Ardokian RP Planning Tread [OOC | Semi-Open | PT/MT/PMT?]

[New Aeyariss]

3) Roll with it and RP the effects of Sloane being a weak, luke-warn puppet

As I stated before military overthrowing Solane could be perfect reason for Ardoki to invade.

[Ardoki]

Sloane was the most anti-UASR (he wasn't anti-Ardokian as he was an Ardokian himself) politician. He was the most anti-UASR they got, before calling for war (which would be economic and literal suicide).

He was in no way anti-Ardoki UASR by any stretch of the imagination...

I'm not the only one here that can see that.

He understood that in order to ensure peace and prosperity for his people, he would have to make concessions.

He was not some war-warmongering militant, such as the SACTO, he wanted to avoid war.

[Ardoki]

Wow, this exploded while I was gone...

Okay, why are you guys making such a big deal out of what Qui did? He was making stuff up on the spot to get a reaction from everyone, just because he said it doesn't mean its true. The only person that has to be blamed for this mess is, quite frankly, Ardoki, who reacted badly OOCly to an IC statement that had no basis behind it.

Ardoki, I think the reason why he did it was because Sloane's portrayal was pretty slavish, honestly. Even if he wasn't a spy, he seemed to cave in pretty quickly, while a leader determined to keep an enemy off of his/her soil would've rallied behind the nations supporting him/her and told O'Brien off.

Now, when we got into this RP, we came in first with the idea that we were going to invade the mainland, then that got changed to islands that were being occupied by Ardoki. We're still fine with the island idea, but I'm very sure we decided on a majority support for independence and anti-Ardoki, with some insurgency going on. Changing it around is a tasteless move, and moving it any closer that 1,000 km gives Ardoki even more of an advantage than he already has. Plus, it means that we're essentially bound to striking the mainland, which I understand he wants to avoid at all costs.

Did I miss anything here?

Cuscy will control the resistance in the archipelago.

They will be anti-Communist and pro-IFC (though anti-SACTO on account of your opposition to their rights).

[Ardoki]

3) Roll with it and RP the effects of Sloane being a weak, luke-warn puppet

As I stated before military overthrowing Solane could be perfect reason for Ardoki to invade.

We could have a military coup.

However the people would oppose that strongly.

[New Aeyariss]

He understood that in order to ensure peace and prosperity for his people, he would have to make concessions.

He was not some war-warmongering militant, such as the SACTO, he wanted to avoid war.

Prior to negotiations Ardokians rolled on two major islands and seized them.

This was declaration of war by all international standards, as well as invasion of sovereign territory.

Realistic option, he would have been pressured by the public to fight back. Because how does it matter if you want war or not when your enemy is at your soil?

[Ardoki]

He understood that in order to ensure peace and prosperity for his people, he would have to make concessions.

He was not some war-warmongering militant, such as the SACTO, he wanted to avoid war.

Prior to negotiations Ardokians rolled on two major islands and seized them.

This was declaration of war by all international standards, as well as invasion of sovereign territory.

Realistic option, he would have been pressured by the public to fight back. Because how does it matter if you want war or not when your enemy is at your soil?

If he had fought back - He would have lost the war.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Wow, this exploded while I was gone...

Okay, why are you guys making such a big deal out of what Qui did? He was making stuff up on the spot to get a reaction from everyone, just because he said it doesn't mean its true. The only person that has to be blamed for this mess is, quite frankly, Ardoki, who reacted badly OOCly to an IC statement that had no basis behind it.

^This is what I have already said

Ardoki, I think the reason why he did it was because Sloane's portrayal was pretty slavish, honestly. Even if he wasn't a spy, he seemed to cave in pretty quickly, while a leader determined to keep an enemy off of his/her soil would've rallied behind the nations supporting him/her and told O'Brien off.

^This again

[Riysa]

He was in no way anti-Ardoki UASR by any stretch of the imagination...

I'm not the only one here that can see that.

He understood that in order to ensure peace and prosperity for his people, he would have to make concessions.

He was not some war-warmongering militant, such as the SACTO, he wanted to avoid war.

I'm pretty sure you know who Neville Chamberlain is, right? He's still one of the most hated PMs of the UK, which is nothing compared to the hate he got during WW2. People literally jumped behind Churchill and war, despite the odds being against them and Churchill himself being certain at times that they were going to lose.

I have no problem with Sloane being weak, we have a problem with him being touted as the most pro-independence candidate there is, because that is most certainly not true.

EDIT: I don't think I mentioned that all of this went down before the US officially entered the war, and the early years of the Battle of the Atlantic were lopsided in favor of the Nazis.

Wow, this exploded while I was gone...

Okay, why are you guys making such a big deal out of what Qui did? He was making stuff up on the spot to get a reaction from everyone, just because he said it doesn't mean its true. The only person that has to be blamed for this mess is, quite frankly, Ardoki, who reacted badly OOCly to an IC statement that had no basis behind it.

Ardoki, I think the reason why he did it was because Sloane's portrayal was pretty slavish, honestly. Even if he wasn't a spy, he seemed to cave in pretty quickly, while a leader determined to keep an enemy off of his/her soil would've rallied behind the nations supporting him/her and told O'Brien off.

Now, when we got into this RP, we came in first with the idea that we were going to invade the mainland, then that got changed to islands that were being occupied by Ardoki. We're still fine with the island idea, but I'm very sure we decided on a majority support for independence and anti-Ardoki, with some insurgency going on. Changing it around is a tasteless move, and moving it any closer that 1,000 km gives Ardoki even more of an advantage than he already has. Plus, it means that we're essentially bound to striking the mainland, which I understand he wants to avoid at all costs.

Did I miss anything here?

Cuscy will control the resistance in the archipelago.

They will be anti-Communist and pro-IFC (though anti-SACTO on account of your opposition to their rights).

That wasn't one of my questions.

Either way, what kind of rights are we opposing? I doubt they'd be anti-SACTO, realistically speaking, even if they disagreed with us.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Prior to negotiations Ardokians rolled on two major islands and seized them.

This was declaration of war by all international standards, as well as invasion of sovereign territory.

Realistic option, he would have been pressured by the public to fight back. Because how does it matter if you want war or not when your enemy is at your soil?

If he had fought back - He would have lost the war.

But now he has two multinational alliances ready to support him, why would he continue to bend over and kiss O'Brian's ass?

[New Aeyariss]

If he had fought back - He would have lost the war.

With several SACTO and IFC armies behind him and his army having all advantage as defenders and hard terrain?

Doubt that he will loose.

[New Roma Republic]

Sorry, just going to bump in here with another update:

New Roman Logistical Support
1 x Fortuna Class Fast Combat Support Ship
1 x Mercy Class Hospital Ship
2 x D'deridex Class Minesweeper
1 x Daedalus Class Submarine Tender
1 x Caelsu Class Amphibious Command Ship
2 x Aether Class Amphibious Transport Dock
1 x Monge Class Missile Range Instrumentation Ship
2 x Rhine Class Destroyer
1 x Florence Class Frigate
Silent Service Deployment
2 x Klingon Class Attack Submarine
2 x Kraken Class Guided Missile Sub
2 x Mason Class Guided Missile Sub

[Ardoki]

If he had fought back - He would have lost the war.

But now he has two multinational alliances ready to support him, why would he continue to bend over and kiss O'Brian's ass?

Those alliances wouldn't matter if what is left of his country is a giant nuclear crater.

[Riysa]

But now he has two multinational alliances ready to support him, why would he continue to bend over and kiss O'Brian's ass?

Those alliances wouldn't matter if what is left of his country is a giant nuclear crater.

And why would he get nuked if the nuclear arsenals of SACTO and the IFC were pointing at Ardoki?

[Ardoki]

Cuscy will control the resistance in the archipelago.

They will be anti-Communist and pro-IFC (though anti-SACTO on account of your opposition to their rights).

That wasn't one of my questions.

Either way, what kind of rights are we opposing? I doubt they'd be anti-SACTO, realistically speaking, even if they disagreed with us.

Persecution/oppression/repression of LGBTQ+ people, opposition to democracy, fascism/nazism, etcetera.

[New Aeyariss]

Those alliances wouldn't matter if what is left of his country is a giant nuclear crater.

They would.

Because the moment when first mean to make giant nuclear crater would lift off from silo, Ardoki would itself turn into giant nuclear crater.

Considering how many means to turn Ardoki into uninhabited desert SACTO / IFC have, and how many Ardoki has, there is no way this can turn well for Ardoki.

[Ardoki]

Those alliances wouldn't matter if what is left of his country is a giant nuclear crater.

They would.

Because the moment when first mean to make giant nuclear crater would lift off from silo, Ardoki would itself turn into giant nuclear crater.

Considering how many means to turn Ardoki into uninhabited desert SACTO / IFC have, and how many Ardoki has, there is no way this can turn well for Ardoki.

You would all be destroyed as well.

Would you really sacrifice your countries, just for a few islands?

[New Carloso]

But now he has two multinational alliances ready to support him, why would he continue to bend over and kiss O'Brian's ass?

Those alliances wouldn't matter if what is left of his country is a giant nuclear crater.

Eh

There won't be nukes. At least, I hope there won't be.

[Riysa]

They would.

Because the moment when first mean to make giant nuclear crater would lift off from silo, Ardoki would itself turn into giant nuclear crater.

Considering how many means to turn Ardoki into uninhabited desert SACTO / IFC have, and how many Ardoki has, there is no way this can turn well for Ardoki.

You would all be destroyed as well.

Would you really sacrifice your countries, just for a few islands?

I'm pretty sure we would get off better than you would. We know how to stop your nukes, but I don't think you know how to stop ours.

If you want to try it, we're more than willing.

Though, resorting to nukes is silly and childish. What's wrong Ardoki, I thought you wanted to prove yourself?

[Inyourfaceistan]

They would.

Because the moment when first mean to make giant nuclear crater would lift off from silo, Ardoki would itself turn into giant nuclear crater.

Considering how many means to turn Ardoki into uninhabited desert SACTO / IFC have, and how many Ardoki has, there is no way this can turn well for Ardoki.

You would all be destroyed as well.

Would you really sacrifice your countries, just for a few islands?

Would you really sacrifice your country, just for a few islands?

[Ardoki]

You would all be destroyed as well.

Would you really sacrifice your countries, just for a few islands?

I'm pretty sure we would get off better than you would. We know how to stop your nukes, but I don't think you know how to stop ours.

If you want to try it, we're more than willing.

Though, resorting to nukes is silly and childish. What's wrong Ardoki, I thought you wanted to prove yourself?

If there is a nuclear war, you wouldn't be able to save your country (of course I wouldn't be able to save mine either).

[Organized States]

I'm pretty sure we would get off better than you would. We know how to stop your nukes, but I don't think you know how to stop ours.

If you want to try it, we're more than willing.

Though, resorting to nukes is silly and childish. What's wrong Ardoki, I thought you wanted to prove yourself?

If there is a nuclear war, you wouldn't be able to save your country (of course I wouldn't be able to save mine either).

There are ways.

[Inyourfaceistan]

I'm pretty sure we would get off better than you would. We know how to stop your nukes, but I don't think you know how to stop ours.

If you want to try it, we're more than willing.

Though, resorting to nukes is silly and childish. What's wrong Ardoki, I thought you wanted to prove yourself?

If there is a nuclear war, you wouldn't be able to save your country (of course I wouldn't be able to save mine either).

Then why would you start a nuclear war?

[Riysa]

I'm pretty sure we would get off better than you would. We know how to stop your nukes, but I don't think you know how to stop ours.

If you want to try it, we're more than willing.

Though, resorting to nukes is silly and childish. What's wrong Ardoki, I thought you wanted to prove yourself?

If there is a nuclear war, you wouldn't be able to save your country (of course I wouldn't be able to save mine either).

You sure about that?

I'm not talking about SDI, either. We can definitely defend ourselves from nukes. Hell, I believe Inyur escalated to nuclear warfare before, but the OP retconned the whole situation later on.

[New Aeyariss]

You would all be destroyed as well.

Would you really sacrifice your countries, just for a few islands?

And would you sacrifice Ardoki for few islands? I add again, I have several ABMs in which I have been pouring a lot of money (those ABMs were banned by treaties IRL - but why should I be concerned about agreements between USA and USSR?) and probably far bigger CBRN arsenal than you have.

Launch the nukes and Ardoki will perish. I will take huge beating, maybe considerable part of my population and at all economy- but they will live.

+ not to mention that you have to disperse your nukes among several counties - an IRL China can not strike South America with ICBM. While this does not means you can not hit me with nuke, it means that you have several problems with how to strike...

[New Roma Republic]

If there is a nuclear war, you wouldn't be able to save your country (of course I wouldn't be able to save mine either).

There are ways.

#SDI

But seriously, who would go nuclear over a few islands. It just doesn't make sense!