2015: Wind of Change [SIGNUPS]

[Gyrenaica]

Osama bin laden is dead... Al Qaeda is nearly dead. Taliban is being neutralized, based mostly in afghansitan, but very few in Pakistan.

Okay just wondering since 9/11 never happened, I agree that he and Al Qaeda are dead, better for my rp to be genuine.

Al Qaeda would be dead. Maybe OBL, but probably then just a regular citizen in Caliphate. Cause he was from Saudi Arabia originally

[Togeria]

What have I missed?

[The Manticoran Empire]

THAT IS THE POINT! I'll put it to you this way. Thermopylae, 480 BCE. The Persian Immortals are dispatched on Day 2 of the battle. 10,000 are dispatched. 7,000 die. 7,000 NEW Immortals quickly join the ranks of the 3,000 survivors. In that way, the Immortals received their name. Because they had a seemingly endless supply of new troops, it was not long before the gaps in their ranks were filled. To the ancient barbarians the Persians fought in the Middle East, these shock troops seemed to be immortals, which added a level of psychological warfare to a conventional attack.

So then they do die. They aren't immortals, and you shouldn't call them that. In this dat and age, everyone knows you can't be immortal. Some believe you can become a new person after you die.

But whatever, you're not scaring anyone.

Whatever. The name sounds cool.

[The Manticoran Empire]

What have I missed?

Quite a bit. A bunch of wars have erupted which are already quite brutal. I think the body count is between 100,000 and 1,000,000 in about, oh, say 96 hours, RP time. Could be higher.

[Gyrenaica]

Persia is at war with USSR, India, Pakistan, caliphate, Kuwait, Turkey, Iran, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Syria, Kurdistan

North Korea is at war with Japan, India, USSR, Pakistan, and jersey republic

[Gyrenaica]

So far, Pakistan has
1. Loosened tension between itself and Imperial Union
2. Set up free travel of Pakistani Christians to Angola, and Angolan Muslims to Pakistan
3. Muslims in Myanmar now allowed to cross into Pakistan to worship, as the Burmese government has banned mosques. As well, Burmese Muslims may apply for citizenship in Pakistan
4. Attempted to cause a war between caliphate and Persia thru the use of caliphate uniforms to dress Pakistani soldiers when they attacked Persia. (They are at war, but not because of this)
5. Joined the war against Persia
6. Joined the war against North Korea
7. Recognized Israel (and Palestine unofficially official)

[Togeria]

Persia is at war with USSR, India, Pakistan, caliphate, Kuwait, Turkey, Iran, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Syria, Kurdistan

North Korea is at war with Japan, India, USSR, Pakistan, and jersey republic

You want Indonesian help?

[Gyrenaica]

Persia is at war with USSR, India, Pakistan, caliphate, Kuwait, Turkey, Iran, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Syria, Kurdistan

North Korea is at war with Japan, India, USSR, Pakistan, and jersey republic

You want Indonesian help?

Sure. Help ram North Korea. Persia has lots of people all ready at war with them.

[The Manticoran Empire]

This is something we need to figure out. How long is an RP day? Personally, I would like 4 RP hours to be 1 RP day, which would give 8 RP days to each RL day.

[Gyrenaica]

This is something we need to figure out. How long is an RP day? Personally, I would like 4 RP hours to be 1 RP day, which would give 8 RP days to each RL day.

Every page is a month maybe?

[The Manticoran Empire]

This is something we need to figure out. How long is an RP day? Personally, I would like 4 RP hours to be 1 RP day, which would give 8 RP days to each RL day.

Every page is a month maybe?

Hmm. Maybe.

[The Manticoran Empire]

We should all post what our nations are armed with so that no one can accuse anyone about godmodding.

[Gyrenaica]

Irk stats?

[Soviet Socialist Republics-USSR]

How about 1 day RL = 1 week RP?

[The Manticoran Empire]

Irk stats?

RL stats would not be fair since this isn't real life. This is Alternate History, which means that many things could be different. For example, Persia is armed with Su-37, Su-47, and Mig-29 fighters, Tu-95 bombers, Il-76 transports, Mi-24 helicopters, T-90 tanks, BTR-90 APCs, BTR-40 General Purpose Vehicles, BMP-2 CRVs, AKM assault rifles, RPK-74 Light Support Weapons, PKP Pecheneg General Purpose Machine Guns, NSV Heavy Machine Guns, MP-443 Grach pistols, Dragunov SVD sniper rifles, RGO and RGN hand grenades, GP-34 Grenade launchers (underbarrel attached to all AKM assault rifles), RG-6 and GM-94 multi-shot grenade launchers, AGS-17 Automatic Grenade Launchers, MON-90 and MON-100 anti-personnel mines, OZM and POZM mines, PMN mine, TM-62, TM-83, TM-86 Anti-tank mines, RPG-16, RPG-29, Strela-3, and 9M111M rocket systems, BMP-3 IFV, T-80 tank, 2S12 and 2B14 mortars, 2A65 and 2A36 field guns, 2S3, 2S5, and 2S7 Self Propelled Guns, BM-27 and BM-30 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems, TOS-1 Thermobaric Rocket Launcher, SS-26 Ballistic Missile Launcher, SA-15 and SA-19 Air Defense Vehicles, and a few experimental systems.

[The Manticoran Empire]

How about 1 day RL = 1 week RP?

Alright. That is solid.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Don't accuse me of Godmodding. I personally do not expect Persia to survive without assistance, which she is unlikely to receive. This is a pure slaughter. The only godmodding here will be Sultan Al-Fulani constantly evading attempts on his life, just to keep him alive for political reasons.

[The Ruivan Empire]

The Manticoran Empire you do realize that you can't say that your forces attacked Moscow with out the Soviet socialist republic being able to respond right that is a god mod. You can't call other people's losses and you can't just have a massive air fleet attack that is several hours awAy instantly with out being detected especially considering the fact that it's the Soviet union where talking about this guy has one of the world's largest anti air defense systems and quite frankly anything you launch at Moscow would be destroyed long before it reached its target. I suggest attacking a city closer to your airfields it's a lot more realistic and you should allow him to respond to your attacks as you cannot call his losses without his permission.

[The Manticoran Empire]

The Manticoran Empire you do realize that you can't say that your forces attacked Moscow with out the Soviet socialist republic being able to respond right that is a god mod. You can't call other people's losses and you can't just have a massive air fleet attack that is several hours awAy instantly with out being detected especially considering the fact that it's the Soviet union where talking about this guy has one of the world's largest anti air defense systems and quite frankly anything you launch at Moscow would be destroyed long before it reached its target. I suggest attacking a city closer to your airfields it's a lot more realistic and you should allow him to respond to your attacks as you cannot call his losses without his permission.

Actually, it is highly possible that an air strike could enter another countries air space undetected by ADS or RADAR if they fly low, like mine did. It is is a widely accepted military strategy. Pear Harbor, 1941. Japanese Naval Aircraft flew low through mountains, avoiding RADAR detection until the last minute. And the Soviets did respond, killing 15 of my planes. However, a sneak attack like that is always weighted in favor of the attacker. Again, Pearl Harbor, 1941. The Japanese had air superiority for almost two hours before withdrawing. Another example is the book Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy, in which, during a fictional World War III between the USSR and NATO, Soviet fighters attack Iceland without being detected. They flew low, just above wavetop level from Russia and then stayed in valleys until the reached the NATO airbase before rising to attack altitude and commencing their rocket attacks. NATO then did a similar strike later, catching several Soviet aircraft on the ground. So, in all actuality, my assault is not only probable but has at least one real life counter part. Several British air raids during the Second World War and Doolittles raid on Japan are also examples of surprise air attacks with massive defending losses and few attacking casualties. Think before you criticize my tactics.

[Soviet Socialist Republics-USSR]

The Manticoran Empire you do realize that you can't say that your forces attacked Moscow with out the Soviet socialist republic being able to respond right that is a god mod. You can't call other people's losses and you can't just have a massive air fleet attack that is several hours awAy instantly with out being detected especially considering the fact that it's the Soviet union where talking about this guy has one of the world's largest anti air defense systems and quite frankly anything you launch at Moscow would be destroyed long before it reached its target. I suggest attacking a city closer to your airfields it's a lot more realistic and you should allow him to respond to your attacks as you cannot call his losses without his permission.

Actually, it is highly possible that an air strike could enter another countries air space undetected by ADS or RADAR if they fly low, like mine did. It is is a widely accepted military strategy. Pear Harbor, 1941. Japanese Naval Aircraft flew low through mountains, avoiding RADAR detection until the last minute. And the Soviets did respond, killing 15 of my planes. However, a sneak attack like that is always weighted in favor of the attacker. Again, Pearl Harbor, 1941. The Japanese had air superiority for almost two hours before withdrawing. Another example is the book Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy, in which, during a fictional World War III between the USSR and NATO, Soviet fighters attack Iceland without being detected. They flew low, just above wavetop level from Russia and then stayed in valleys until the reached the NATO airbase before rising to attack altitude and commencing their rocket attacks. NATO then did a similar strike later, catching several Soviet aircraft on the ground. So, in all actuality, my assault is not only probable but has at least one real life counter part. Several British air raids during the Second World War and Doolittles raid on Japan are also examples of surprise air attacks with massive defending losses and few attacking casualties. Think before you criticize my tactics.

Your planes would have to fly over Turkey, Black Sea, Ukraine and Russia unnoticed by nobody. Highly impossible.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Actually, it is highly possible that an air strike could enter another countries air space undetected by ADS or RADAR if they fly low, like mine did. It is is a widely accepted military strategy. Pear Harbor, 1941. Japanese Naval Aircraft flew low through mountains, avoiding RADAR detection until the last minute. And the Soviets did respond, killing 15 of my planes. However, a sneak attack like that is always weighted in favor of the attacker. Again, Pearl Harbor, 1941. The Japanese had air superiority for almost two hours before withdrawing. Another example is the book Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy, in which, during a fictional World War III between the USSR and NATO, Soviet fighters attack Iceland without being detected. They flew low, just above wavetop level from Russia and then stayed in valleys until the reached the NATO airbase before rising to attack altitude and commencing their rocket attacks. NATO then did a similar strike later, catching several Soviet aircraft on the ground. So, in all actuality, my assault is not only probable but has at least one real life counter part. Several British air raids during the Second World War and Doolittles raid on Japan are also examples of surprise air attacks with massive defending losses and few attacking casualties. Think before you criticize my tactics.

Your planes would have to fly over Turkey, Black Sea, Ukraine and Russia unnoticed by nobody. Highly impossible.

Nope. I can go through occupied Iran, over the Caspian Sea, move along the Ural Mountains, cross the Urals North of Moscow and then, maintaining an altitude of no more than 60 meters, fly the distance to Moscow, rising to 10,000 meters 10-20 kilometers away from Moscow. ADS radar operators would see a bunch of blips on their screens and then one to three minutes later they are watching missile tracks as the attack begins. You attacked Baghdad and lost 8 aircraft. I attacked Moscow and lost 15 aircraft. This is a tit for tat air campaign and, if you haven't noticed, I only killed civvies. You managed to kill some of my High Command.

[Soviet Socialist Republics-USSR]

Your planes would have to fly over Turkey, Black Sea, Ukraine and Russia unnoticed by nobody. Highly impossible.

Nope. I can go through occupied Iran, over the Caspian Sea, move along the Ural Mountains, cross the Urals North of Moscow and then, maintaining an altitude of no more than 60 meters, fly the distance to Moscow, rising to 10,000 meters 10-20 kilometers away from Moscow. ADS radar operators would see a bunch of blips on their screens and then one to three minutes later they are watching missile tracks as the attack begins. You attacked Baghdad and lost 8 aircraft. I attacked Moscow and lost 15 aircraft. This is a tit for tat air campaign and, if you haven't noticed, I only killed civvies. You managed to kill some of my High Command.

How about fuel?

[Gyrenaica]

Moscow is literally impossible to attack unless you shattered all their defense, blew the fuck out of their missiles and Air Force. Destroyed their tanks and launchers. Killed a very high percentage of their troops.


Even hitler couldn't get to Moscow so easily.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Nope. I can go through occupied Iran, over the Caspian Sea, move along the Ural Mountains, cross the Urals North of Moscow and then, maintaining an altitude of no more than 60 meters, fly the distance to Moscow, rising to 10,000 meters 10-20 kilometers away from Moscow. ADS radar operators would see a bunch of blips on their screens and then one to three minutes later they are watching missile tracks as the attack begins. You attacked Baghdad and lost 8 aircraft. I attacked Moscow and lost 15 aircraft. This is a tit for tat air campaign and, if you haven't noticed, I only killed civvies. You managed to kill some of my High Command.

How about fuel?

Drop tanks.

[The Ruivan Empire]

You misunderstand me I'm not criticizing your tactics I'm just trying to point out the unrealistic nature of what you're trying to do and what you claim to have already happened without this guy having ever being able to respond to it. Plus you're referencing things that happened in the 1940s things that are happening now in this RP is considered a modern war radar and other air detection systems are a lot more sophisticated than you think they are