.

But I won't (at least, if I can avoid it), because that would be terrifically boring and completely pointless.

That's the thing about RPs: they require a measure of consent and interest to be ... consensual and interesting. And that generally means they need to be not too imbalanced. And that is for the discretion of either (a) the group of RPers involved or (b) the OP.

Aus, don't blame us for our victories, blame the people who aren't willing to improve themselves. Its none of our concern if some guy doesn't know how to use his jets or fight an asymmetrical war.

I'm not blaming you - just thought you ought to know you're dangerously close to clamping down on all opposition, and ensuring a repeat of this:

2015 was a year when every top RP focused within small communities, and II basically died. One of worst years on NS for me.

And for me.

I do think SACTO should consider letting the left win more often, and letting them actually recover, in the long-term interest of RPing and balanced future sides. But that's a very big OOC discussion, probably for your thread.

The only reason I use deleted nation stats as well is because they're all thhe same IC nation. Added to the fact the largest one (9.6 billion) is pretty universally agreed to have been deleted rather unfarely.

[New Aeyariss]

I do think SACTO should consider letting the left win more often, and letting them actually recover, in the long-term interest of RPing and balanced future sides. But that's a very big OOC discussion, probably for your thread.

I'm not blaming you - just thought you ought to know you're dangerously close to clamping down on all opposition, and ensuring a repeat of this:

So you are basically saying that SACTO - an organisation with less than 30 members and active armed wing of about 8 people - managed to threaten the very existence of politically leftist nations on this site?

God, shall we prepare beer (Non - alcoholic for Riysa)! Well, there is no one greater than God who gave us victories anyway...

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

I do think SACTO should consider letting the left win more often, and letting them actually recover, in the long-term interest of RPing and balanced future sides. But that's a very big OOC discussion, probably for your thread.

I'm not blaming you - just thought you ought to know you're dangerously close to clamping down on all opposition, and ensuring a repeat of this:

So you are basically saying that SACTO - an organisation with less than 30 members and active armed wing of about 8 people - managed to threaten the very existence of politically leftist nations on this site?

That's exactly what I'm saying. Obviously it's a great cause for celebration for you. But I don't think it's good for II. You're rapidly turning into a major reason for the number of closed RPs and closed communities. Similar to back in the days of Gholgoth etc. expansionism.

You have dozens of members, experts in military RP, against whom nobody really has much chance, whether they try to use nationstates statistics, Lyras-tech, or hard-MT. To be entirely frank, even I'm considering leaving II for a couple of years until you're gone/more manageable, because the RPs are so imbalanced.

But like I said, that's probably a discussion for somewhere else, and of course it's your own choice really, and asking you all to scale down/invent reasons to loose is obviously a pretty big ask.

But I do think you should think about it - unless you're just here to win immediately, in which case, fair enough.

[Whiteshore]

TBH, SACTO RPs can best be described as "boring".

[CoraSpia]

Closed rps are what's rapidly killing RP on II. I've been a member of several closed rp regions in my time, (as in, ones you have to meet a seriously strict procedure to get in, generally requiring knowing someone who can let you in), and even I think they're bad.

SACTO seems to really love small-scale wars (howevermany v howevermany.) It's just unrealistic: if someone invades someone else, it ony makes sense for it to turn into lots v lots. Issue with clusterfuck? Simple: create 'front' threads and subdivide this big war.

[New Aeyariss]

That's exactly what I'm saying. Obviously it's a great cause for celebration for you. But I don't think it's good for II. You're rapidly turning into a major reason for the number of closed RPs and closed communities. Similar to back in the days of Gholgoth etc. expansionism.

Majority of II is running it's course without out us, since 80% of us do not have time to join open RPs. Not to mention that my personal policy is that I rarely engage in all out wars, because I find proxy wars to be more interesting - when you can focus on smaller units and fight with not so shiny - finy gear.

Asigna is an exception, since he himself insisted on an all out war, then fled when he found out he can not win first battle, despite me offering him a truce.

You have dozens of members, experts in military RP, against whom nobody really has much chance, whether they try to use nationstates statistics, Lyras-tech, or hard-MT. To be entirely frank, even I'm considering leaving II for a couple of years until you're gone/more manageable, because the RPs are so imbalanced.

Except that this moment SACTO has less than 30 members, out of which roughly 8 compose "Active Armed Wing" or the "Inner circle". Furthermore, none of us has 27 billion nation with armies numbering in billions, PMT tech and willingness to genocide the hell out of everything that is in there.

I still have to to thanks the LORD Jesus for giving me all those victories over all those years. There is little credit of mine in them.

Though somebody forgotten intervention in Guadalupador (serious political failure, although a military victory - additionally a pre - planned one) or how Bulgar destroyed both me and IYF several times...

But like I said, that's probably a discussion for somewhere else, and of course it's your own choice really, and asking you all to scale down/invent reasons to loose is obviously a pretty big ask.

That is partially why I prefer proxy wars; I do not like people's imagination being destroyed.

But I do think you should think about it - unless you're just here to win immediately, in which case, fair enough.

None of us wins immediately. I myself know several RPers on this site who are match for us, not to mention that there is military realism consultation thread. Most people would have figured this out in less than 10 minutes using just uncle Google and aunt Wikipedia.

SACTO seems to really love small-scale wars (howevermany v howevermany.) It's just unrealistic: if someone invades someone else, it ony makes sense for it to turn into lots v lots. Issue with clusterfuck? Simple: create 'front' threads and subdivide this big war.

First, we tried doing that, and it did not fire. Second; can you point me to big scale war in last 50 years?

Even assuming that nukes were out, the cost of war between Russia and China without use of nukes would be enough to strip those countries of superpower status. Just see losses WWI or WW II caused.

[New Tuva SSR]

Closed rps are what's rapidly killing RP on II. I've been a member of several closed rp regions in my time, (as in, ones you have to meet a seriously strict procedure to get in, generally requiring knowing someone who can let you in), and even I think they're bad.

SACTO seems to really love small-scale wars (howevermany v howevermany.) It's just unrealistic: if someone invades someone else, it ony makes sense for it to turn into lots v lots. Issue with clusterfuck? Simple: create 'front' threads and subdivide this big war.

Actually...not bad.

And I'm glad to see people agreeing that II died. I just was wondering what happened. 2014 was the golden year, with wars and exciting diplomatic meetings and terrorist attacks. Then 2015 hit... and it just died. International Incidents had a massive heart attack, and was not rushed to the hospital in time.

[New Aeyariss]

TBH, SACTO RPs can best be described as "boring".

Then who forces you to RP with us?

If people do not like us - let them not RP with SACTO and job done. I actually myself told Asigna that if he wishes not to RP with us, we have no issues.

Actually...not bad.

And I'm glad to see people agreeing that II died. I just was wondering what happened. 2014 was the golden year, with wars and exciting diplomatic meetings and terrorist attacks. Then 2015 hit... and it just died. International Incidents had a massive heart attack, and was not rushed to the hospital in time.

100% agreed, though II seems to be returning to life slowly.

[CoraSpia]

That's exactly what I'm saying. Obviously it's a great cause for celebration for you. But I don't think it's good for II. You're rapidly turning into a major reason for the number of closed RPs and closed communities. Similar to back in the days of Gholgoth etc. expansionism.

Majority of II is running it's course without out us, since 80% of us do not have time to join open RPs. Not to mention that my personal policy is that I rarely engage in all out wars, because I find proxy wars to be more interesting - when you can focus on smaller units and fight with not so shiny - finy gear.

Asigna is an exception, since he himself insisted on an all out war, then fled when he found out he can not win first battle, despite me offering him a truce.

You have dozens of members, experts in military RP, against whom nobody really has much chance, whether they try to use nationstates statistics, Lyras-tech, or hard-MT. To be entirely frank, even I'm considering leaving II for a couple of years until you're gone/more manageable, because the RPs are so imbalanced.

Except that this moment SACTO has less than 30 members, out of which roughly 8 compose "Active Armed Wing" or the "Inner circle". Furthermore, none of us has 27 billion nation with armies numbering in billions, PMT tech and willingness to genocide the hell out of everything that is in there.

I still have to to thanks the LORD Jesus for giving me all those victories over all those years. There is little credit of mine in them.

Though somebody forgotten intervention in Guadalupador (serious political failure, although a military victory - additionally a pre - planned one) or how Bulgar destroyed both me and IYF several times...

But like I said, that's probably a discussion for somewhere else, and of course it's your own choice really, and asking you all to scale down/invent reasons to loose is obviously a pretty big ask.

That is partially why I prefer proxy wars; I do not like people's imagination being destroyed.

But I do think you should think about it - unless you're just here to win immediately, in which case, fair enough.

None of us wins immediately. I myself know several RPers on this site who are match for us, not to mention that there is military realism consultation thread. Most people would have figured this out in less than 10 minutes using just uncle Google and aunt Wikipedia.

SACTO seems to really love small-scale wars (howevermany v howevermany.) It's just unrealistic: if someone invades someone else, it ony makes sense for it to turn into lots v lots. Issue with clusterfuck? Simple: create 'front' threads and subdivide this big war.

First, we tried doing that, and it did not fire. Second; can you point me to big scale war in last 50 years?

Even assuming that nukes were out, the cost of war between Russia and China without use of nukes would be enough to strip those countries of superpower status. Just see losses WWI or WW II caused.

The reason that such large wars haven't happened is that people who get to be rl leaders are generally (A) sane and (b) caring about their people.
The president of the GVH is, for example, insane. He believes that the GVH once ruled the world, and that (given enough dealmaking and warmaking from him) it one day will again. Not something you'd ever get in rl.