Ardokian RP Planning Tread [OOC | Semi-Open | PT/MT/PMT?]

[Ardoki]

If he isn't far-right - You guys won't accept him.

1) What your advocating doesn't sound very "far-right". It hardly sounds like Reagan, Thatcher or Uribe; Pinochet maybe but even Pinochet wasn't that extreme. It honestly sounds like Soviet/Mao/N.Korea shit...

2) He doesn't even need to be "far-right"; so much as "not an ass-kissing pansy who can't stand his ground except against the guys trying to help him".
Shoot, he could honestly be left-wing and still have reason to stand his ground against Ardokian imperialism...

While Thatcher, Reagan and Pinochet were almost far-right. I was trying to make him like Hitler, who was actually far-right.

But he won't be used again for a while. He might just accept whatever the IFC and the SACTO wish, within reason.

[Riysa]

1) What your advocating doesn't sound very "far-right". It hardly sounds like Reagan, Thatcher or Uribe; Pinochet maybe but even Pinochet wasn't that extreme. It honestly sounds like Soviet/Mao/N.Korea shit...

2) He doesn't even need to be "far-right"; so much as "not an ass-kissing pansy who can't stand his ground except against the guys trying to help him".
Shoot, he could honestly be left-wing and still have reason to stand his ground against Ardokian imperialism...

While Thatcher, Reagan and Pinochet were almost far-right. I was trying to make him like Hitler, who was actually far-right.

But he won't be used again for a while. He might just accept whatever the IFC and the SACTO wish, within reason.

Hitler wasn't far-right, he was centrist - some even say he was leftist to an extent. That wasn't the issue.

I don't see how killing religious and heterosexual people (wut) makes him a right-wing leader. I'm pretty sure you're just messing with us on that part, but whatever.

[Ardoki]

While Thatcher, Reagan and Pinochet were almost far-right. I was trying to make him like Hitler, who was actually far-right.

But he won't be used again for a while. He might just accept whatever the IFC and the SACTO wish, within reason.

Hitler wasn't far-right, he was centrist - some even say he was leftist to an extent. That wasn't the issue.

I don't see how killing religious and heterosexual people (wut) makes him a right-wing leader. I'm pretty sure you're just messing with us on that part, but whatever.

He would kill homosexuals as well.

Hitler, the Nazis and Nazism is considered far-right by all definitions and experts.

However we are getting off-topic.

[Bashriyya]

Ardoki I do not think you have a very good idea of what right-wing is or left-wing is?

[Ardoki]

Ardoki I do not think you have a very good idea of what right-wing is or left-wing is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_far-right_political_parties

[Quirina]

Ardoki I do not think you have a very good idea of what right-wing is or left-wing is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_far-right_political_parties

I do think so as well. All I was seeing as an option was like another brutal leftwing leader (killings, enforcement, etc.) and none of those characteristics you ever mentioned for Sloane is anti-communist, nor rightwing either.

Have you heard of the "non-communist left" before? Or the "non-fascist rightwing"? Yep, theory over practice.

[Riysa]

How many times do we have to repeat that it has to do with Sloane being a bootlicker?

[Ardoki]

How many times do we have to repeat that it has to do with Sloane being a bootlicker?

Sloane was centre-right. He was not a war-hawk, but a man who wanted peace instead of war - He knew that his country would be destroyed or at least severely damaged if war erupted, so he wanted to avoid it at all costs.

[Quirina]

How many times do we have to repeat that it has to do with Sloane being a bootlicker?

If Sloane is really "pro-independence", why the freaking heck will you just tell the world that being under Ardoki will be "better", just because of a lie?
If Sloane is really "anti-Ardokian", why the heck O'Brien is she doing during a 'top-secret' meeting that is purely anti-Ardokian delegation, just because of a lie?

If this is another OOC trick of you, I may have to call out. Only people who can't give options are the ones who have untold plans only for themselves to benefit.

Are we really making a storyline, or quite betraying each other "to win"?

[Ardoki]

I had a story and a plot outline - But then someone released fabricated information to the world which would have undermined and ruined the career of the leader of the pro-independence and anti-UASR movement.

I didn't know what to do, so I was forced to improvise - Which somewhat ruined my planned outline of the plot which has turned very clunky and unbelievable.

However some people have called for that incident to be ignored, I personally agree.

[Quirina]

I had a story and a plot outline - But then someone released fabricated information to the world which would have undermined and ruined the career of the leader of the pro-independence and anti-UASR movement.

I didn't know what to do, so I was forced to improvise - Which somewhat ruined my planned outline of the plot which has turned very clunky and unbelievable.

However some people have called for that incident to be ignored, I personally agree.

You had a story and plot outline, yes, but you know well that there are leaders around the RL world who were being victims of false information. Even celebrities were victims of death hoaxes, yet they still are alive and doing their things.

You are the RP OP, you should have Plans B to Z for anything that may come. Be assertive.

And since it's now part of the storyline, both the lie and the surrender of sovereignty, continue the storyline then HOW will Sloane deal with public opinion despite becoming a Citizen of UASR. Remember former presidents in world history or at least former statesmen being grilled still with investigations that are connected to them. And do remember, that there is always opposition, legal or not.

I made up an IC lie for the thrills, but didn't expected a huge change as this and had the outcome I am suspecting ICly.

[New Aeyariss]

I had a story and a plot outline - But then someone released fabricated information to the world which would have undermined and ruined the career of the leader of the pro-independence and anti-UASR movement.

I didn't know what to do, so I was forced to improvise - Which somewhat ruined my planned outline of the plot which has turned very clunky and unbelievable.

However some people have called for that incident to be ignored, I personally agree.

And how does IC event even concern OOC event? What happens in IC stays in IC. Stop bringing OOC to IC, please. Quirina is free to claim whatever he wishes about your characters - but IT DOES NOT MEAN WHAT HE CLAIMS IS TRUE IN ANY WAY.


You know, I should write article about Riona O`Brien claiming that she has syphilis...

[Riysa]

I had a story and a plot outline - But then someone released fabricated information to the world which would have undermined and ruined the career of the leader of the pro-independence and anti-UASR movement.

I didn't know what to do, so I was forced to improvise - Which somewhat ruined my planned outline of the plot which has turned very clunky and unbelievable.

However some people have called for that incident to be ignored, I personally agree.

And how does IC event even concern OOC event? What happens in IC stays in IC. Stop bringing OOC to IC, please. Quirina is free to claim whatever he wishes about your characters - but IT DOES NOT MEAN WHAT HE CLAIMS IS TRUE IN ANY WAY.


You know, I should write article about Riona O`Brien having a Syphilis...

Rabies*

100% mortality if its not stopped before it ascends up the CNS.

[New Aeyariss]

With no offence Ardoki, your lack of separation of OOC and IC is not on a good level.

You are free to RP as personification of your ideals, but at least keep IC matters in IC world, not bring OOC matters into IC world.

Thank you.

[Ardoki]

I had a story and a plot outline - But then someone released fabricated information to the world which would have undermined and ruined the career of the leader of the pro-independence and anti-UASR movement.

I didn't know what to do, so I was forced to improvise - Which somewhat ruined my planned outline of the plot which has turned very clunky and unbelievable.

However some people have called for that incident to be ignored, I personally agree.

And how does IC event even concern OOC event? What happens in IC stays in IC. Stop bringing OOC to IC, please. Quirina is free to claim whatever he wishes about your characters - but IT DOES NOT MEAN WHAT HE CLAIMS IS TRUE IN ANY WAY.


You know, I should write article about Riona O`Brien claiming that she has syphilis...

I did say that we should just forget about this.

However Quirinia keeps brining it up.

[Ardoki]

With no offence Ardoki, your lack of separation of OOC and IC is not on a good level.

You are free to RP as personification of your ideals, but at least keep IC matters in IC world, not bring OOC matters into IC world.

Thank you.

I didn't intend for Sloane to be a personification of my ideals, I don't think he was/is.

However I'm not going to talk about this any more as it is very distracting.

Do you still want to talk about your insurgent forces?

[Quirina]

I did say that we should just forget about this.

However Quirinia keeps brining it up.

*slow clap*

And I keep bringing it up because IT IS IN-CHARACTER, just as how war-related propaganda should work. The only thing that makes propaganda stronger is when it is proven or being seen as true or real thing. That's why capitalists or non-communists don't need posters to envision a capitalist society because it is reality.

[Ardoki]

I did say that we should just forget about this.

However Quirinia keeps brining it up.

*slow clap*

And I keep bringing it up because IT IS IN-CHARACTER, just as how war-related propaganda should work. The only thing that makes propaganda stronger is when it is proven or being seen as true or real thing. That's why capitalists or non-communists don't need posters to envision a capitalist society because it is reality.

Some members of the IFC have told me to ignore that incident.

I'm sure you purposely did that, to create OOC drama. There have been many instances where you have OOCly attacked me.

Please go away.

[New Aeyariss]

With no offence Ardoki, your lack of separation of OOC and IC is not on a good level.

You are free to RP as personification of your ideals, but at least keep IC matters in IC world, not bring OOC matters into IC world.

Thank you.

I didn't intend for Sloane to be a personification of my ideals, I don't think he was/is.

However I'm not going to talk about this any more as it is very distracting.

Do you still want to talk about your insurgent forces?

It will be pleasure to RP them if you promise me that you would not attempt changing the RP so you may win.

[New Aeyariss]

Some members of the IFC have told me to ignore that incident.

I'm sure you purposely did that, to create OOC drama. There have been many instances where you have OOCly attacked me.

Please go away.

And how is IC event related to OOC event?

No offence, what happens in game stays in game.

This is a game, and please - separate it from real world. It was aimed at Ardoki as nation, not at player.

Stop taking attacks on nation as attack on you - I myself remember you saying last year that Ardoki is part of yourself on UL thread.

[Ardoki]

I didn't intend for Sloane to be a personification of my ideals, I don't think he was/is.

However I'm not going to talk about this any more as it is very distracting.

Do you still want to talk about your insurgent forces?

It will be pleasure to RP them if you promise me that you would not attempt changing the RP so you may win.

Yes.

That is why we are planning it now. So we all know what the situation is exactly, and how the story will basically develop (just a general outline, details not really needed).

Map

As before, the UASR took control of the two islands of Ballivor and Moy approximately one month before the diplomatic conference was called.
Moy is almost uninhabited (except for a dozen or so villages) and of no strategic value. Not sure if I'll still have troops stationed there, but will probably not.
Ballivor has a population of at least 5 million, it has a big tourism industry (located on the side facing Straffan Bay) ans the other side of the island faces the offshore oil fields now under UASR control. It is of a lot of strategic value, and is quite urbanised (the four cities on the map account for almost all of the population).

[Ardoki]

Some members of the IFC have told me to ignore that incident.

I'm sure you purposely did that, to create OOC drama. There have been many instances where you have OOCly attacked me.

Please go away.

And how is IC event related to OOC event?

No offence, what happens in game stays in game.

This is a game, and please - separate it from real world. It was aimed at Ardoki as nation, not at player.

Stop taking attacks on nation as attack on you - I myself remember you saying last year that Ardoki is part of yourself on UL thread.

I don't really consider him attacking my country. It is just that I have had bad experiences with him in the past, and I'm probably irrationally paranoid and think he is trying to undermine me (probably he isn't though, but I don't really know).

[Riysa]

*slow clap*

And I keep bringing it up because IT IS IN-CHARACTER, just as how war-related propaganda should work. The only thing that makes propaganda stronger is when it is proven or being seen as true or real thing. That's why capitalists or non-communists don't need posters to envision a capitalist society because it is reality.

Some members of the IFC have told me to ignore that incident.

I'm sure you purposely did that, to create OOC drama. There have been many instances where you have OOCly attacked me.

Please go away.

Ardoki, you're the only one creating OOC drama.

Stop taking everything personally. We don't take IC statements personally because they're in-character; we've had decent OOC relationships with many of our IC enemies, specifically because they're aimed at our nation and not ourselves.

Qui didn't do anything wrong OOCly. It may have been weird to start making these accusations out loud ICly, but that's how propaganda works. Deal with it like the mature 18 year old you're supposed to be - responding ICly. You can't sling mud at people in their own threads and expect to remain unsullied.

With no offence Ardoki, your lack of separation of OOC and IC is not on a good level.

You are free to RP as personification of your ideals, but at least keep IC matters in IC world, not bring OOC matters into IC world.

Thank you.

I didn't intend for Sloane to be a personification of my ideals, I don't think he was/is.

Whatever the case may be, this is the problem with RPing as two opposing sides - there's going to be an inherent metagame involved which is biased towards the OP's favorite. It probably would have been better had someone from SACTO or the IFC taken control of Sloane.

[New Aeyariss]

I don't really consider him attacking my country. It is just that I have had bad experiences with him in the past, and I'm probably irrationally paranoid and think he is trying to undermine me (probably he isn't though, but I don't really know).

And how is he trying to do so?

So far he only said words ICly.

[Ardoki]

-Snip-

Perhaps it might be best t stop talking about this?

That being said I am probably biased, paranoid and acting irrationally on account of previous OOC difficulties with a certain individual.

I don't really consider him attacking my country. It is just that I have had bad experiences with him in the past, and I'm probably irrationally paranoid and think he is trying to undermine me (probably he isn't though, but I don't really know).

And how is he trying to do so?

So far he only said words ICly.

He has acted terribly towards me OOCly before. I originally didn't want him involved, but I didn't want to say no and devoid the opposition of a player.

I thought he would be able to behave himself, perhaps he was/is. However I probably took his IC actions the wrong way, I initially thought it was a pre-meditated attempt to continue his OOC hostility in the IC-sphere. I could be wrong though.