Ardokian RP Planning Tread [OOC | Semi-Open | PT/MT/PMT?]

[Ardoki]

December.

Fuk.

That is why I started with diplomacy, and wanted to have a little insurgency. (I originally planned this with Krdjer, and he said that was fine)

However since United States Of Devonta does not want that - We'll just have to wait until December.

[New Carloso]

Fuk.

That is why I started with diplomacy, and wanted to have a little insurgency. (I originally planned this with Krdjer, and he said that was fine)

However since United States Of Devonta does not want that - We'll just have to wait until December.

Devonta didn't anything about wanting to invade you or not and isn't really a belligrent force in this quasi-war but k.

[United States of Conner]

I knew that.

But when are your exams finished exactly?

December.

What unholy brand of exam is that?

[New Aeyariss]

Advantages of not having to go to school any more .

[Ardoki]

December.

What unholy brand of exam is that?

Final exams of high school.

Advantages of not having to go to school any more .

Yes, it is painful. Though university will be worse, though at least it would be about more interesting subjects.

[Quirina]

From Sloane to nukes... Damn perfect. Still calm about it.

Anyways, here are my main points:
1) The diplomat San Sebastian released the Sloane Report to attempt to infringe the credibility of Thuasinisdun's NPT and Raghall Sloane in opposing Ardoki. It's like testing Taiwan if it is really against China because of the geopolitical proximity of Ardoki and Thuasinisdun.
2) I am in no position to manipulate the RP itself. Inyur and Riysa were right. The report was supposed to be an IC bluff, but to my surprise, you took my propaganda, the report itself, as a truth you want to bear. It's like blaming the mailman for his bank debts because he sent a credit card balance statement to a broke guy.
3) Why are you surprised about the recordings? Sebastian is a diplomat and mentions his agency ROSHAN, then he is certainly an intelligence envoy, and not a diplomat you can kick at a dark pit and kill. Also, this is the mobile phone age, where people record everything, from pooping dogs to failed nuclear missiles in mid-air.
4) Is it my fault that you took the lie, or at least a thought out of nowhere, as a truth? It's like I told you you're wearing a black shirt, despite wearing white shirt, and say, "Yeah it's a black shirt."
5) Not a single sensible person in this world could ever be bent easily by a 10-page paper stating he is not fit to rule a country and accused of being a spy. If my president would be accused of that, I could have just shrugged it off and counter-detailed it, or accepted it as a joke, or.. there are a lot of ways actually.. I was really expecting you to shrug it off completely , but:
- you were, since the beginning of the negotiations, as Thuasinisdun, insulting people with harsh rhetoric like what you always do as Ardoki, so in my IC POV, I am seeing Ardoki in another garment, and not another person as Thuasinisdun.
- you allowed an Ardokian in an anti-Ardokian negotiations, which you stated yourself that Thuasinisdun is anti-Ardokian, then what the heck is O'Brien doing there in the first place?
- you permitted the Thuasinisdun government to buy Ardoki-made polling machine. This, I consider, is a large suspected mark of espionage and conspiracy in play, in IC perspective.
- the reaction of Sloane after being slightly accused by a foreigner, whom you can claim have no idea what he is talking about, or any other way to debunk him, became a fuel and motivation as to why my lie gains more strength.
- the attempt to arrest a foreign official because of allegedly falsification of documents is clearly against any international standard. He can be requested to leave and never given any chance to speak, but calling guards to take him out and detain him in your own country while an international meeting is going on clearly shows the Thuasinisdun's Sloane of full brashness and arrogance despite calling help from two major alliances. A heck of an irony for me, and a large negative reputation toyou to host international meetings. In reality, if Thuas was a real country, Olympic Committee, Miss Universe, and even a regional summit will never allow Thuasinisdun to host any international even after that. You shattered an international reputation of a nation as Thuas while in its infancy or young age.
- Is nuclear war really necessary for some islands? Stop making this a big deal and continue the storyline as it is. I was clearly expecting to have Sloane stand up even stronger being anti-Ardokian and pro-independence despite criticism, yet you thwarted it to your own OOC goal: to win. It's clear obvious, and you can't deny it. Never I heard or read from you that you wanted a good storyline, nor even felt so even though mentioned it. You were expecting that SACTO and IFC cannot take Ardoki down and have Ardoki take all the chips. I had shrugged off a defeat once, and that I still consider a remarkable feat.

You always deem yourself perfect. Remember that the shiniest of gold even loses its glamour. There were already pre-agreed terms before the RP, thus why I went in late to make sure it will go as planned, but you made a big deal in any mistake, small or big, that you see far from your plans and disregard ours. You didn't expected all this to happened? I know you'll say yes, because you have a plan at the back of your mind you are not willing to share because simply, you hate the impression of hoarding victories and no losses and have the credibility to earn the title "Two-Alliance Beater". You can deny, yes, but that's for the safe play you can ploy down under.

If I were Sloane, I will amass a much stronger message, stronger than the Sloane report and unite the islands to repel Ardoki and prove Sloane is not what he is suspected to be. The best antidote to rumor is action. The Report was supposed to mark a suspicion to Sloane, as stated earlier, and the report is to challenge Sloane to commit to his ideals, yet you made him bent to your advantage in a snap.

This ain't Quirage yet. You're quite lucky I just came from a great nightlife and a bright mood so formidable, really.

[Ardoki]

If Sloane is going back to normal, he will become more militant, as SACTO want.

In his effort to fight Communism: He will shut-down all universities and execute the university teachers, ban all trade unions and execute the trade union leaders, prohibit any speech/behaviour/expression that is even slightly left-wing or doesn't support his regime (punishable by execution). He will also exterminate all the religious people, as well as the heterosexuals and homosexuals.

So he will be pretty right-wing and tyrannical.

[Torrumbarry]

If Sloane is going back to normal, he will become more militant, as SACTO want.

In his effort to fight Communism: He will shut-down all universities and execute the university teachers, ban all trade unions and execute the trade union leaders, prohibit any speech/behaviour/expression that is even slightly left-wing or doesn't support his regime (punishable by execution). He will also exterminate all the religious people, as well as the heterosexuals and homosexuals.

So he will be pretty right-wing and tyrannical.

What the actual fuck?

This is so ridiculous and excessive. Ardoki, this isn't even funny. Prosecutions, fine; but the executions? How does he root out communism by killing religious people, or by killing basically everyone in the archipelago (heterosexuals and homosexuals)?

This is you just being a bad sport and creating ridiculous justifications for your invasion.

Now if the UASR's agents actually did the dirty work and blamed it on Sloane, I would understand...

[Ardoki]

If Sloane is going back to normal, he will become more militant, as SACTO want.

In his effort to fight Communism: He will shut-down all universities and execute the university teachers, ban all trade unions and execute the trade union leaders, prohibit any speech/behaviour/expression that is even slightly left-wing or doesn't support his regime (punishable by execution). He will also exterminate all the religious people, as well as the heterosexuals and homosexuals.

So he will be pretty right-wing and tyrannical.

What the actual fuck?

This is so ridiculous and excessive. Ardoki, this isn't even funny. Prosecutions, fine; but the executions? How does he root out communism by killing religious people, or by killing basically everyone in the archipelago (heterosexuals and homosexuals)?

This is you just being a bad sport and creating ridiculous justifications for your invasion.

Now if the UASR's agents actually did the dirty work and blamed it on Sloane, I would understand...

Okay. Your objections are noted.

I was trying to make him far-right, as according to the SACTO centre-right is communist.

We could try to have a or several military leader/s who hold those views?

[Torrumbarry]

What the actual fuck?

This is so ridiculous and excessive. Ardoki, this isn't even funny. Prosecutions, fine; but the executions? How does he root out communism by killing religious people, or by killing basically everyone in the archipelago (heterosexuals and homosexuals)?

This is you just being a bad sport and creating ridiculous justifications for your invasion.

Now if the UASR's agents actually did the dirty work and blamed it on Sloane, I would understand...

Okay. Your objections are noted.

I was trying to make him far-right, as according to the SACTO centre-right is communist.

We could try to have a or several military leader/s who hold those views?

If the military leaders were hardliners I would understand, but if someone as placid as Sloane suddenly turns into a raving anti-commie lunatic at the flick of switch it just seems wrong.

I personally think that's a clever compromise, though.

[Ardoki]

Okay. Your objections are noted.

I was trying to make him far-right, as according to the SACTO centre-right is communist.

We could try to have a or several military leader/s who hold those views?

If the military leaders were hardliners I would understand, but if someone as placid as Sloane suddenly turns into a raving anti-commie lunatic at the flick of switch it just seems wrong.

I personally think that's a clever compromise, though.

I originally had Sloane as centre-right. However SACTO said that he acted like a communist.

So I assumed making him far-right, would get their support for him.

[Torrumbarry]

If the military leaders were hardliners I would understand, but if someone as placid as Sloane suddenly turns into a raving anti-commie lunatic at the flick of switch it just seems wrong.

I personally think that's a clever compromise, though.

I originally had Sloane as centre-right. However SACTO said that he acted like a communist.

So I assumed making him far-right, would get their support for him.

It's not your fault, but it was kinda hard to tell Sloane political ideology from the limited dialogue that we had. It's not because he's centre-right that SACTO despise him, it's because he kinda comes of as a bootlicker to O'Brien...

[Quirina]

If Sloane is going back to normal, he will become more militant, as SACTO want.

In his effort to fight Communism: He will shut-down all universities and execute the university teachers, ban all trade unions and execute the trade union leaders, prohibit any speech/behaviour/expression that is even slightly left-wing or doesn't support his regime (punishable by execution). He will also exterminate all the religious people, as well as the heterosexuals and homosexuals.

So he will be pretty right-wing and tyrannical.

In my case, Sloane should have become more appropriate in dealing with foreign delegations, so that other nations had gave him and his country a different impression. And SACTO does not want Sloane to be militant. Only Leftists love being militant.

Shutting down universities would only mean more leftist support, and executing teachers would mean they are speaking the real thing. Banning trade unions and executing them will have Sloane lose support from the working class in Thuas. Prohibiting opposition and punish them by killing them is tyrannical but never right-wing, and will lose the support of politically-minded people. Executing religious people and hetero-/homo-sexuals so goes the same.

Imagine the number of social sectors that will go against Sloane if you did that: The working class, the students, the teachers, the clergy and the Church, and ordinary people. That is already enough to oust a national leader out of his seat and replace him with another more fitting person. And that's not normally how a rightwing leader does. Best example are US presidents. Did they have openly and state-mandated executed people who are opposed the governments? Heck, freaking no, because one vanguard duty of the rightwing is to protect freedom (be it speech, living, etc.) the Left cannot have.

[United States of Conner]

If Sloane is going back to normal, he will become more militant, as SACTO want.

In his effort to fight Communism: He will shut-down all universities and execute the university teachers, ban all trade unions and execute the trade union leaders, prohibit any speech/behaviour/expression that is even slightly left-wing or doesn't support his regime (punishable by execution). He will also exterminate all the religious people, as well as the heterosexuals and homosexuals.

So he will be pretty right-wing and tyrannical.

Do you even understand what SACTO wants?

If the military leaders were hardliners I would understand, but if someone as placid as Sloane suddenly turns into a raving anti-commie lunatic at the flick of switch it just seems wrong.

I personally think that's a clever compromise, though.

I originally had Sloane as centre-right. However SACTO said that he acted like a communist.

So I assumed making him far-right, would get their support for him.

I'm center-right and a member of SACTO. The problem, as noted earlier, was all the boot-licking.

[Flardania]

If Sloane is going back to normal, he will become more militant, as SACTO want.

In his effort to fight Communism: He will shut-down all universities and execute the university teachers, ban all trade unions and execute the trade union leaders, prohibit any speech/behaviour/expression that is even slightly left-wing or doesn't support his regime (punishable by execution). He will also exterminate all the religious people, as well as the heterosexuals and homosexuals.

So he will be pretty right-wing and tyrannical.

Do you even understand what SACTO wants?

I originally had Sloane as centre-right. However SACTO said that he acted like a communist.

So I assumed making him far-right, would get their support for him.

I'm center-right and a member of SACTO. The problem, as noted earlier, was all the boot-licking.

^This, BY God I'm Center-Leaning Left Damn it CENTER- LEANING LEFT and a member of SACTO. It's the damn boot-licking and the blurring of lines.

[Inyourfaceistan]

If Sloane is going back to normal, he will become more militant, as SACTO want.

In his effort to fight Communism: He will shut-down all universities and execute the university teachers, ban all trade unions and execute the trade union leaders, prohibit any speech/behaviour/expression that is even slightly left-wing or doesn't support his regime (punishable by execution). He will also exterminate all the religious people, as well as the heterosexuals and homosexuals.

So he will be pretty right-wing and tyrannical.

Maybe it would be better if you let somebody else RP if you actually mean him to be any decent opposition and not playing to your agenda one way or the other...

[New Aeyariss]

Only banning of trade unions makes sense out of those...

Considering how religious Nihon is, if he does so he looses all support - majority of SACTO command are very religious nations.

[Ardoki]

Only banning of trade unions makes sense out of those...

Considering how religious Nihon is, if he does so he looses all support - majority of SACTO command are very religious nations.

Also universities tend to be very left-wing places.

He wouldn't kill the religious and monosexual people then, just oppress, repress and persecute them?

[Organized States]

Only banning of trade unions makes sense out of those...

Considering how religious Nihon is, if he does so he looses all support - majority of SACTO command are very religious nations.

Also universities tend to be very left-wing places.

He wouldn't kill the religious and monosexual people then, just oppress, repress and persecute them?

*cough* Dartmouth, Oral Roberts, Grand Canyon, Baylor *cough*

[United States of Conner]

Only banning of trade unions makes sense out of those...

Considering how religious Nihon is, if he does so he looses all support - majority of SACTO command are very religious nations.

Also universities tend to be very left-wing places.

He wouldn't kill the religious and monosexual people then, just oppress, repress and persecute them?

I see no reason why he would interfere in religion or mono sexuality.

It's like you're trying to parody us.

[Ardoki]

Also universities tend to be very left-wing places.

He wouldn't kill the religious and monosexual people then, just oppress, repress and persecute them?

I see no reason why he would interfere in religion or mono sexuality.

It's like you're trying to parody us.

How?

If he isn't far-right - You guys won't accept him.

Otherwise it would turn into a three-way conflict (everyone hostile to each other).


However perhaps we should just talk about the insurgency now?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Also universities tend to be very left-wing places.

He wouldn't kill the religious and monosexual people then, just oppress, repress and persecute them?

I see no reason why he would interfere in religion or mono sexuality.

It's like you're trying to parody us.

He's trying to play the "no option" card.

It's where we either agree to his thing or else the only other logical answer is something crazy, insane and illogical.
It's actually a great tactic for spoofing negations...

[United States of Conner]

I see no reason why he would interfere in religion or mono sexuality.

It's like you're trying to parody us.

How?

If he isn't far-right - You guys won't accept him.

Otherwise it would turn into a three-way conflict (everyone hostile to each other).


However perhaps we should just talk about the insurgency now?

A) we would totally accept him. We aren't a right-wing or fascist alliance, we're an anti-communist alliance.
B) I still fail to see how killing religious people or monosexuals makes him a far-right leader. It's like you don't actually know what right-wing means.

I see no reason why he would interfere in religion or mono sexuality.

It's like you're trying to parody us.

He's trying to play the "no option" card.

It's where we either agree to his thing or else the only other logical answer is something crazy, insane and illogical.
It's actually a great tactic for spoofing negations...

I'm starting to get that feeling.

[Ardoki]

How?

If he isn't far-right - You guys won't accept him.

Otherwise it would turn into a three-way conflict (everyone hostile to each other).


However perhaps we should just talk about the insurgency now?

A) we would totally accept him. We aren't a right-wing or fascist alliance, we're an anti-communist alliance.
B) I still fail to see how killing religious people or monosexuals makes him a far-right leader. It's like you don't actually know what right-wing means.

I'll leave Sloane out of the RP from now then. He won't be useful again until later.

Is the IFC anti-communist? I thought it would support any country which supported democracy and civil rights?

[Inyourfaceistan]

If he isn't far-right - You guys won't accept him.

1) What your advocating doesn't sound very "far-right". It hardly sounds like Reagan, Thatcher or Uribe; Pinochet maybe but even Pinochet wasn't that extreme. It honestly sounds like Soviet/Mao/N.Korea shit...

2) He doesn't even need to be "far-right"; so much as "not an ass-kissing pansy who can't stand his ground except against the guys trying to help him".
Shoot, he could honestly be left-wing and still have reason to stand his ground against Ardokian imperialism...